MilesEdgeworth
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Im not sure if these posts are a threat or not at this point 
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DoverDad
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I don't know if just me but I get the feeling that Tess could drop Karlsson's Gambit soon I hope I am wrong on this oneIm not sure if these posts are a threat or not at this point
MilesEdgeworth
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I also got that impression too...
I guess that the best thing at this point is not to add more fuel to the fire.
Let's try to deescalate. There are plenty of topics in the game to talk about.
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Your game is great! I began to play it, even though I'm not a big fan of BDSM (I like it as soft games, but that's about it). I played your game as a "survival post apo", and really enjoy it, it's well written, interesting, has beautiful renders, and need one to pay attention and keeps one's wit to survive. I played but the beginning of your game (finished first evaluation K7 good (mostly)).
This being said, I write too (novels), I did an erotic novel, tried to be active on the net to promote it, and ended-up being contacted by some weirdos (dick pics, and other stuff I could have done without!).
So, I kinda understand what you're going through. I'd advise you, to take a breather, continue to create the way you feel and wish to do, for not too would be damaging to you in the long run, and if you can, avoid social medias. Put a safety layer between artist you and all these demanding people. Especially the ungrateful or disrespectful ones. There's but 24hrs in a day and one cannot create and post on social media at the same time, or write a book and being in every comecon too. Unfortunately nowadays people (non creative one) would like their favourites authors to write books, create games, and at the same time to be all present in the social medias, answer their queries and tailor their creations to their taste and desire.
So, ignore them, continue writing, creating, do your stuff, protect yourself from all this nonsense, take your time, and hopefully you'll finish this great game in a way that will satisfy you.
Your game is great! I began to play it, even though I'm not a big fan of BDSM (I like it as soft games, but that's about it). I played your game as a "survival post apo", and really enjoy it, it's well written, interesting, has beautiful renders, and need one to pay attention and keeps one's wit to survive. I played but the beginning of your game (finished first evaluation K7 good (mostly)).
This being said, I write too (novels), I did an erotic novel, tried to be active on the net to promote it, and ended-up being contacted by some weirdos (dick pics, and other stuff I could have done without!).
So, I kinda understand what you're going through. I'd advise you, to take a breather, continue to create the way you feel and wish to do, for not too would be damaging to you in the long run, and if you can, avoid social medias. Put a safety layer between artist you and all these demanding people. Especially the ungrateful or disrespectful ones. There's but 24hrs in a day and one cannot create and post on social media at the same time, or write a book and being in every comecon too. Unfortunately nowadays people (non creative one) would like their favourites authors to write books, create games, and at the same time to be all present in the social medias, answer their queries and tailor their creations to their taste and desire.
So, ignore them, continue writing, creating, do your stuff, protect yourself from all this nonsense, take your time, and hopefully you'll finish this great game in a way that will satisfy you.
Sharpshooter890
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I'm so tired of all this drama bullshit. I have no reason to either believe or doubt what Tess wrote, but has she heard of this little thing on the internet called 'the Streisand effect'? The more posts she makes in that vein, the more some people will want to stir the pot. Not even out of malice, but because they can. It's part of the internet 'culture', if you will. It's bizzare that Tess (for all her claims of being this or that) doesn't seem to understand this simple concept. Or she's doing this on purpose because she's bored and/or looks for an excuse to move on to do other things in life (which is perfectly fine, btw).
Being a creator of a pretty successful AVN will certainly put a spotlight on you, it's part of the job. Ignore button exists for a reason, I suggest she uses it.
Being a creator of a pretty successful AVN will certainly put a spotlight on you, it's part of the job. Ignore button exists for a reason, I suggest she uses it.
I think the main problem here, at least as I see it, is that Tess has been doing changes to the game routes/romances as she has seen fit/ was deemed needed for whatever reasons most of us don't know the exact details, while at the same time receiving backlash as if she did those changes to purposefully spite a concrete part of the players.
So it seems that Tess has gotten to a point, at least in her view, that if she can't make the game that she wants in the way that she wants, because she is constantly stressed/exhausted from people reaching to her/talking about her decisions, she may stop making the game altogether, and I may be naive here (or maybe she is), but I see her message more as a cry for people to let her do what she likes and how she likes to do it and try to enojy it, instead of constantly berating her, and that is why it may seem like a threat to some people.
Do not think that I'm defending Tess or trying to attack anyone here, just trying to share how I see the actual situation.
I personally like Karlsson Gambit a great deal and the conversations/debates of to where it's headed in the different routes, but I'm not a paying player so I enjoy the game as it comes, when it comes, as I do any other of the games I play, and if I stop enjoying them, then I stop playing them.
So it seems that Tess has gotten to a point, at least in her view, that if she can't make the game that she wants in the way that she wants, because she is constantly stressed/exhausted from people reaching to her/talking about her decisions, she may stop making the game altogether, and I may be naive here (or maybe she is), but I see her message more as a cry for people to let her do what she likes and how she likes to do it and try to enojy it, instead of constantly berating her, and that is why it may seem like a threat to some people.
Do not think that I'm defending Tess or trying to attack anyone here, just trying to share how I see the actual situation.
I personally like Karlsson Gambit a great deal and the conversations/debates of to where it's headed in the different routes, but I'm not a paying player so I enjoy the game as it comes, when it comes, as I do any other of the games I play, and if I stop enjoying them, then I stop playing them.
Stan5851
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Dover, communicating with someone without seeing the interlocutor (even virtually) is not the best solution. It also doesn't help that no one in this thread officially represents Tess herself, and if anyone is following the discussion, it's in read-only mode... But I'll try to answer...
1. Before you accuse me of all the deadly sins, adding me to the company of those guys, because of whose patreon DM posts Tess decided to cut part of the final Dom scene), it would be great if Anais took the time to read what I, Maviarab and some other players write in this thread.
I won't speak for others (not denying Maviarab's huge contribution in supporting this game), but I will answer for myself. Over the years, I have helped and am helping (to the best of my ability) players to better understand this game by giving hints and tips. In any conflicts that arise, I have always supported Tess and explained her position on many issues. I've heard accusations of sycophancy and sucking up to the developer (Tess) more than once against me, but that hasn't stopped me.
All these years I (as well as some other active players, such as the much respected Maviarab) have taken it upon myself to not only volunteer to help players, but also to communicate Tess' position on many issues of the game. So I'm the last person who can be accused of inappropriate behavior or anything like that. All of this is easy to verify - just use the search on the thread (with my nickname) and see for yourself.
So when Tess was forced to leave f95, myself and a small group of old-timers (including Maviarab and Silver_Crow117) sincerely tried to help and replace Tess' absence from this thread by volunteering to take on the job of...let's call it community managers..
But only we did and do it from the heart, no one pays us money for it... And we do it because we love this game, we respect Tess's talent and we want as many people as possible to share our passion.
I admit, my reaction was overly emotional and somewhat excessive and I had no intention of offending Tess, though it was largely provoked by other posts in this thread, left right after the Developer Diary was published, in which Tess said she was reducing the number of renders because a couple of inadequate patreon subscribers had written unacceptable things in her DM (as I understood it)...
Anyway, I sincerely apologize to Tess, even though it's not the best way to do it without seeing the person you're addressing it to. If I get the chance to do it directly (I'm banned on Tess's discord and have no way to do it in person), I'll certainly take it.
In closing, I can only say one thing: I'm very sorry that Tess is no longer in this thread. When she was here in person, it was truly a glorious time...And when Tess is nostalgic about how she and Anais did episode 5 of the game, I am nostalgic about when Tess was with us and we could communicate directly..
There were no conflicts and disagreements (and the rare inadequates were easy to ban), it was a close-knit and powerful community of like-minded people and people who shared common interests...Yes, I know what happened afterwards, the whole situation with hundreds of dickpicks in Tess's PM, with threats to commit suicide, etc...but no matter what,...it would be great if the role of at least a mediator between Tess and the community was taken by someone who could be trusted by players and trusted by Tess herself.
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MilesEdgeworth
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Sounds like she finally did hire a mediator as a last resort a Jake ( it would be cool if it was Karlsson's Jake). That being said, I wish she'd tone down the pats on the back that she does when writing these outs, that doesn't help matters. But yea regardless, this has been a good game and I've had a blast trying to figure it out with my fellow round group of supporters. So hopefully the situation is resolved. If not, I've had a blast debating y'all on what the clues mean in this game.
kinkyshin
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She hates us.
See, I always knew we were a happy, healthy community despite what people say about us.
DoverDad
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I was not accusing you of anything or putting you with the bad actors as tests put it I was just letting you know Tess was pissed at your comment was all
In the end, it's complicated.
While it seems unjust for Tess to inflict punishment on the supportive community for the thoughtless and immature antics of a few bad actors, it seems equally unjust to allow said bad actors to walk away with complete impunity.
In the end, the tactic that works the best for repressing such behavior is generally to punish the entire group, understanding that the community will come to police bad actors if their actions result in punishment to everyone.
Of course, the only way this can work is if the bad actors are called out and exposed for their actions so that this dynamic can come into play.
Don't hear me say that I want us all to be punished, but I recognize that this is a necessary evil to prevent these bad actors from continuing their behavior. Next time, they may attack someone who isn't as secure as Tess and do real harm.
In summary, if you are one of the people trying to push your will upon Tess through coercive means beyond humble requests, please come to recognize that your action are not resulting in your desires being accommodated and are actually doing harm, adapt your behavior to improve your results, and either join us in supporting Tess in her endeavor that she is sharing with us or stop subscribing to the game. You will be doing all of us, including yourselves, a favor.
While it seems unjust for Tess to inflict punishment on the supportive community for the thoughtless and immature antics of a few bad actors, it seems equally unjust to allow said bad actors to walk away with complete impunity.
In the end, the tactic that works the best for repressing such behavior is generally to punish the entire group, understanding that the community will come to police bad actors if their actions result in punishment to everyone.
Of course, the only way this can work is if the bad actors are called out and exposed for their actions so that this dynamic can come into play.
Don't hear me say that I want us all to be punished, but I recognize that this is a necessary evil to prevent these bad actors from continuing their behavior. Next time, they may attack someone who isn't as secure as Tess and do real harm.
In summary, if you are one of the people trying to push your will upon Tess through coercive means beyond humble requests, please come to recognize that your action are not resulting in your desires being accommodated and are actually doing harm, adapt your behavior to improve your results, and either join us in supporting Tess in her endeavor that she is sharing with us or stop subscribing to the game. You will be doing all of us, including yourselves, a favor.
Sharpshooter890
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Bugger me sideways, but I swear it's the same line of thought subby Kane employs in one of the new scenes. It is an erosion of the entire concept of justice and individual responsibility and I refuse to support it. The few people who harass her certainly do not post on this forum, as can be seen from a cordial and friendly way we discuss the game. Neither I, nor anyone here can do anything about the situation, only Tess (and her
P.S. I'm not critiquing you, the user, but your ideas.
Unfortunately, you are probably right (that the offending people are not present on F95). We can at least do our part to have Tess' back, given that she is giving us a well-written game for free. Maybe we can't do anything about the people causing it, but hopefully we can offset their negativity in some way.
That all said, I'm probably taking this better than I would if she were removing the good dom route (my preferred one). Even then, though, I try to tailor my actions to get results, and recognize that attacking, complaining, or even excessive fanboying will not lead to the results I want.
I express appreciation for Tess' work and otherwise let her do her thing.
That all said, I'm probably taking this better than I would if she were removing the good dom route (my preferred one). Even then, though, I try to tailor my actions to get results, and recognize that attacking, complaining, or even excessive fanboying will not lead to the results I want.
I express appreciation for Tess' work and otherwise let her do her thing.
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I hope that the 4-5 days Tess takes off post release are enough to put all of this behind her. Release time should be a joyous occasion, a celebration that you finished part of something you've started, and people get a chance to enjoy your work. Instead this just feels somber.
Cordial and Friendly hahaha I'm not saying you are personally an idiot, but the thing you said is an idiots cheap statement.
I think that was meant somewhat tongue-in-cheek.
Possibly so, but would be the first time i saw one of the "community managers" respond in a humorous way, over insults.
I think your point was more than valid, especially as even recently a user was put on blast here for comments that upset the Dev, kinda match point.
Dark Quean Olivia
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Tess is not giving anyone anything for free. You think Tess uploads the game here? There is no 'public' version after Final is released. It's here because someone leaks it and then 'you' get it for free. Some of us here do actually 'pay' for it.
Just pointing that out.
kinkyshin
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Gentlemen, it is once again time to discuss the identity of Grym Gudinna. AKA, 'white tips', (because she is the one with the Shinigami mask that has white tipped horns). AKA, The mysterious individual that spoke to Patricia early to discuss Kane, and then later spoke to the Gambit Queen. The sneaky individual that snuck Kane a bracelet on the Dom route. The very same individual that has captured both our hearts and minds.
Now then, without further ado, let's reveal the most likely candidate, Alessandra:
This is the worst photo I could find of her, yes. There is a lot of evidence that supports her being the culprit:
1. During the GrymGudinnaLives scene, Patricia meets with Alessandra.
2. Patricia has been taking orders from Alessandra for a while now. Alessandra ordered Patricia not to harm Kane in the prison.
3. Veronica also had a Shinigami mask, and the two of them are the only two Karlsson sisters to have trained under Kiyomi.
4. She does claim to be the only happy Karlsson sister.
5. The 'Truly be with, just fuck, enslave, or destroy' fits here. As she will truly be with a SS Kane, fuck a dom Kane, enslave a submissive Kane, and destroy any other Kane.
6. Apparently Tess has given strong hints that it's her? Though I will not be deterred by this!
7. Other reasons too probably.
HOWEVER...
A new challenger approaches...
Yes, Olivia.
This magnificent bitch has fooled her own father, her own mother, her siblings, and perhaps even us, the readers.
There have long since been theories that Olivia is a 'secret agent' and that it's her speaking to her father, Alexander Karlsson as he dies. With each update, these have become less of 'theories' and more like 'undeniable', until finally the last update was released where it was effectively proven to be true.
It was this line in the screenshot above that made me rethink everything for obvious reasons. But it also led to me revisiting the conversation with her father in the very first scene of the game.
If someone like Angelica is a beast, then Olivia is a behemoth. Olivia is a woman on a mission. She does not need Kane. She will test him, as she's been ordered to do, but she's going to take over regardless.
Now then, lets start off with the reasons why we've all written Olivia off as Grym Gudinna:
1) How could she have sunk her claws into Patricia? Well, we don't know where she's been. She's a busy girl.
2) How could she have 'darkness', my Olivia is a good person! Well, clearly we don't know what she does off camera. She's been very, very sneaky thus far. I think she has done some terribly vile stuff off camera that we don't know about. Why? Because it supports my argument.
3) When Callista speaks to her, she talks about Olivia in third person! True...
With that out of the way, let's talk about why it could be her, starting off with the most important piece of evidence of all...
Why would Callista be helping any other sister win the gambit besides Olivia? And she specifically says she wants Olivia to win it to Elena as if it wasn't already obvious.
But let's go through the Callista and Grym Gudinna secret meeting.
Also, Olivia trained under the same person as Kiyomi, Ying Yue, so it's not unthinkable that she would have a cool Shinigami mask! Alessandra wants her sisters to kill Olivia. Elena has made a comment that they're all scared of her, and then Dominique and Juliette began targeting Kane/Seth hoping it's a weak point for Olivia.
And there you have it folks, undeniable proof that Olivia is Grym Gudinna!
Btw, none of this should be taken too seriously... But, hey, who knows. Maybe?
Now then, without further ado, let's reveal the most likely candidate, Alessandra:
This is the worst photo I could find of her, yes. There is a lot of evidence that supports her being the culprit:
1. During the GrymGudinnaLives scene, Patricia meets with Alessandra.
2. Patricia has been taking orders from Alessandra for a while now. Alessandra ordered Patricia not to harm Kane in the prison.
3. Veronica also had a Shinigami mask, and the two of them are the only two Karlsson sisters to have trained under Kiyomi.
4. She does claim to be the only happy Karlsson sister.
5. The 'Truly be with, just fuck, enslave, or destroy' fits here. As she will truly be with a SS Kane, fuck a dom Kane, enslave a submissive Kane, and destroy any other Kane.
6. Apparently Tess has given strong hints that it's her? Though I will not be deterred by this!
7. Other reasons too probably.
HOWEVER...
A new challenger approaches...
Yes, Olivia.
This magnificent bitch has fooled her own father, her own mother, her siblings, and perhaps even us, the readers.
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There have long since been theories that Olivia is a 'secret agent' and that it's her speaking to her father, Alexander Karlsson as he dies. With each update, these have become less of 'theories' and more like 'undeniable', until finally the last update was released where it was effectively proven to be true.
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It was this line in the screenshot above that made me rethink everything for obvious reasons. But it also led to me revisiting the conversation with her father in the very first scene of the game.
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If someone like Angelica is a beast, then Olivia is a behemoth. Olivia is a woman on a mission. She does not need Kane. She will test him, as she's been ordered to do, but she's going to take over regardless.
Now then, lets start off with the reasons why we've all written Olivia off as Grym Gudinna:
1) How could she have sunk her claws into Patricia? Well, we don't know where she's been. She's a busy girl.
2) How could she have 'darkness', my Olivia is a good person! Well, clearly we don't know what she does off camera. She's been very, very sneaky thus far. I think she has done some terribly vile stuff off camera that we don't know about. Why? Because it supports my argument.
3) When Callista speaks to her, she talks about Olivia in third person! True...
With that out of the way, let's talk about why it could be her, starting off with the most important piece of evidence of all...
Why would Callista be helping any other sister win the gambit besides Olivia? And she specifically says she wants Olivia to win it to Elena as if it wasn't already obvious.
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But let's go through the Callista and Grym Gudinna secret meeting.
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Also, Olivia trained under the same person as Kiyomi, Ying Yue, so it's not unthinkable that she would have a cool Shinigami mask! Alessandra wants her sisters to kill Olivia. Elena has made a comment that they're all scared of her, and then Dominique and Juliette began targeting Kane/Seth hoping it's a weak point for Olivia.
And there you have it folks, undeniable proof that Olivia is Grym Gudinna!
Btw, none of this should be taken too seriously... But, hey, who knows. Maybe?