VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.2B Final] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[jadepaladin]

Dominique is always hard to follow for me because I can't tell how much of it is our influence and how much of it is just us being in different locations based on route/alignment. (I love her, don't get me wrong)
Sub Kane gets whipped by Dominique because of Cole disappearing and her needing to take her frustration out on someone (wonder how Cole will react, if he finds out). Good Dom Kane isn't there to experience her anger, so did she take it out on someone else or did she just not have the urge? It's Schrödinger stuff. Later on you get the scene with Amara in the K3 cells and her alignment determines whether or not she wants Kane to piss on Amara (I think? I haven't done enough variants yet).

Basically, Dominque's personality feels unseen at times, which I guess is her nature. Compared to Juliette who is very "this is what it says on the box."

 

[Maviarab]

Dominique is always hard to follow for me because I can't tell how much of it is our influence and how much of it is just us being in different locations based on route/alignment. (I love her, don't get me wrong)
Sub Kane gets whipped by Dominique because of Cole disappearing and her needing to take her frustration out on someone (wonder how Cole will react, if he finds out). Good Dom Kane isn't there to experience her anger, so did she take it out on someone else or did she just not have the urge? It's Schrödinger stuff. Later on you get the scene with Amara in the K3 cells and her alignment determines whether or not she wants Kane to piss on Amara (I think? I haven't done enough variants yet).

Basically, Dominque's personality feels unseen at times, which I guess is her nature. Compared to Juliette who is very "this is what it says on the box."

Can't disagree with much of that...I would add though in amoment after telling you the pissing is tied the TestPass flag and I think one other iirc (without checking). So for that you do need to be on her DarkPath.

As for the first part...this is one of the beauties of KG for me...and figuring out what happens regardless and what doesn't. Tess herself has stated not everyhing always happens....she gave no further context but this is something (no surprises lol) I have made notes on...

Pretty much, most SubKane content still happens...but without Kane. A great example I've used before is when Olivia meets Kane and Taylor in the new 'requisitioned room' where Pod2 will stay. She leaves shortly after meeting you...she is training slaves. The scene where she is training slaves at that point in the story you see on the SubKane path. So most (not all) of the stuff you see Olivia doing, she is still doing when you are not with her (DomPath), just Kane is not there as he doing Dom/Mangement shizzle. Olivia even says on a couple of ocassions, I'm training your pod today....so whatever happens SubPath...poor Jake and Zach are still doing it.

So, we come to Dominique. This one is a little tricker to piece together but I imagine she probably still does do something yes, just without Kane's involvment if you're on the DomPath. As Stan pointed out before with his great post, Dominique is the single sister we have the most control over (ie, making choices 'as her') but even on the good route with her....she is better. And I think this needs clarifying really, it's bad word play (much like subs/slaves are often used wrongly). There is no good Dominique and I doubt personally, there ever will be. The route should be called, Better Dominique lol...we can make her better than she is but never truly good. Stan showed it himself, she literally says, she is who she is...that's never going to change imo.

Back to Amara and my earlier post, even if we do not see it and do not directly interact with Amara ourselves....Dominique is probably not terribly nice to her lol. We have 2 cannon scenes (one for all players regardless, one specific to DomPath) that shows Amara is her slave. As I said earlier, given this...I see absolutely no reason why what we see/hear on the DarkDomi path regarding Kwame...is also not cannon either. I also doubt that her talk with Kwame regarding 'the whole board' ever happened....she just decided what she decided and you're fucked Kwame...no one else was consulted lol. She probably said to the board, dealt with the insurection, decided to throw Kwame into the program to fuck with him and dangle his family in front of him to also fuck with him even more...and everyone on the board went...lol sure no worries.

Anyway, I've rambled enough, so back to the, what happenes, doesn't...what is Dom like when, I highly urge anyone interested, if they can to have 2 instances of KG open and play a K4 path and a Dom path at the same time....I think you'll find it very interesting as then you can visually see at the same time what changes and when and what always happens (kane being present aside).

Slightly off topic but related:
Leading on from this (necause all things in KG lead to something else)....why do we get Kwame and Jake friend points? At what point are they actually going to come into play...and how...are we really going to free Jake (who by that stage will be completely mind broken) if we get to the top? Will the friend points for Kwame be relevent on all paths?

 

[jadepaladin]

Can't disagree with much of that...I would add though in amoment after telling you the pissing is tied the TestPass flag and I think one other iirc (without checking). So for that you do need to be on her DarkPath.

As for the first part...this is one of the beauties of KG for me...and figuring out what happens regardless and what doesn't. Tess herself has stated not everyhing always happens....she gave no further context but this is something (no surprises lol) I have made notes on...

Pretty much, most SubKane content still happens...but without Kane. A great example I've used before is when Olivia meets Kane and Taylor in the new 'requisitioned room' where Pod2 will stay. She leaves shortly after meeting you...she is training slaves. The scene where she is training slaves at that point in the story you see on the SubKane path. So most (not all) of the stuff you see Olivia doing, she is still doing when you are not with her (DomPath), just Kane is not there as he doing Dom/Mangement shizzle. Olivia even says on a couple of ocassions, I'm training your pod today....so whatever happens SubPath...poor Jake and Zach are still doing it.

So, we come to Dominique. This one is a little tricker to piece together but I imagine she probably still does do something yes, just without Kane's involvment if you're on the DomPath. As Stan pointed out before with his great post, Dominique is the single sister we have the most control over (ie, making choices 'as her') but even on the good route with her....she is better. And I think this needs clarifying really, it's bad word play (much like subs/slaves are often used wrongly). There is no good Dominique and I doubt personally, there ever will be. The route should be called, Better Dominique lol...we can make her better than she is but never truly good. Stan showed it himself, she literally says, she is who she is...that's never going to change imo.

Back to Amara and my earlier post, even if we do not see it and do not directly interact with Amara ourselves....Dominique is probably not terribly nice to her lol. We have 2 cannon scenes (one for all players regardless, one specific to DomPath) that shows Amara is her slave. As I said earlier, given this...I see absolutely no reason why what we see/hear on the DarkDomi path regarding Kwame...is also not cannon either. I also doubt that her talk with Kwame regarding 'the whole board' ever happened....she just decided what she decided and you're fucked Kwame...no one else was consulted lol. She probably said to the board, dealt with the insurection, decided to throw Kwame into the program to fuck with him and dangle his family in front of him to also fuck with him even more...and everyone on the board went...lol sure no worries.

Anyway, I've rambled enough, so back to the, what happenes, doesn't...what is Dom like when, I highly urge anyone interested, if they can to have 2 instances of KG open and play a K4 path and a Dom path at the same time....I think you'll find it very interesting as then you can visually see at the same time what changes and when and what always happens (kane being present aside).

Slightly off topic but related:
Leading on from this (necause all things in KG lead to something else)....why do we get Kwame and Jake friend points? At what point are they actually going to come into play...and how...are we really going to free Jake (who by that stage will be completely mind broken) if we get to the top? Will the friend points for Kwame be relevent on all paths?

There's a lot to cover here so I'll just wing it and it'll be out of order.

I highly doubt Kwame is relevant at all to a Sub Kane. They barely interact at all. For Dom Kane, maybe he becomes useful on a revolution path (feels way too obvious) but some sources of Kwame points come from Kane being not quite the best (K5 vs K6 start). I know better than to dismiss any flag or points because Tess can and will call them up for something. Jake I have no real idea what to do with. On my Dom runs he might as well be a non factor. On sub runs, I tend to try to get some points just in case.

Dominique is the most interesting sister to me (sorry Olivia) because I think things like betrayal are much more evil than general sadism. It gives Dominique layers that the others (except Veronica and Olivia) don't have. Olivia has layers mostly due to player agency. Veronica is the scientist silently at odds with herself. Allesandra is basically just a selfish hedonist. Juilette is...Juliette. Dominique hides her sadism from most and relies on it when she needs it. I also find it hard to accept that Kane can just "change" Dominique so I agree with the idea that he can make her "better." Someone with the temperament Dominique seems to have isn't going to change her stripes because a guy with a decent dick came along. I also agree that the board had nothing to do with Amara...mostly because Amara is a non issue. She's the wife of a guy who gave Dominique trouble so it would be Dominique's problem to solve.

What I want is to be a fly on the wall when conversations happen that should hurt Dominique. Like on an evil Kane run where you punish Junko while fucking Katsumi. I want to know what led to Dominique giving Junko up. I highly doubt anyone could order her to so it had to be for a favor or some type of bet.

 

[Maviarab]

There's a lot to cover here so I'll just wing it and it'll be out of order.

I highly doubt Kwame is relevant at all to a Sub Kane. They barely interact at all. For Dom Kane, maybe he becomes useful on a revolution path (feels way too obvious) but some sources of Kwame points come from Kane being not quite the best (K5 vs K6 start). I know better than to dismiss any flag or points because Tess can and will call them up for something. Jake I have no real idea what to do with. On my Dom runs he might as well be a non factor. On sub runs, I tend to try to get some points just in case.

Dominique is the most interesting sister to me (sorry Olivia) because I think things like betrayal are much more evil than general sadism. It gives Dominique layers that the others (except Veronica and Olivia) don't have. Olivia has layers mostly due to player agency. Veronica is the scientist silently at odds with herself. Allesandra is basically just a selfish hedonist. Juilette is...Juliette. Dominique hides her sadism from most and relies on it when she needs it. I also find it hard to accept that Kane can just "change" Dominique so I agree with the idea that he can make her "better." Someone with the temperament Dominique seems to have isn't going to change her stripes because a guy with a decent dick came along. I also agree that the board had nothing to do with Amara...mostly because Amara is a non issue. She's the wife of a guy who gave Dominique trouble so it would be Dominique's problem to solve.

What I want is to be a fly on the wall when conversations happen that should hurt Dominique. Like on an evil Kane run where you punish Junko while fucking Katsumi. I want to know what led to Dominique giving Junko up. I highly doubt anyone could order her to so it had to be for a favor or some type of bet.

All excellent points indeed and mostly valid I would say and agree.

Heh KG story/plot/inner character workings/intrigue really is the best around in the VN sphere imo. For me (I'm sure many would disagree), this VN would be just as interesting without any lewd/sex scenes at all. It would still be fascinating with everything that's going on, what we see and as you bring up, perhaps more importantly, what we don't/haven't seen yet.

 

[romo-ice]

What I want is to be a fly on the wall when conversations happen that should hurt Dominique. Like on an evil Kane run where you punish Junko while fucking Katsumi. I want to know what led to Dominique giving Junko up. I highly doubt anyone could order her to so it had to be for a favor or some type of bet.

I forget which Dom path it is, but iirc there was a character who comments that Dominique was inquiring about strong men and playing less with her slaves. My head-canon, until the dev says otherwise, is that dom Kane, good or evil basically turned her off from playing with her subordinate women which on the evil path facilitates selling Junko to Katsumi and on the good path gives Junko more freedom to operate.

 

[Stan5851]

So, we come to Dominique. This one is a little tricker to piece together but I imagine she probably still does do something yes, just without Kane's involvment if you're on the DomPath. As Stan pointed out before with his great post, Dominique is the single sister we have the most control over (ie, making choices 'as her') but even on the good route with her....she is better. And I think this needs clarifying really, it's bad word play (much like subs/slaves are often used wrongly). There is no good Dominique and I doubt personally, there ever will be. The route should be called, Better Dominique lol...we can make her better than she is but never truly good. Stan showed it himself, she literally says, she is who she is...that's never going to change imo.

Mav, I agree, and that's a good definition of what we're being served under the sauce of good Dominique. The only thing we differ on is perhaps in our assessment of how much we can (or can't) change her personality... I think it will take a lot of time and effort, not only on a "here and now" level, in this very scene, but also more globally, "behind the scenes".

Perhaps it will happen later in the game, somewhere around chapters 10-11, when KaneDom influence will have grown considerably and our love(?) relationship with her will have grown even deeper.. At least as long as she's capable of reflection and introspection, all is not yet lost, heh..

Slightly off topic but related:
Leading on from this (necause all things in KG lead to something else)....why do we get Kwame and Jake friend points? At what point are they actually going to come into play...and how...are we really going to free Jake (who by that stage will be completely mind broken) if we get to the top? Will the friend points for Kwame be relevent on all paths?

I don't have answers to these questions either, just like I don't have answers to the question why Dom players in the person of Olivia are offered to hand over Kane or Jake to Dr. Chastain for her research (or some perverted fun).

Ofc, I always pick Jake here.. Tess seriously thinks that anyone in their right mind would put themselves in the Doctor's clutches, especially considering the fact that KaneDom can just fuck her (and Erica) on our own terms and get a good rs with her with further prospects of joint fun? Though maybe it's a common scene for Dom and Sub and Tess just didn't bother?

 

[jadepaladin]

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Ofc, I always pick Jake here.. Tess seriously thinks that anyone in their right mind would put themselves in the Doctor's clutches, especially considering the fact that KaneDom can just fuck her (and Erica) on our own terms and get a good rs with her with further prospects of joint fun? Though maybe it's a common scene for Dom and Sub and Tess just didn't bother?

That choice matters for Sub Kane and even then, Olivia can back out of it later on before it comes to fruition.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

yea only problem i have with urm is it doesn't play well with other mods but honestly there are few mods id choose over it.

Well, guys, let's start in order..

So far I only have 2 completed saves out of 10 Dom saves, and it just so happens that the first two completed saves are the ones where my main GreyDom Kane has the dominiquetestpass=true flag. So, of course, I was unaware of Amara's presence in the save where Dominique is conditionally good and where our KaneDom is having a romance with her... So I did another run and chose a save with GoodDom Kane, $dominiquetestpass=false, $dominiqueromanceopen and $revolutionunlock flag (romance with Junko and all that). Overall, I liked this route, maybe it will become a higher priority than it was for me before..

Regarding Amara - yes, she's still a captive, but KaneDom affects the events that happen to him and Dominique anyway, and her attitudes towards certain people in the here and now. Example - a very important choice for Dominique (which, btw, has consequences already in pt2) - to spare the miner or not (in the season 1).. Or the example with Amara - if KaneDom starts a romance with good Dominique, there is no humiliation and domination over Amara (on the part of Kane and Dominique). There are other examples in the here and now, such as in pt2, where Dominique behaves more gently towards Mercy or the same Amara without trying to provoke Kane to piss on her head.
No, it's not consistent with reality. I was not lazy and specifically checked again by doing a fast run. My Kane Dom met Dominique at the pool and told her to think of herself and this is what we got after...
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So as you can see, she's still living with her inner conflict and even Veronica in this case is telling her all the same things she would tell good Dominique.

So Amara's appearance in pt2 on Dominique's good path hasn't changed anything for me, and I still think Dominique's personality will be able to be adjusted for the better (within the given limits delineated by her average level of flexibility that Tess has bestowed upon her).

That's where you and I differ. I still think Dominique has the same personality; it's just that if you're good, she won't show you her more sadistic side. So you'll see her treating Amara and other slaves better and acting better but it's still there. She's just not showing it to Kane, so we won't see it in the game, as most of her bad stuff will be done offscreen in secret.

There's a lot to cover here so I'll just wing it and it'll be out of order.

Dominique is the most interesting sister to me (sorry Olivia) because I think things like betrayal are much more evil than general sadism. It gives Dominique layers that the others (except Veronica and Olivia) don't have. Olivia has layers mostly due to player agency. Veronica is the scientist silently at odds with herself. Allesandra is basically just a selfish hedonist. Juilette is...Juliette. Dominique hides her sadism from most and relies on it when she needs it. I also find it hard to accept that Kane can just "change" Dominique so I agree with the idea that he can make her "better." Someone with the temperament Dominique seems to have isn't going to change her stripes because a guy with a decent dick came along. I also agree that the board had nothing to do with Amara...mostly because Amara is a non issue. She's the wife of a guy who gave Dominique trouble so it would be Dominique's problem to solve.

Alessandra's always been the most interesting to me because she hides all her shit behind a party-girl facade.
Not to mention, her ways of torture differ from most. I still remember the second chapter, where a slave randomly commented about being thirsty. Alessandra stored that information, had a whole meeting with Veronica, got a canteen after the meeting, and proceeded to fuck with the poor guy by drinking water in front of him and then making him count to 1000 before she'd agree to give him anything else.
Not to mention, she's the one sister that none of the other sisters hate. She's just great at the political game. She's also the only sister who didn't hate her upbringing.

I see Dom as more confused; she knows she should be good but doesn't know why. However, I am interested in how keeping the secret of Cole's whereabouts will affect her in the future.

 

[jadepaladin]

Alessandra's always been the most interesting to me because she hides all her shit behind a party-girl facade.
Not to mention, her ways of torture differ from most. I still remember the second chapter, where a slave randomly commented about being thirsty. Alessandra stored that information, had a whole meeting with Veronica, got a canteen after the meeting, and proceeded to fuck with the poor guy by drinking water in front of him and then making him count to 1000 before she'd agree to give him anything else.
Not to mention, she's the one sister that none of the other sisters hate. She's just great at the political game. She's also the only sister who didn't hate her upbringing.

I see Dom as more confused; she knows she should be good but doesn't know why. However, I am interested in how keeping the secret of Cole's whereabouts will affect her in the future.

I do like Allesandra's versions of torture. I think Allesandra is the only one so far to admit to actively trying to goad her sisters to fighting each other. I want to say it was a conversation with Patricia. We all know Juliette hates Veronica but so far it's only been lip service. Dominique doesn't seem to hate Veronica and wants her support.

 

[motseer]

Universal Choice Descriptor will do similar for those requiring info right there on the decision box. Use both in conjuction with each other (UCD doesn't like sandboxes/free-roams though etc).

It works especially well for KG. Between URM and UCD it's almost like having Sancho's mod installed. I keep them in a game folder ready to drop in together. When UCD doesn't play nice it's easy to just delete the game/mods folder and away you go. One of the best gaming tips I ever got... I'm trying to remember who that was...

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

I do like Allesandra's versions of torture. I think Allesandra is the only one so far to admit to actively trying to goad her sisters to fighting each other. I want to say it was a conversation with Patricia. We all know Juliette hates Veronica but so far it's only been lip service. Dominique doesn't seem to hate Veronica and wants her support.

It was a conversation with Patricia like 2 or 3 updates ago. Going off of loss of sponsorships, I'd say Juliette hates Veronica and Dom hates Juliette ( not sure if the feeling is mutual though). I imagine the fallout from the cole reveal will mean Veronica likely never supporting Dominique which will be interesting for their relationship going forward.

 

[DoverDad]

Elena is making it really hard not to submit to subroute just for her

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[kinkyshin]

It was a conversation with Patricia like 2 or 3 updates ago. Going off of loss of sponsorships, I'd say Juliette hates Veronica and Dom hates Juliette ( not sure if the feeling is mutual though). I imagine the fallout from the cole reveal will mean Veronica likely never supporting Dominique which will be interesting for their relationship going forward.

I don't think that's a good indicator. Dominique only drops you as a sponsor if you choose Juliette because she specifically instructed you to get closer to Veronica for her.

At this point, the only half-sister that's been shown to truly, legitimately, irredeemably hate another is Juliette with Veronica. In any other case, I think it's less about love/hate and more about power. Because ultimately, any of these Karlsson bitches are more than willing to shed any half-sibling for power regardless of how much they like or dislike them.

 

[Parakattu]

Will the android version be available for public release? If so, is there a time frame?

 

[d5aqoep]

Has the proper content update dropped after last year's March/Apr release? This 0.8.2 Test seems like a bugfix update and nothing substantial?

 

[Stan5851]

Will the android version be available for public release? If so, is there a time frame?

Keep an eye on the thread and news appearing here.

Has the proper content update dropped after last year's March/Apr release? This 0.8.2 Test seems like a bugfix update and nothing substantial?

If you had been following the thread, you wouldn't have had to ask such a stupid question.

Corporate Development Memo - 4th of January 2025

First of all, Happy New Year and 2025 to everyone!

I will list here where I am in terms of getting the Test Version to Final.

1) Corrections phase (basically done)

2) Animations/balancing points and flags (mostly done, about 70 percent adding animations last for this step)

3) One sub scene (have set up basic characters and wrote about half of the scene, so need to render it and write rest of it.)

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Two of the assistants to help Olivia for this final scene.

4) Two dom scenes

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I have written the setup scenes (rendered about 75 percent of these) before the final scene I want to do for this path.

5) Outro scene from me thanking people, etc. (DONE)

6) Intro slide card (DONE)

7) Anais intro about her game (DONE)

8) Preview scene from her setting/game with a KG character who survives and is a "woman out of time" so to speak. (WRITTEN/NOT RENDERED)

So if you kind of see everything above, you see my tasks for this week. I am hoping to release the Final Version next weekend. I wanted to get it out a little faster but honestly the holidays and family stuff (most have left now after the last few days) in town was quite busy, and the last sub/dom scene I want to add are a bit longer than prior updates from Test-->Final.

I am considering one thing for later today. (only 5 hour poll, curious to get feedback will particularly pay attention to 15 and up tiers)

I am considering releasing the Test Version to the $15 tier as is, or with a few changes added as described above. I personally don't think current Test players need to redownload it unless they want to see the outro and a bit of info on Anais' game. (but it's just an intro) There is a bit more dom content with the pics above, but it's not a huge amount and I personally think one can wait for everything being done.

But I'd like to do something for this specific tier personally. And the changes above (mostly the outro/Anais intro) would be reflected in this version...I'd recompile it for here.

So the poll is basically simple:

1) Release to 15 tier the same Test Version as I did to $20.

2) Release to 15 tier the minor updates on Test Version.

3) Just wait until Final is ready for now...

I really want to get back to work so trying to keep this short. But I will check this poll in five hours and see if I want to add in a new post to the $15 tier with either the same or tweaked (again, not a ton) version for this tier.

I sincerely hope everyone has a great 2025, and I am grinding hard this week to try and make my goal! Appreciate the patience and especially nice messages/feedback I have been getting from Test Version players. This is easily the most positive and engaged feedback I have gotten since starting this game.

Love,

Tess

 

[Maviarab]

At this point, the only half-sister that's been shown to truly, legitimately, irredeemably hate another is Juliette with Veronica. In any other case, I think it's less about love/hate and more about power. Because ultimately, any of these Karlsson bitches are more than willing to shed any half-sibling for power regardless of how much they like or dislike them.

Oh...Dominique and Juliette do not like each other. Been a while since the early episodes of them forming their 'temporary alliance' on Jules' yacht but make no mistake, they despise each other.

Will the android version be available for public release? If so, is there a time frame?

Unlikely but you never know.

yea only problem i have with urm is it doesn't play well with other mods but honestly there are few mods id choose over it.

URM works with literally everything as it doesn't conflict with anything. UCD is a lot more fussy yes...not URM though. Works with every mod.

If you had been following the thread, you wouldn't have had to ask such a stupid question.

And some still wonder why my list is maxed out. I really have no time for idiocy.

 

[Dark Quean Olivia]

That choice matters for Sub Kane and even then, Olivia can back out of it later on before it comes to fruition.

Wait, there was a choice there?

 

[Vleder]

And some still wonder why my list is maxed out. I really have no time for idiocy.

Wait, is there a limit for "the list", just like for reactions?!

 

[Maviarab]

Wait, is there a limit for "the list", just like for reactions?!

1k limit. Same with ignoring threads etc.