VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.2A Final] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[Stan5851]

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Well, if we compare our "slave lists", they overlap in some ways, but I think that your "slave Nadia"



looks even less realistic than my "slave Juliette"


And if in the case of Juliette's slavery there will be only one limitation - whether Tess will want to give the Dom players a chance to take revenge on Jules by making her Kane's slave, then with Nadia it's much more complicated, because she is Kane's real sister, and Tess, knowing her attitude to incest, is unlikely to go for such a relationship between real brother and sister.

By the way, I wouldn't be in a hurry to judge Nadia...I have no reason not to believe those sub players who write that on the sub route Nadia's concern for KaneSub is very good and she really cares about his future...On the Dom track, it's hard for us to understand that because we're doing well... and KaneDom still has no idea who Nadia really is or what he really means to her. So far I find her to be a very interesting person and I look forward to getting to know her more.

 

[Maviarab]

Well, if we compare our "slave lists", they overlap in some ways, but I think that your "slave Nadia"

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looks even less realistic than my "slave Juliette"..

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And if in the case of Juliette's slavery there will be only one limitation - whether Tess will want to give the Dom players a chance to take revenge on Jules by making her Kane's slave, then with Nadia it's much more complicated, because she is Kane's real sister, and Tess, knowing her attitude to incest, is unlikely to go for such a relationship between real brother and sister.

By the way, I wouldn't be in a hurry to judge Nadia...I have no reason not to believe those sub players who write that on the sub route Nadia's concern for KaneSub is very good and she really cares about his future...On the Dom track, it's hard for us to understand that because we're doing well and so far our KaneDom has no idea who Nadia really is or what he really means to her. So far I find Nadia to be a pretty interesting person and I look forward to getting to know her more.

Yeah on a sliding scale of nice, caring, compassionate character to sadistic lunatic...Nadia is still very much in the camp leaning towards the latter. This is even shown in-game, especially when she talking to her own caged slave before Otto interrupts her (and she is very much part of the red rooms at Olivia's party). Can't really be refuted. She is just 'part of the system' herself.

On a sliding sacale of how she is compared to the vast majority of women in KG....then she a completely pussycat in comparison but is that really enough to redeem her ultimately? She still upper class, part of the elite, has her slaves, top of the food chain herself amost (mommy certainly is)....

Tough one...but I agree, she is an interesting character in so much as you say, we really don't know all that much about her do we....nor what she is really like deep down. Dom players even less so, she has far more content on the SubRoutes.

 

[Stan5851]

Yeah on a sliding scale of nice, caring, compassionate character to sadistic lunatic...Nadia is still very much in the camp leaning towards the latter. This is even shown in-game, especially when she talking to her own caged slave before Otto interrupts her. Can't really be refuted. She is just 'part of the system' herself.

On a sliding sacale of how she is compared to the vast majority of women in KG....then she a completely pussycat in comparison but is that really enough to redeem her ultimately? She still upper class, part of the elite, has her slaves, top of the food chain herself amost (mommy certainly is)....

Tough one...but I agree, she is an interesting character in so much as you say, we really don't know all that much about her do we....nor what she is really like deep down. Dom players even less so, she has far more content on the SubRoutes.

You're right, she's part of this vicious system, but I want to understand her motives..ow and why she became like this, because it's hardly Alexander's fault and most likely all the "merit" belongs to Cynthia...who, by the way, also remains a big mystery.. On the one hand, Cynthia is a cynical sadist who can kill a slave at the snap of her fingers just because he was clumsy, but on the other hand...we still don't know what she's really like on the inside or if there's something else behind that sadistic facade.

Same with Phoebe, who is no less interesting (IMO) character than Nadia...Yes, we (Doms) know about her "righteous revenge" on Harry, but the whole story is still hidden from us, and this woman herself seems to be the bearer of many secrets..So, I think it will be interesting to learn more about them all...As for retribution/revenge, I have no doubt that Tess will give us such an opportunity, but first, as the investigators would say, we need to understand the motives and background..

Here's someone I definitely don't want to understand more deeply, it's Charlotte... For her small appearance in the frame (I was given a K1 save in this thread (months ago), and I saw the whole scene in its entirety, the one where the murder of the defenseless slave that Charlotte initiated takes place)..And to me that scene said it all..So my KaneDom will definitely not hesitate before blowing that thing's brains out..But others deserve to know more about them...Also, I could never kill my own sister (even if it's a game character).To me it's beyond good and evil...I can certainly punish Nadia, make her redeem herself, but not kill her.

 

[Maviarab]

You're right, she's part of this vicious system, but I want to understand her motives..How and why she became like this, because we can't blame it all on Alexander again, it's obvious that her mother Cynthia probably did her "best", who, by the way, is a mystery. On the one hand, Cynthia is a cynical sadist who can kill a slave at the snap of her fingers just because he was clumsy, but on the other hand...we still don't know what she's really like on the inside or if there's something else behind that sadistic facade.

Yup...fair points and with Cole out of the way....one can only towards Cynthia as her influence.

Same with Phoebe, who is no less interesting (IMO) character than Nadia...Yes, we (Doms) know about her "righteous revenge" on Harry, but the whole story is still hidden from us, and this woman herself seems to be the bearer of many secrets..So, I think it will be interesting to learn more about them all...As for retribution/revenge, I have no doubt that Tess will give us such an opportunity, but first, as the investigators would say, we need to understand the motives and background..

Fair points and Phoebe is indeed interesting. She also has the single best scene in the story so far hahahaha...I still chuckle at that...

Here's someone I definitely don't want to understand more deeply, it's Charlotte... For her small appearance in the frame (I was given a K1 save in this thread (months ago), and I saw the whole scene in its entirety, the one where the murder of the defenseless slave that Charlotte initiated takes place)..And to me that scene said it all..So my KaneDom will definitely not hesitate before blowing that thing's brains out..But others deserve to know more about them...Also, I could never kill my own sister (even if it's a game character).To me it's beyond good and evil...I can certainly punish Nadia, make her redeem herself, but not kill.

Yeah Charlotte is the very deffinition of drunk on power crazy. She a more refined and cultured Jules for me...

 

[Silver_Crow117]

Yeah, I’m not to sure what Nadia will contribute to an extent… like you’ve guys said she’s more prominent in the sub side… even saying that she’ll be around during the gameshow… not sure if she’d contributing or not in the gameshow… I do know Tess wanted to get to Nadia but it’ll probably happen in part 3… either way we’re gonna have to see how she is with Kane…

her dialogue is different if your Sub Kane is k4 compared to k1-3 saying, “Those Karlsson bitches make it tough” or something like that and k1-3 “do you really want to be someone’s slave/Servant” or something around that…

I do think she most likely will be part of Veronica’s faction, which may mean the DeKocks are part of Veronica’s faction.. but we’ll have to see!..

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[Stan5851]

Yup...fair points and with Cole out of the way....one can only towards Cynthia as her influence.

Okay, I think I know the name of another beta tester for the new update, hehe. But other than kidding, Mav, what makes you think Cole will get "out of the way"? As I recall Tess's posts, she implied that he should be fine. Sure, Cynthia has a lot more influence than Cole, but it's a matter of which way you look at it..

Аfter all, the very survival of the mainland depends on Cole's position, so theoretically there's nothing stopping him from using that "own indispensability factor" to influence Veronica and Dominique to help Kane (although I don't think his influence will be necessary on the Dom route).

Silver_Crow117, may I ask what made you laugh so much in my post?

 

[Maviarab]

Okay, I think I know the name of another beta tester for the new update, hehe. But other than kidding, Mav, what makes you think Cole will get "out of the way"? As I recall Tess's posts, she implied that he should be fine. Sure, Cynthia has a lot more influence than Cole, but it's a matter of which way you look at it..

Аfter all, the very survival of the mainland depends on Cole's position, so theoretically there's nothing stopping him from using that "own indispensability factor" to influence Veronica and Dominique to help Kane (although I don't think his influence will be necessary in the Dom route).

Silver_Crow117, may I ask what made you laugh so much in my post?

Ahh no you misunderstood me...

I meant, with Cole out of the way (ie...exiled to God-knows-where, we assume also by way of threat towards Callista/unborn Kane)....Young Nadia only had Cynthia (we assume) as an influence growing up. I think we can all agree that Cole is a pretty stand up guy from what little we know about him...and going by Phoebe's words (in the best scene of the story) to Elena and Yvette....Cynthia is not a woman to be messed with.

 

[Vleder]

Still about the topic of URM, I encourage everyone to use it, especially in complex games like KG. Users can watch the flow of relevant information going on in the background and use it to build their own gallery of scenes, for example, or compare the progress of variables values. In some games where devs had limited save in numbers and story moments, I found out that it has a more powerful save feature than the standard AVN. But still, my favorite functions are the renaming (or text replacement) and the option to customize almost any textbox (removing anoying side pics, quick menus or other intrusive things).
I've been using it for over two years and generally go without any mods.

 

[Silver_Crow117]

Okay, I think I know the name of another beta tester for the new update, hehe. But other than kidding, Mav, what makes you think Cole will get "out of the way"? As I recall Tess's posts, she implied that he should be fine. Sure, Cynthia has a lot more influence than Cole, but it's a matter of which way you look at it..

Аfter all, the very survival of the mainland depends on Cole's position, so theoretically there's nothing stopping him from using that "own indispensability factor" to influence Veronica and Dominique to help Kane (although I don't think his influence will be necessary on the Dom route).

Silver_Crow117, may I ask what made you laugh so much in my post?

Just the blowing brains out part lmao

 

[rosethorn87]

is there any information on the next update?

 

[Maviarab]

is there any information on the next update?

Next week with any luck
Future ref...use the damn search function at the top right of the thread. Pro-tip...search Mistress by member (myself). You will find all the relevent information you require.

 

[Sharpshooter890]

Yeah on a sliding scale of nice, caring, compassionate character to sadistic lunatic...Nadia is still very much in the camp leaning towards the latter. This is even shown in-game, especially when she talking to her own caged slave before Otto interrupts her (and she is very much part of the red rooms at Olivia's party). Can't really be refuted. She is just 'part of the system' herself.

On a sliding sacale of how she is compared to the vast majority of women in KG....then she a completely pussycat in comparison but is that really enough to redeem her ultimately? She still upper class, part of the elite, has her slaves, top of the food chain herself amost (mommy certainly is)....

Tough one...but I agree, she is an interesting character in so much as you say, we really don't know all that much about her do we....nor what she is really like deep down. Dom players even less so, she has far more content on the SubRoutes.

I CAN FIX HER!!!111

 

[Stan5851]

Maviarab, you already know that English is not my native language and sometimes I face "translation difficulties". Could you please help me to understand what Tess meant in this phrase, which I have highlighted in a separate color?

Did I understand correctly that this will be a kind of "cutting down/reducing" of the sex scenes and that in future scenes with Olivia and the Council members (Karlsson sisters) Kane will not have such a pronounced dominant role and everything will be "on equal footing"? Or should that Tess phrase be taken the other way around, and that in these future sex scenes with Olivia and the Board members, our KaneDom will, on the contrary, be even more assertive than it is now?

From the official Ep8 walkthrough:

Z rank: Kane will NOT get to Z1 by Part 3, but in Episode 9 it will be possible if he hits a key flag within the M rank outcome. If on this track, Episode 9 Is really when Kane will finally kind of "break free" from a lot of oversight and the narrative will shift a bit more to Kane actively planning/being more proactive versus reactive. There will also be less female/male pair scenes if desired (meaning Kane is the highest ranking person in the scene, not always with say Olivia or a Board member for a lot of scenes) as well.
This long-term planning is by design because he did not start off as strongly as Olivia and had to bide his time patiently, etc. I feel the game is much more realistic if Kane had to work his way up so to speak versus just fucking every female right away, etc. So think of this unique situation as Kane being told he is now M rank, but on a special fast track for executive training. He will in this status be treated differently than a "normal" M ranked Kane at the end of Part 3.

 

[Maviarab]

Maviarab, you already know that English is not my native language and sometimes I face "translation difficulties". Could you please help me to understand what Tess meant in this phrase, which I have highlighted in a separate color?

Did I understand correctly that this will be a kind of "cutting down/reducing" of the sex scenes and that in future scenes with Olivia and the Council members (Karlsson sisters) Kane will not have such a pronounced dominant role and everything will be "on equal footing"? Or should that Tess phrase be taken the other way around, and that in these future sex scenes with Olivia and the Board members, our KaneDom will, on the contrary, be even more assertive than it is now?

From the official Ep8 walkthrough:

Z rank: Kane will NOT get to Z1 by Part 3, but in Episode 9 it will be possible if he hits a key flag within the M rank outcome. If on this track, Episode 9 Is really when Kane will finally kind of "break free" from a lot of oversight and the narrative will shift a bit more to Kane actively planning/being more proactive versus reactive. There will also be less female/male pair scenes if desired (meaning Kane is the highest ranking person in the scene, not always with say Olivia or a Board member for a lot of scenes) as well.
This long-term planning is by design because he did not start off as strongly as Olivia and had to bide his time patiently, etc. I feel the game is much more realistic if Kane had to work his way up so to speak versus just fucking every female right away, etc. So think of this unique situation as Kane being told he is now M rank, but on a special fast track for executive training. He will in this status be treated differently than a "normal" M ranked Kane at the end of Part 3.

Could mean a lot of things but the way I personally read it and take it is that in every scene with Kane...there is a higher ranking female there too. You ever conciously noticed that? I take that sentence to mean this will no longer be the case, be that on a sexual or non-sexual scene.

Kane will become his own man...without the need of a higher rank being around. I could be completely wrong but that's how I read it.

 

[Stan5851]

is there any information on the next update?

-> #12,952

 

[Sharpshooter890]

There will also be less female/male pair scenes if desired (meaning Kane is the highest ranking person in the scene, not always with say Olivia or a Board member for a lot of scenes) as well.

Sometimes I feel like I need a personal Rosetta stone to decipher what Tess means. I think she could phrase these things a bit clearer, she's certainly capable of that.

 

[Silver_Crow117]

is there any information on the next update?

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[ZoeySwitch]

I just want to say that I very rarely comment on these forums. I'm more a vouyer but honestly was so enraged by the following post I couldn't keep quiet.

I feel safe saying this (as it's not a kink...so therefore no shaming involved) but I do not even believe in the concept of switching..let alone being a whataver a 'true' switch is. There's no such thing in my humble opinion. Being a dom or a sub (talking true submissive here, not what is in KG which is not submissiveness) is a state of being...a mindset...it's who and what you are...part of your very core self...not something you switch around like a light.

Sorry...but anyone who says that is not someone I can ever, or will ever take seriously. Next you'll be telling me you can train subs/are a brat trainer and think Fetlife is a good site to hang out in.

I think it is perhaps best we close this entire conversation as no, we will never see eye to eye, especially when you believe that a dom will never understand your pov on that path when the reality is, I can probably understand it far better.

Have a good Christmas.

Wow. I have never come across a post so offensive on this forum.
Firstly you say that switch is not a kink and there fore you are not kink shaming. Wow.
As a switch let me educate you. A kink is classed as catch all term for a range of consensual practices. This can include but are not limited to role play, power dynamics or fetishes. Since being a Dominant, A submissive or a switch which is someone whois bot dominant and submissive dependant on who their partner is or are would be classed as power dynamics it is there for a kink... Me personally I am dominant to women and submissive to men and yes I class myself as bi sexual. Or do you not believe in that either.
You also said not kink shaming here but in the next breath you don't believe someone can be a switch. Is that not the very definition of kink shaming. (From Google. Kink shame is to disrespect or devalue a person for his or hers particular kink or fetish)

Secondly you say that the content of this game is not submissiveness. Then please tell me what the sub route is? Does it not have content about domination and submitting to a greater power. Training those they deam below them to be submissive and or in slavery.

Thirdly. I do get what the other members are saying about Olivia. I do not believe she is evil as they put it but she does act differently towards the different types of the MC. Where the MC is submissive and the sister is dominant she acts more colder to her brother than she does on his dominant route. I do also believe she does take a small amount of pleasure in being distant with him under the guise of being watched by those higher than her. She is still being watched by them on his dominant route but acts better towards him.

Lastly there is nothing wrong with fetlife as long as you use common sense. It is how I got to know my current master and his wife and now live 24/7 as his submissive and her Domme and yes that does mean she serves 2 dominants.

I hope that I have educated the members on this site.
I hope that I am not breaking the forum rules in this post. My aim is to educate and also talk about the current game version and it's thread.

 

[rosethorn87]

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I laughed way to much at this lol

 

[motseer]

Well, if we compare our "slave lists", they overlap in some ways, but I think that your "slave Nadia" looks even less realistic than my "slave Juliette"

Yeah, you're right, although, my list wasn't an attempt to apply my "reality" to a dystopian sadomasochistic society. It was more of a "shotgun" how I react to them kinda thing. If I were to attempt a list based on how a Z5 "ruler" Kane would deal with them, there would only be two categories; redeemable and irredeemable. I would never dream of trying to build a list based on what I think Tess might "allow". Haha... There are just sooooooooo many things wrong with that thought if you're me... Jus' Sayin'