VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.2B Final] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[Stan5851]

when Kane was getting fucked by a heated strap-on.

Looks like the sub route is even more fucked up than I could have imagined.

 

[CollectorTivan]

I play everything so I'm trying to make sure details don't mix in my head, but I don't think so. He's been told he's very important which Sub-Kane finds funny considering his position. He was told Olivia wasn't his sister and Phoebe told him that he did have a sister outside of Olivia without saying who. Dominique almost let it slip who his Dad was when Kane was getting fucked by a heated strap-on but she stopped herself.

Silver might know for sure if I missed something.

Was Dominique the one doing it or instructed it to be done that way? Just curious because I thought she was a lot better than her sisters in that regard.

 

[akki_sky]

Looks like the sub route is even more fucked up than I could have imagined.

Yes. I was going to play sub path once by fast forwarding scenes to know about the story and characters more. I was curious about what Elena told callista on bridge, what veronica told callista, what kiyomi and otto told cole, what cynthia and nadia talk with mc, also recently nadia and olivia scene was posted here so what else they talked and if cynthia also talked with olivia which did not happened in dom path.

But sub path looks way more dark evil and fucked up, So no. I'm never going in that direction.

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

Yes. I was going to play sub path once by fast forwarding scenes to know about the story and characters more. I was curious about what Elena told callista on bridge, what veronica told callista, what kiyomi and otto told cole, what cynthia and nadia talk with mc, also recently nadia and olivia scene was posted here so what else they talked and if cynthia also talked with olivia which did not happened in dom path.

But sub path looks way more dark evil and fucked up, So no. I'm never going in that direction.

The scene I described was K1 if I remember right.(Maybe k2 could land on it. Don't remember) Which is the route where you fucked up so bad on points you risk getting a gameover. A normal sub route like K4 is humiliating but not dark and gruesome.

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

Was Dominique the one doing it or instructed it to be done that way? Just curious because I thought she was a lot better than her sisters in that regard.

If I remember right I think it was Juliette doing it with Dominique getting eaten out by Mercy and enjoying the show.

And no, Dominique is pretty evil too, she just hides it unless an evil Kane Dom does certain things for her to reveal it. Or I suppose if a Sub fucks up enough.

 

[Esti]

A normal sub route like K4

Can you escape sub route and into the dom route? Or what happens if you do everything right?

 

[Stan5851]

Can you escape sub route and into the dom route? Or what happens if you do everything right?

If by “right” you mean the route that will get your Kane to the very top and become the main guy (Z5) in this company, then you should look at the Dom route (K5+). There is no way back from the Sub route, you will remain a slave.

 

[Maviarab]

Can you escape sub route and into the dom route? Or what happens if you do everything right?

If by “right” you mean the route that will get your Kane to the very top and become the main guy (Z5) in this company, then you should look at the Dom route (K5+). There is no way back from the Sub route, you will remain a slave.

If start at K4 you have one opportunity to escape up to K5/6 at the first evaluation.

 

[Stan5851]

If start at K4 you have one opportunity to escape up to K5/6 at the first evaluation.

This is the first I've heard of it. But I take it that's a difficult outcome to achieve?

 

[Maviarab]

This is the first I've heard of it. But I take it that's a difficult outcome to achieve?

Just don't screw up lol.

This path does however put you on the Alessa SS route though.

 

[akki_sky]

If start at K4 you have one opportunity to escape up to K5/6 at the first evaluation.

Yes, you can do that. you will be K5 after first evaluation. Alessandra will ask you about becoming secret sub, reject her. Then after second evaluation you will be K7. You will not get Svetlana instead Taylor will give kane blowjob. You will miss Alessandra / Celest harem path.

You will not able to go beyond K10 after episode 8 so no Z5. That means kane will not become solo Leader of any faction. There could be joint leader option with one of the karlsson but we don't know requirement of that yet.

 

[akki_sky]

Just don't screw up lol.

This path does however put you on the Alessa SS route though.

You can reject her though and play rest same as dom path.

 

[Stan5851]

Just don't screw up lol.

This path does however put you on the Alessa SS route though.

Yes, I remember now, I read something about that in the WT. But it was overlaid with information from Silver (and you?) about all sorts of tricky routes SubK5 or TrueSubK5 (I may be wrong in the wording), so based on that I was sure that it was impossible to go from subK4 to DomK5 by definition, but it was possible to go from subK4 to some TrueSub5 route. As you know, I'm not interested in the sub route, so I just took this information as a given.

Well, that's pretty funny. The only question is which sub player would prefer such a subK4- domK5 transition, knowingly putting their newly minted Dom Kane at a disadvantage compared to a full-fledged Dom Kane who started his journey in JF with a K6 rank.

 

[Maviarab]

Talk only about observations, theories and questions we might have after the updates.

Yes, you can do that. you will be K5 after first evaluation. Alessandra will ask you about becoming secret sub, reject her. Then after second evaluation you will be K7. You will not get Svetlana instead Taylor will give kane blowjob. You will miss Alessandra / Celest harem path.

You will not able to go beyond K10 after episode 8 so no Z5. That means kane will not become solo Leader of any faction. There could be joint leader option with one of the karlsson but we don't know requirement of that yet.

You can reject her though and play rest same as dom path.

You do realise who you're talking with right? I'm not some noob hehe.

If you reject her you will stay at K5 btw until the last evaluation (throne room) where yes you can reach K7. However, you are incorrect in your facts regarding what Kane can and will do going forward even at that rank. Key part (regardless of K9 perks) are the exec point obtained either with Kelly or Kitty in 8.2 and you can still do all the slave betting content minus your own slave).

 

[Stan5851]

If you reject her you will stay at K5 btw until the last evaluation (throne room) where yes you can reach K7. However, you are incorrect in your facts regarding what Kane can and will do going forward even at that rank. Key part (regardless of K9 perks) are the exec point obtained either with Kelly or Kitty in 8.2 and you can still do all the slave betting content minus your own slave).

Well, it looks like this move from subk4 to "Dom"/SS K5 doesn't make practical sense yet. For those who want to go the SS route, it's easier to achieve it by playing a full-fledged Dom route, rather than doing perversions trying to jump out of the slave pants of K4 into the big Z league, where such a "under dom" Kane K7 will definitely not get, if only because it can't reach K10 within the final evaluation at the end of 0.8.3 (not to mention the next M+ rank).

 

[Maviarab]

Well, it looks like this move from subk4 to "Dom"/SS K5 doesn't make practical sense yet. For those who want to go the SS route, it's easier to achieve it by playing a full-fledged Dom route, rather than doing perversions trying to jump out of the slave pants of K4 into the big Z league, where such a "under dom" Kane K7 will definitely not get, if only because it can't reach K10 within the final evaluation at the end of 0.8.3 (not to mention the next M+ rank).

It's never made sense...a point I have brought up to Tess on numerous ocassions. Though she did at least take my advice into consideration regarding the clash of routes and closed one of them off in 8.2

 

[akki_sky]

You do realise who you're talking with right? I'm not some noob hehe.

If you reject her you will stay at K5 btw until the last evaluation (throne room) where yes you can reach K7. However, you are incorrect in your facts regarding what Kane can and will do going forward even at that rank. Key part (regardless of K9 perks) are the exec point obtained either with Kelly or Kitty in 8.2 and you can still do all the slave betting content minus your own slave).

but exec points will be waste if mc don't hit that M rank.

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

but exec points will be waste if mc don't hit that M rank.

Just think of k7 as "standard" Dom route, and k9 dom route with perks. As for endgame, nothing is totally clear. You may be right that only k9 is on the path of sole leader with others on the path of joint leader, or maybe k9 path guarantees this with an easy vote while k7 has extra steps needed to secure the same outcome. Kpass for example is still a thing.

 

[Silver_Crow117]

I think they meant to delete mines but yours got caught up, my bad.

Question for the subs even though I'm pretty sure I know the answer. Is there anyway for sub kane to learn who his father is?

To learn about his father? Not as of yet… just like how he doesn’t know/remember Veronica from his childhood unlike Dom Kane… although in part 3 Kane might learn about Veronica (if he saves nurse Reyes possibly)… supposedly Kane will get that type of moment if he does save Nurse Reyes… (but in general they’ll share a moment…

as for learn about his father… there’s been no indication but he’ll learn about it later… He’s heard the girls talk about him being Callistas boy, But Kane himself doesn’t know why that’s important since it seems to not have helped him much (when in reality it does)
But the Dekocks are making moves to contact sub Kane through Kiyomi… which we have seen through the sub previews… but also there’s Alessandras deal for sub Kane to accept or not to rat out the Dekocks… which is interesting because Cynthia is a possible Faction C leader for Sub Kane… which means there might be some power dynamics between Cynthia and the rest of the family…

Yes, I remember now, I read something about that in the WT. But it was overlaid with information from Silver (and you?) about all sorts of tricky routes SubK5 or TrueSubK5 (I may be wrong in the wording), so based on that I was sure that it was impossible to go from subK4 to DomK5 by definition, but it was possible to go from subK4 to some TrueSub5 route. As you know, I'm not interested in the sub route, so I just took this information as a given.

Well, that's pretty funny. The only question is which sub player would prefer such a subK4- domK5 transition, knowingly putting their newly minted Dom Kane at a disadvantage compared to a full-fledged Dom Kane who started his journey in JF with a K6 rank.

Yeah SS routes are going to be different that “TrubSub” routes.. TrueSub routes will happen after the gameshow and beyond which relies on where Kane place near or on k5 Mark when the gameshow finishes and or depending on the mistress Kane is serving… some can have that abilitiy to raise his rank if he does things for him and follows what they say correctly and some Mistresses will not no matter how he acts because their just… Capital B**ches lmaooo Sub Kane Kane reach k8 and above for certain things but that’s not layed out definitely yet

 

[Kxca]

It's never made sense...a point I have brought up to Tess on numerous ocassions. Though she did at least take my advice into consideration regarding the clash of routes and closed one of them off in 8.2

I remember the transition being a bit jarring imo. One day he's calling everyone Mistress this and Mistress that (even Junko), the next day he's on a first name basis and behaving like he has always been pals with them.

Also is the dialogue with Alessandra different for SS and promoted K5? I can no longer recall that