VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.2B Final] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[jadepaladin]

Dom Path: + 103 renders + likely 82 renders (185) - I had wanted to try and be ambitious and include the entire 200 render scene I have in my head, but I am going to cut it short and stick with 80ish and continue it in Part 3.
(I am sad to say DMs impacted me about this decision. I enjoy working on this game a lot...except around this time. Some people are unhinged...)

Am I missing some context? I don't see where it's specifically dom players DMing Tess in this case unless I overlooked something on discord. I feel it's much more likely that players in general (not one side or the other) that were harassing her to get the update out faster which caused her to split this scene across the two parts.

I'm pretty opinionated at times but I would 100% never DM any developer (especially one I like) to encourage them to work faster or try to harass them in any way. I'm glad KG is far enough along that Tess will most likely see it to completion because this is absolutely the stuff that causes other developers to quit permanently.

 

[Maviarab]

I'm pretty opinionated at times but I would 100% never DM any developer (especially one I like) to encourage them to work faster or try to harass them in any way. I'm glad KG is far enough along that Tess will most likely see it to completion because this is absolutely the stuff that causes other developers to quit permanently.

This ^^ For any reason at all really other than to say, great job, keep it up.

She slightly annoys me at times with her disingenious remarks and insulting people's intelligence (regarding her general playerbase) going on about 'how few' people caught this, or noticed that blah blah subtletly/hints/nuances...I'm pretty sure (or would like to at least think) most catch them, many of us here certainly catch them and we discuss them (sometimes a little too obsessively lol) and there's little point in Discord as for all its popularity (as a VN), the server is rather dead at times (Tess said that most 'subs' tend to contact her directly on patreon after a recent conversation was brought up regarding the server demographic). I really do sometimes wonder if she actually truly does understand her overall, general playerbase.

We just don't constantly bombard the dev with questions/platitudes and sucking up (either by DM or in Discord). While I do at times talk to Tess privately, it's usually to confirm/ask something/have her check something for me and only when neccessary (or when for the second time, giving her back all her lost mask images). I would never personally dream of DM'ing a dev and saying, really great scene with x and y...I caught this/that/the other (or worse, as you mention, demanding something). The dev ain't my/your friend...if I feel the need to say something like that I'll do it here and tag them or on their server, not DM them.

 

[DoverDad]

Overall, I agree with what you wrote, however, I absolutely do not want to sympathize with Tess in what she did...Be that as it may, 1-2 people (whose names she again did not name... how convenient, right?) cannot and should not be the reason why hundreds or thousands of other players should be held accountable. Rough example - if 1 person is accused of a crime, there is no way their guilt can extend to the entire country they reside in. So it is in this case.

First we swallowed being deprived of our solo romance with Jules (because of a couple unnamed assholes who supposedly complained about this demon flag content to the feds or whatever they demanded of her?)...And now Tess has apparently decided to extend this practice of disadvantaging Dom players to the main route as well.

So in this case, I completely agree with Silver. It's a disgrace and a shame that Tess is deliberately depriving Dom players of of some long awaited content by making them scapegoats because of a couple of unnamed jerks. And that doesn't do her any honor.

You know what I find funny she had problems with people on the subside as well but did they lose content on the subside no what next will Tess do the same and remove the evil side and then the dom side altogether?

Why is it the always Dom side getting fuck over? One of the reasons I loved this VN is because you could be good, evil, Dom or sub. The way it going Tess going to lose all the paying patrons who mostly play the dom side

 

[PickerLewd]

OK, take it easy... breathe and don't get angry .

Of the 200 renders, she says she will include 80, and as "punishment" for the DMs, the rest will come with part 3. It's not like the Demon Kane route, which was cut forever.

 

[Maviarab]

You know what I find funny she had problems with people on the subside as well but did they lose content on the subside no

 

[jadepaladin]

This ^^ For any reason at all really other than to say, great job, keep it up.

She slightly annoys me at times with her disingenious remarks and insulting people's intelligence (regarding her general playerbase) going on about 'how few' people caught this, or noticed that blah blah subtletly/hints/nuances...I'm pretty sure (or would like to at least think) most catch them, many of us here certainly catch them and we discuss them (sometimes a little too obsessively lol) and there's little point in Discord as for all its popularity (as a VN), the server is rather dead at times (Tess said that most 'subs' tend to contact her directly on patreon after a recent conversation was brought up regarding the server demographic). I really do sometimes wonder if she actually truly does understand her overall, general playerbase.

This might veer a little OT but I'll try to bring it back at the end. When I first got into AVNs, it was around the time Depraved Awakening finished and City of Broken Dreamers was just taking off. I had just finished Acting Lessons (yikes) and was very interested in VN development. I threw money at some developers I liked, joined their discords in some of the higher tier rooms, (expecting to get away from the "common rabble" and talk shop about the VN) and got disillusioned extremely fast. 10/10 times, other people kill it for me before the dev does. Loved chatting with Philly (using him specifically since I mentioned DA and CoBD) but eventually I just cut back on my support and kept it to lurking. From the other Patreons I support and looking in their discords, it's much of the same.

All that to say, I prefer chatting here when it comes to talking about a project. Sure it comes with the stigma of pirate land and you get some questionable IQs but there's something about it I like better than developer discords. From the time I've been in Tess's, it's not that much different other than getting info faster than finding it here. Discord is great when I need to join friends in voice chat for gaming, not so much when it's either an echo chamber or cesspool of way too many people there for only one thing.

 

[PickerLewd]

This might veer a little OT but I'll try to bring it back at the end. When I first got into AVNs, it was around the time Depraved Awakening finished and City of Broken Dreamers was just taking off.

Great idea, and this thread is usually not well monitored .

Let's all go OT and tell how each of us discovered F95 or the world of AVNs.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

OK, take it easy... breathe and don't get angry .

Of the 200 renders, she says she will include 80, and as "punishment" for the DMs, the rest will come with part 3. It's not like the Demon Kane route, which was cut forever.

That's more than half the renders. That's not a small amount, and I imagine as she develops part 3 more, some of said renders will likely get lost in the planning phase. So while it's not as bad as losing a whole route, it's still problematic.

 

[Maviarab]

Great idea, and this thread is usually not well monitored .

Oh...it is

 

[DoverDad]

OK, take it easy... breathe and don't get angry .

Of the 200 renders, she says she will include 80, and as "punishment" for the DMs, the rest will come with part 3. It's not like the Demon Kane route, which was cut forever.

So the Doms players have to wait an extra 4- 6 months for those Renders Like MilesEdgeworth said what if Tess forgets about them those extra 80-2oo something renders what then for us Dom players? Looking back Kane missing the party makes sense and Tess gave us Dom players some action with Sam but this getting out of hand we Dom players keep getting fuck over

 

[Stan5851]

OK, take it easy... breathe and don't get angry .

Of the 200 renders, she says she will include 80, and as "punishment" for the DMs, the rest will come with part 3. It's not like the Demon Kane route, which was cut forever.

In my opinion, it's time to start behaving like a grown up and intelligent woman (just block inadequate subscribers/patrons and, if necessary, return their money), instead of freaking out because of the incomprehensible outpourings of a couple of jerks in her DM, while infringing on a huge number of normal and adequate players who don't behave like that. (all the things Mav wrote about in the post above)

And when a developer does not respect part of his own audience (players), allowing himself to “punish” it - it is not good for the image of the developer, nor the game itself...And the lost trust is not easy to restore.

 

[jadepaladin]

If Tess forgets a huge swatch of renders somehow, they probably weren't all that important in the first place.

I do agree that she could probably be more heavy handed with the ban hammer. She's said on multiple occasions that KG is one of her lowest revenue streams, so a few more dollars lost here and there shouldn't affect much. It will drastically improve her temperament long term I imagine.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

If Tess forgets a huge swatch of renders somehow, they probably weren't all that important in the first place.

I do agree that she could probably be more heavy handed with the ban hammer. She's said on multiple occasions that KG is one of her lowest revenue streams, so a few more dollars lost here and there shouldn't affect much. It will drastically improve her temperament long term I imagine.

Like a couple of years ago or so, Angelica wouldn't have been considered an important character, now she's a t1 romance. What's not important for Tess storyline wise might not necessarily be important to us the playing audience.

 

[jadepaladin]

Like a couple of years ago or so, Angelica wouldn't have been considered an important character, now she's a t1 romance. What's not important for Tess storyline wise might not necessarily be important to us the playing audience.

So what you're saying is...I can slip into Tess's DMs, complain about Chloe enough, and she'll get deleted as punishment to give more screen time to Angelica. Tempting offer.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

So what you're saying is...I can slip into Tess's DMs, complain about Chloe enough, and she'll get deleted as punishment to give more screen time to Angelica. Tempting offer.

Getting rid of chloe wouldn't affect Angelica's screen time at all since their screentime is connected to each other

 

[jadepaladin]

Getting rid of chloe wouldn't affect Angelica's screen time at all since their screentime is connected to each other

She has some Dominique scenes unrelated to Angelica.

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I think it looks better already.

 

[kinkyshin]

going on about 'how few' people caught this

Yea, I've never been to the discord, but when you posted that comment from her a few pages back it caught me off guard that she was under the impression that people hadn't noticed it.

Getting rid of chloe wouldn't affect Angelica's screen time at all since their screentime is connected to each other

I'm convinced at this point that the only reason for Chloe's existence is to make Angelica look better in comparison.

 

[PickerLewd]

Hey jadepaladin would you spoil me why Angelica and co are dressed like that? like ready for the Rio Carnival?

It looks good on them tho .

 

[Stan5851]

She has some Dominique scenes unrelated to Angelica.

Spoiler: Improved Angelica

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I think it looks better already.

Spoiler: I fixed it. Everything's fine now.

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[motseer]

This ^^ For any reason at all really other than to say, great job, keep it up.

She slightly annoys me at times with her disingenious remarks and insulting people's intelligence (regarding her general playerbase) going on about 'how few' people caught this, or noticed that blah blah subtletly/hints/nuances...I'm pretty sure (or would like to at least think) most catch them, many of us here certainly catch them and we discuss them (sometimes a little too obsessively lol) and there's little point in Discord as for all its popularity (as a VN), the server is rather dead at times (Tess said that most 'subs' tend to contact her directly on patreon after a recent conversation was brought up regarding the server demographic). I really do sometimes wonder if she actually truly does understand her overall, general playerbase.

We just don't constantly bombard the dev with questions/platitudes and sucking up (either by DM or in Discord). While I do at times talk to Tess privately, it's usually to confirm/ask something/have her check something for me and only when neccessary (or when for the second time, giving her back all her lost mask images). I would never personally dream of DM'ing a dev and saying, really great scene with x and y...I caught this/that/the other (or worse, as you mention, demanding something). The dev ain't my/your friend...if I feel the need to say something like that I'll do it here and tag them or on their server, not DM them.

It's always good to be open to constructive criticism... It's too often a tendency to fall into the trap of trying to satisfy the needy sycophant. They can never be satisfied. That's why it's a mistake to try. The creative process demands a return to the original vision from time to time if only for the sake of balance...

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