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It's not verified in the story yet, but it's pretty much understood to be
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. The big scene that convinced most people was at the dom ceremony where Juliette decides to fuck with the Decocks by shit-talking Kane and her reaction is supposed to be a hint as to her relationship to Kane according to Tess
It would be nice have a gallery or a library inside the game where we can see and read about the characters, like lore of the game.
I don´t remember at all who is Nadia and it´s not the fisrt time this happen to me in this game, there are so many characters and i don´t remember half of them :ROFLMAO: .

Do you know guys if Tess will add functions like a gallery or a character library in some actualization? It would be good for the game :unsure:
 

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and yet that structure is weak which is unable to hold on without violence within itself.
A weak ruler is one who is unable to convince (without violence) his subordinates with words to do what needs to be done.
the message of the game is that the structure must be weak in order to rely on slaves and violence. You don’t need a strong director, you don’t need a director who is able to convince his subordinates that what needs to be done correctly.
This is what I read between the lines.
MC is forced in every possible way by his environment to be weak and show violence.
this VN is a kind of anti-utopia.
 
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It would be nice have a gallery or a library inside the game where we can see and read about the characters, like lore of the game.
I don´t remember at all who is Nadia and it´s not the fisrt time this happen to me in this game, there are so many characters and i don´t remember half of them :ROFLMAO: .

Do you know guys if Tess will add functions like a gallery or a character library in some actualization? It would be good for the game :unsure:
I understand what you're saying, a character library like the one that exists in "Desert Stalker" would make life easier for players who have forgotten a lot, but I'm afraid that creating such a library would only delay the already slow production of the game. Besides, we have enough detailed that it's easy to navigate. As for the gallery, Sancho1969 made an accessible gallery of all game scenes in his mod..
 

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and yet that structure is weak which is unable to hold on without violence within itself.
A weak ruler is one who is unable to convince (without violence) his subordinates with words to do what needs to be done.
the message of the game is that the structure must be weak in order to rely on slaves and violence. You don’t need a strong director, you don’t need a director who is able to convince his subordinates that what needs to be done correctly.
This is what I read between the lines.
MC is forced in every possible way by his environment to be weak and show violence.
this VN is a kind of anti-utopia.
You and I have probably played different games. In my game, most of the women surrounding Dom Kane argued that a lot was expected of him, and to reach the top, Kane had to be smart and strong, but by no means weak. (I'll leave Alessandra and her "dom in public, sub in the bedroom" quirks aside, because even with her you can do whatever you want, and for Dom players there are 2 great scenes with her and her girlfriend). As for the cruelty, well, that's just the way the world works. If Alexander Karlsson hadn't been abused by mysterious sadistic women in his time, his own daughters wouldn't have grown up so evil and spoiled. But Kane and Olivia managed to escape this curse, so if you want to make a difference in this world, it's all in your hands.
 

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It would be nice have a gallery or a library inside the game where we can see and read about the characters, like lore of the game.
I don´t remember at all who is Nadia and it´s not the fisrt time this happen to me in this game, there are so many characters and i don´t remember half of them :ROFLMAO: .

Do you know guys if Tess will add functions like a gallery or a character library in some actualization? It would be good for the game :unsure:
Regarding this, I am making a wiki for Karlsson's gambit. I made the Karlsson_Group_relationships before, but I wanted something where we could have more detail. Also, a place to add lore that is difficult to fit into the game itself without too much exposition.

I've added most of the characters already along with their infoboxes, and I'm working on adding the rest. All that remains is populating the wiki with content. I'll be doing it, but on my own, it will take a long time to complete. So if anyone wants to add/edit to this wiki, you're welcome. Please create an account so it's easier to track. Here's the link to the Wiki.
 

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I understand what you're saying, a character library like the one that exists in "Desert Stalker" would make life easier for players who have forgotten a lot, but I'm afraid that creating such a library would only delay the already slow production of the game. Besides, we have enough detailed that it's easy to navigate. As for the gallery, Sancho1969 made an accessible gallery of all game scenes in his mod..
That´s exactly what i mean. Of course it will delay futures updates but i still thinking it can be good for the game, at least at some point in the story like we are now where all characters are known and only would be make it once and that´s it, i don´t think we will see many news characters in future updates because all is good established now (but this would´t bother me).

About Sancho´s mod seems like that dude is a really good mod maker, i have seen his comments about mods in many games and i´m pretty sure his works are delightfull, i don´t usually use mods because i prefer vanilla versions but if Tess can´t give us an official gallery then i will take cheerfully the mod (y)

Thanks for the Pdf ,i didn´t know this and it´s really usefull

Regarding this, I am making a wiki for Karlsson's gambit. I made the Karlsson_Group_relationships before, but I wanted something where we could have more detail. Also, a place to add lore that is difficult to fit into the game itself without too much exposition.

I've added most of the characters already along with their infoboxes, and I'm working on adding the rest. All that remains is populating the wiki with content. I'll be doing it, but on my own, it will take a long time to complete. So if anyone wants to add/edit to this wiki, you're welcome. Please create an account so it's easier to track. Here's the link to the Wiki.
Thanks mate! I always love wikis and i aprecciate the pdf, that´s some good work! (y), if we can´t have an official gallery or wiki inside the game it´s good players do it.

But is a serious work, i mean, i don´t think i can contribute in your project because i don´t remember so much about the game now, only the basics :cry::LOL:.
 
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Does anyone have any news regarding the release date of the update?
Here, read:

Hi everyone!
I am up a little later today (almost lunch yikes) as I worked on a lot of stuff over the weekend!
I am now up to 1,939 renders and should cross 2,000 renders this week!
I will likely do a public post next weekend, and also do a hardcore play test of everything I have in detail and start setting up saves and other things to try and get me more towards the finish line!
This week here is Thanksgiving but I'm also basically not doing much for the office, so it should balance out I think to a kind of semi-normal week.
I am hoping to get to the end of this month with the sub path really deep and getting close to done, but my task list is a bit long hehe...
I am hoping to talk about release possibilities soon. I am very wary of doing this before some testing because it's a transfer to a new type of episode with a small update but transferring saves over, etc. But hopefully it goes smooth!
The haircut poll was very interesting! After I extensively tested the three main haircuts that were kind of close, the one that won actually kind of worked the best for me. I didn't expect that with my first initial generic test, but in a real environment, it looked a lot better!
For those of you that celebrate Thanksgiving this week, please have a great time! Even if you don't, always cherish the people that give your life meaning and thank them...try to have a great week!
 
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You and I have probably played different games. In my game, most of the women surrounding Dom Kane argued that a lot was expected of him, and to reach the top, Kane had to be smart and strong, but by no means weak. (I'll leave Alessandra and her "dom in public, sub in the bedroom" quirks aside, because even with her you can do whatever you want, and for Dom players there are 2 great scenes with her and her girlfriend). As for the cruelty, well, that's just the way the world works. If Alexander Karlsson hadn't been abused by mysterious sadistic women in his time, his own daughters wouldn't have grown up so evil and spoiled. But Kane and Olivia managed to escape this curse, so if you want to make a difference in this world, it's all in your hands.
that is, you need to understand that all these dom-ladies are actually just tsunderes... well, kind of... hehe =)
 
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It would be nice have a gallery or a library inside the game where we can see and read about the characters, like lore of the game.
I don´t remember at all who is Nadia and it´s not the fisrt time this happen to me in this game, there are so many characters and i don´t remember half of them :ROFLMAO: .

Do you know guys if Tess will add functions like a gallery or a character library in some actualization? It would be good for the game :unsure:
I'm honestly not sure how to make this optional versus just there or not there (if anyone knows let me know!) but can try and look at this, it might have to be an edit after 0.2 as I feel like I am almost about to get into the abyss of only focusing on finishing this update very soon. I have added this to a list of feature things I would like later, the biggest one being a phone UI type thing for both characters to check some things, etc. (that one definitely wouldn't be until at least 0.3 or later)
That was in 2020, it never got added because her limitation with coding and was never mentioned again.

This definitely makes sense. I will try and even enlist the help of a more tech oriented person if necessary. (I'm barely able to just code the normal dialogue, lol)
 
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that is, you need to understand that all these dom-ladies are actually just tsunderes... well, kind of... hehe =)
I understand what you're saying, but I would clarify that many sadistic women in JoyFacility are different. What you compared to tsundere's behavior is, in my opinion, just the tip of the iceberg and it doesn't come from a good life, but from the fact that JoyFacility has a catastrophic lack of strong and confident men. So, of course, when all these dominant ladies saw such a confident guy like our Kane, many of them, what is called "flowed". In fact, this is mentioned in the game, where many of these dominant women complain to Kane about the lack of real, self-confident men around them.

However, I wouldn't simplify things down to the "tsundere" archetype, because beyond the basic needs of sex and a man, all the Karlsson sisters (and other girls) are very different, each with their own character and behavior. Some have given themselves over to animal sadism that ends in the death of slaves (Juliette Karlsson) and she needs an equally unscrupulous and sadistic partner to start an affair with.

Someone (Veronica), who is very flexible and able to change under the influence of the player, hides her interest in men behind a cold scientific detachment, and her brilliant intellect does not allow her to sink to the animal level of the same Juliette. At the same time, she is very choosy, and if we remember her possible romance with Kane, the preconditions for it were laid in childhood.

Some have been able to resist the legacy of Alexander's upbringing and their animal instincts and are on the edge, but are able to change for the better (e.g. Dominique, confused by her feelings and desires and waiting for someone with a strong-willed hand to steer her in the right direction (though, unlike that "flexible" Veronica, Elena and Olivia, she has an average flexibility rating).

Or take Alessandra, whose angelic appearance and deceptive, "lazy" harmlessness hides a rather cruel woman, ready to kill slaves and even try to kill her sisters, just to get closer to her (as it seems to her) moment of triumph in "Gambit". And how much we'll be able to remake her to suit ourselves remains to be seen (average flexibility rating). There's not enough space to describe the personalities of each of them in detail anyway, so let's move on.

The "third level" (you can consider this my reflections based on those posts of Tess that I saw in this thread) - Tess's own preferences.

I don't know if you're aware of this, but Tess is a practicing dominant (Mistress) IRL, and femdom is much closer to her than most authors of games in this genre (not to mention many players). However, by Tess's own admission, she is only ready for a loving relationship with a strong and confident man.

Here is one such post, (from what I was able to find).
Ironically, the kinks that REALLY get me going are more rare in my own game. Like one example, my ideal relationship with a man (in terms of femdom for real life with the right person I would actually care about) isn't really in the game yet, but will be introduced in 0.6 to some extent with Alessandra for a few people on that path. I can admit the more sadistic stuff is much more about men I would not view as caring relationship material but just err something else. But I love romance actually, so this is harder to do as well in this universe, but I will try on some level.
And it seems to me that all those many references by the dominant female characters that Kane (Dom) needs to be strong, smart, and confident to win in the end is one of Tess' messages to the male players: "In the bedroom, in role-playing with your partner, you can play any role you want, but outside of it, you should be a confident, attentive and reliable partner whose strong shoulder your beloved woman can lean on.

As for the purpose of creating the game itself, here's what Tess writes about it. (This is to the question of the dystopian world that you mentioned earlier).
My primary purpose was not to make a femdom game only, but rather a game which explores the highs and lows of humanity in a dystopian world where one can truly be corrupted (or not) by extreme power. I want to emphasize that it is very important to me that there is a HIGH and LOW path to some extent. My favorite kinds of stories for say something like KG or any other future project is the idea of a character having real conflict with possible paths to take in life...and what they do about it.
 
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ready to kill slaves and even try to kill her sisters
I see in this phrase a kind of hint that we may have to save the sisters from themselves. frankly speaking, even with all my dislike for the same Juliett, I completely disagree with her possible killing. or if it's Veronica or Dominica... yes. they need to be saved from themselves so that they do not harm themselves because of hot-headed stupidity*. apparently these sisters with their power are like monkeys with grenades. they are dangerous to themselves and others.
MC must take away the power from them and turn all four of them into his tame cats - become a good daddy for them, because perhaps these girls have “daddy issues” - these girls can set the world on fire.
they were not given a little more childhood, while Olivia's childhood was nothing like that.


*shit! oh, who would have saved me at one time from this ardent stupidity when with my own hands I destroyed all the possibilities for my own successful life...
 

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I see in this phrase a kind of hint that we may have to save the sisters from themselves. frankly speaking, even with all my dislike for the same Juliett, I completely disagree with her possible killing. or if it's Veronica or Dominica... yes. they need to be saved from themselves so that they do not harm themselves because of hot-headed stupidity*. apparently these sisters with their power are like monkeys with grenades. they are dangerous to themselves and others.
MC must take away the power from them and turn all four of them into his tame cats - become a good daddy for them, because perhaps these girls have “daddy issues” - these girls can set the world on fire.
they were not given a little more childhood, while Olivia's childhood was nothing like that.


*shit! oh, who would have saved me at one time from this ardent stupidity when with my own hands I destroyed all the possibilities for my own successful life...
While nice on paper and ideal word situation, you're never taming Juliette. Ever. Alessandra....there's a possibility, but if you were paying attention to dialogue between these characters and Dominique/Veronica, they will not be happy with being sidelined and being allowed a little 'freedom'...2 of them are more than happy to remove the competition to advance their own agenda's.

So on the good/dom route (which in likelihood is the cannon story along with being with good/dom Olivia), then you/we have a problem. A big problem. Sure, they may concede defeat on a vote when KaneVia take over the company....BUT...and this is a major but....they do still run specific branches of the organisation and if they are prepared to remove a sister or two, we (and by definition Olivia) are certainly well within their firing line (depending on our standing with them).

How much 'freedom' exactly do we allow them to indulge in their 'lifestyle'....because 2 of the sisters are sure as hell never going to change their ways. They are too far ingrained in their personalities/traits now to ever change.

(all the above dependent on how Tess wants the actual story to play out..but all the above has already been either factually stated in game, or very heavily hinted at. I can only imagine the coding branches if the sisters start to off each other....the variables are mad depending on the already highly convulated branching paths that exist).
 
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That was in 2020, it never got added because her limitation with coding and was never mentioned again.
I began here in 2021 so i didn´t know her comment, thanks for telling!

I suposse now she has more habilities and she knows how to do that, but probabbly she discarded that options, seeing we are now in half of the story.

Mods help much too, when players do this thing devs can think "Why would I bother doing that if they have already made a mod?"(and this have sense too)

Maybe we will watch new things in her futures projects.
 
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I understand what you're saying, but I would clarify that many sadistic women in JoyFacility are different. What you compared to tsundere's behavior is, in my opinion, just the tip of the iceberg and it doesn't come from a good life, but from the fact that JoyFacility has a catastrophic lack of strong and confident men. So, of course, when all these dominant ladies saw such a confident guy like our Kane, many of them, what is called "flowed". In fact, this is mentioned in the game, where many of these dominant women complain to Kane about the lack of real, self-confident men around them.

However, I wouldn't simplify things down to the "tsundere" archetype, because beyond the basic needs of sex and a man, all the Karlsson sisters (and other girls) are very different, each with their own character and behavior. Some have given themselves over to animal sadism that ends in the death of slaves (Juliette Karlsson) and she needs an equally unscrupulous and sadistic partner to start an affair with.

Someone (Veronica), who is very flexible and able to change under the influence of the player, hides her interest in men behind a cold scientific detachment, and her brilliant intellect does not allow her to sink to the animal level of the same Juliette. At the same time, she is very choosy, and if we remember her possible romance with Kane, the preconditions for it were laid in childhood.

Some have been able to resist the legacy of Alexander's upbringing and their animal instincts and are on the edge, but are able to change for the better (e.g. Dominique, confused by her feelings and desires and waiting for someone with a strong-willed hand to steer her in the right direction (though, unlike that "flexible" Veronica, Elena and Olivia, she has an average flexibility rating).

Or take Alessandra, whose angelic appearance and deceptive, "lazy" harmlessness hides a rather cruel woman, ready to kill slaves and even try to kill her sisters, just to get closer to her (as it seems to her) moment of triumph in "Gambit". And how much we'll be able to remake her to suit ourselves remains to be seen (average flexibility rating). There's not enough space to describe the personalities of each of them in detail anyway, so let's move on.

The "third level" (you can consider this my reflections based on those posts of Tess that I saw in this thread) - Tess's own preferences.

I don't know if you're aware of this, but Tess is a practicing dominant (Mistress) IRL, and femdom is much closer to her than most authors of games in this genre (not to mention many players). However, by Tess's own admission, she is only ready for a loving relationship with a strong and confident man.

Here is one such post, (from what I was able to find).
And it seems to me that all those many references by the dominant female characters that Kane (Dom) needs to be strong, smart, and confident to win in the end is one of Tess' messages to the male players: "In the bedroom, in role-playing with your partner, you can play any role you want, but outside of it, you should be a confident, attentive and reliable partner whose strong shoulder your beloved woman can lean on.

As for the purpose of creating the game itself, here's what Tess writes about it. (This is to the question of the dystopian world that you mentioned earlier).
Can’t wait to see how Veronica’s Sub path!! Especially since she Can romance a sub! IMG_8477.jpeg
 

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MC must take away the power from them and turn all four of them into his tame cats - become a good daddy for them, because perhaps these girls have “daddy issues” - these girls can set the world on fire.
they were not given a little more childhood, while Olivia's childhood was nothing like that.
While nice on paper and ideal word situation, you're never taming Juliette. Ever. Alessandra....there's a possibility, but if you were paying attention to dialogue between these characters and Dominique/Veronica, they will not be happy with being sidelined and being allowed a little 'freedom'...2 of them are more than happy to remove the competition to advance their own agenda's.

So on the good/dom route (which in likelihood is the cannon story along with being with good/dom Olivia), then you/we have a problem. A big problem. Sure, they may concede defeat on a vote when KaneVia take over the company....BUT...and this is a major but....they do still run specific branches of the organisation and if they are prepared to remove a sister or two, we (and by definition Olivia) are certainly well within their firing line (depending on our standing with them).

How much 'freedom' exactly do we allow them to indulge in their 'lifestyle'....because 2 of the sisters are sure as hell never going to change their ways. They are too far ingrained in their personalities/traits now to ever change.

(all the above dependent on how Tess wants the actual story to play out..but all the above has already been either factually stated in game, or very heavily hinted at. I can only imagine the coding branches if the sisters start to off each other....the variables are mad depending on the already highly convulated branching paths that exist).
Having a harem of obedient sisters is very tempting for many dom-players. However, it is not so unrealistic as it may seem against the background of Juliette's complete incorrigibility or Alessandra's "average readiness" to obey our rigid will. But who says that in this brutal post-apocalyptic world the harem has to be necessarily orientalistically cute and Kane Dom has to fulfill the role of a caring father for sisters deprived of a normal childhood?

These girls are old enough and smart enough to understand perfectly well who they are and how things came to be. Even sociopathic Juliet understands perfectly well who she is and takes it as a given, not intending to change in the slightest. So a different fate awaits those who are unwilling to reform themselves.That's what Tess writes about it.
From a few private PMs over the last month (sorry!) plus:
3. No, there probably isn't a pure harem ending with Juliette/Dominique/Alessandra/Veronica given their extreme differences in some respects so it's hard to make narrative sense, but there may be endings with one or more of them, and the others could be enslaved/subservient/Mistress/dominant over/under you, etc. So some possibilities there, but not likely a pure Dom Kane with 4 equal women, by definition, it's more likely one is your romantic partner, and others are just bodies to use, etc.
And if what is written here is realized 100%, I will be very satisfied. And I would love to try to get to the top with my beloved Olivia and/or lovely Veronica as LI (together or separately) and the rest of the sisters as our future personal slaves. :sneaky:
 
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