VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.2B Final] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[Maviarab]

So if the world is at an end (and given what we know of the next story from Tess, that's likely...), then Cole has been working/researching for nothing. That also means, so have Veronica and Dominique...so that in itself leads to some questions.

1. Is Coles research just rubbish and it really is an exile.
2. Did they once believe they could fix things but now Veronica believes it's untennable?
3. If either of the first two, surely, from what we know of Cole, he'd know this already...he's supposed to be the best. Surely at some point over the last 20 odd years, he'd realise it was all futile...no?

I've also had another crazy (or maybe not so) thought. Following on from the above:

Why would the world's best botanist continue doing something he knew was untennable...

Tess has now set a precedent with the KiyomiDoor flag being 4 episodes earlier affecting something in 08. So:

Suppose the world can be saved...

ky "Otto. I'm sorry, but I can't just stand by and let this happen. We need to work on a solution that keeps him here."
        ky "His work is best done right on this spot...and this is more important than anything else."
        scene e8js29 with mediumdissolve
        otto "You realize if I don't try to return with Cole...peace might be gone right away as it is..."
        ky "Maybe. But a little extra undisturbed work for him...even a single day...a few days...a week...might make all the difference."
        ky "Even an extra small window of time here could result in a breakthrough..."
        scene e8js30 with mediumdissolve

Suppose that extra week (or longer if ignore my previous comments about Cole probably being rescued a week later anyway)....is actually the key to saving the planet and Veronica has made another (very rare) miscalculation. That scene is flagged with ColeHome if you have KiyomiDoor flag set. If in the story...Cole was always going to be rescued imminently...why the need for a flag in that scene specifically? Yes, the flag could relate to something else I guess in Part 2 perhaps...but maybe it might be used much...much later...an end world state where we fix everything for a brighter future?

Remember: Choice at temple with Olivia.

"Self Sacrifice" Flag=Utu: Šamaš (Sumerian Utu) is the god of the sun. He brings light and warmth to the land...or...
"I can't answer" Flag = Enki: Sumerian god of water, knowledge (gestú), crafts (gašam), and creation (nudimmud), and one of the Anunnaki

Thoughts?

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While we're on the subject of Nadia, how does the conversation in Ep. 8 go if you didn't save Nurse Reyes? In the "Save" path, Veronica is clearly pissed, I just don't know if it's because of the near-fatal accident (and jeopardizing Kane, and thereby half of the Gambit's objectives) or because Miss Control Freak couldn't keep a lone hacker (without a botnet apparently) out of her systems for years now.

No idea myself, when given chance I always do save her....lemme check script.

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[YuNobi1]

I've also had another crazy (or maybe not so) thought. Following on from the above:

Why would the world's best botanist continue doing something he knew was untennable...

Tess has now set a precedent with the KiyomiDoor flag being 4 episodes earlier affecting something in 08. So:

Suppose the world can be saved...

ky "Otto. I'm sorry, but I can't just stand by and let this happen. We need to work on a solution that keeps him here."
        ky "His work is best done right on this spot...and this is more important than anything else."
        scene e8js29 with mediumdissolve
        otto "You realize if I don't try to return with Cole...peace might be gone right away as it is..."
        ky "Maybe. But a little extra undisturbed work for him...even a single day...a few days...a week...might make all the difference."
        ky "Even an extra small window of time here could result in a breakthrough..."
        scene e8js30 with mediumdissolve

Suppose that extra week (or longer if ignore my previous comments about Cole probably being rescued a week later anyway)....is actually the key to saving the planet and Veronica has made another (very rare) miscalculation. That scene is flagged with ColeHome if you have KiyomiDoor flag set. If in the story...Cole was always going to be rescued imminently...why the need for a flag in that scene specifically? Yes, the flag could relate to something else I guess in Part 2 perhaps...but maybe it might be used much...much later...an end world state where we fix everything for a brighter future?

Remember: Choice at temple with Olivia.

"Self Sacrifice" Flag=Utu: Šamaš (Sumerian Utu) is the god of the sun. He brings light and warmth to the land...or...
"I can't answer" Flag = Enki: Sumerian god of water, knowledge (gestú), crafts (gašam), and creation (nudimmud), and one of the Anunnaki

Thoughts?

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No idea myself, when given chance I always do save her....lemme check script.

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Veronica's such a manipulative lying bitch. "If you had turned down the game show, you would be farther along with me on that issue."
No he wouldn't, Bitch. All you do in that scene is ensure it's the first time Kane hears the words "Karlsson Gambit" and that nobody has leaked what it is to him. You still give no information, or advice, leaving Kane in objectively a worse position because now he's aware of another reason to distrust you (especially since you just revealed you're the reason he can't get any answers).

 

[Maviarab]

Veronica's such a manipulative lying bitch. "If you had turned down the game show, you would be farther along with me on that issue."
No he wouldn't, Bitch. All you do in that scene is ensure it's the first time Kane hears the words "Karlsson Gambit" and that nobody has leaked what it is to him. You still give no information, or advice, leaving Kane in objectively a worse position because now he's aware of another reason to distrust you (especially since you just revealed you're the reason he can't get any answers).

Heh, did you mean to quote me then Yu?

 

[YuNobi1]

Heh, did you mean to quote me then Yu?

In reference to the scene, yes. Sorry, her character just keeps getting worse. I tried to give her the benefit of the doubt, but she doesn't deserve it.

 

[Maviarab]

In reference to the scene, yes.

Ahh right yes...sorry, forgot put my post and your quote together to avoid double posting. I should probably not have done that in hindsight. Oh well. I do agree with you completely though....even if you do skip the Game Show, she still doesn't tell you anything...more riddles and misdirection...

 

[Sancho1969]

Thoughts?

I have one thought as to not using variables as possible clues per se (don't rely on them too much). Many are made that mean nothing at all. I can't finger-wag at Tess for doing this though as many devs get trapped by not setting variables at locations early in story and later find that they wished they had... just letting you know it's a thing.

 

[Sancho1969]

I don't mean they are useless... not by a long shot. Just take into consideration than many many variables across a massive VN tend to be nothing-burgers imo.

 

[Maviarab]

I have one thought as to not using variables as possible clues per se (don't rely on them too much). Many are made that mean nothing at all. I can't finger-wag at Tess for doing this though as many devs get trapped by not setting variables at locations early in story and later find that they wished they had... just letting you know it's a thing.

I don't mean they are useless... not by a long shot. Just take into consideration than many many variables across a massive VN tend to be nothing-burgers imo.

Yeah no Iget you...and have seen it myself...it's a fair point.

Was a good theory too.....

 

[Sancho1969]

Veronica's such a manipulative lying bitch. "If you had turned down the game show, you would be farther along with me on that issue."
No he wouldn't, Bitch. All you do in that scene is ensure it's the first time Kane hears the words "Karlsson Gambit" and that nobody has leaked what it is to him. You still give no information, or advice, leaving Kane in objectively a worse position because now he's aware of another reason to distrust you (especially since you just revealed you're the reason he can't get any answers).

Damn, I might need to pour a glass early 'cause I'll certainly drink to that. 100% agree. No way in hell I'm turning down the show.

 

[Sancho1969]

Was a good theory too.....

Still may be one... we're all proving that this tangled web needs some dialogue cleanup and will be one helluva challenge to unravel for our dear dev. I hope like hell she storyboarded this VN before starting it... or things could get real ugly later on.

 

[Maviarab]

Still may be one... we're all proving that this tangled web needs some dialogue cleanup and will be one helluva challenge to unravel for our dear dev. I hope like hell she storyboarded this VN before starting it... or things could get real ugly later on.

As for dialogue clean up...sure Stan5851 will post a screenshot but Tess just mentioned that the Kane dialogue with Olivia right after seeing Elena is..in fact...a mistake.

MilesEdgeworth

 

[SevySub]

Does anyone know the source of the song FarewellAlexander.mp3? It is one of the songs of the Alexander's temple scene (season 1), and it's amazingly beautiful. Who did it?

 

[Sancho1969]

*gets today's first adult beverage*

I feel like we're a Rogan podcast... and all being Jamie fact checking each other

*sips from the Crown & Coke*

So glad I didn't spend the day in the BaDIK thread, I would have been banned from the site by now.

 

[Maviarab]

I feel like we're a Rogan podcast... and all being Jamie fact checking each other

This thread does have it's moments lol

So glad I didn't spend the day in the BaDIK thread, I would have been banned from the site by now

Probably a wise idea...I've not visited that thread in a looonnnng time...I got fed up with it after Ep6 I think. Toxic place.

 

[Jacowboy]

Whoa I finally played this one... great game... needs some narrative clean-ups here and there, but a really solid story and overall good writing. It is quite confusing at the begining too, but it's probably too late to fix that.

Funny, I avoided this game for a while because I thought it was a femdom fuckfest (based on comments), and it turns out there's not even that many sex scenes... okay, granted I only played the "dom" path, but still, for the overall lenght, yeah, not that much of a fuckfest.

I was considering doing another run in order to gain one more sponsor, but I'm not even sure if that changes anything... I got Veronica first, but I saw you could first get Dominique and then gain Veronica... not sure it's worth replaying all that tho. I suppose it'd be just more interesting to do like a sub path with the worst possible choices I guess...

Anyways, yeah... it was cool I guess.

Oh also: The game DESPERATELY needs a new logo and new chapter screens... those look really really low quality =(

 

[Stan5851]

As for dialogue clean up...sure Stan5851 will post a screenshot but Tess just mentioned that the Kane dialogue with Olivia right after seeing Elena is..in fact...a mistake.

MilesEdgeworth

You are right, but as promised, I am posting Tess's response.

So, our KaneDom is no stupid and it was just a mistake. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯(no big deal, the important thing is that we got it sorted out)...and I'll assume that maybe Tess will even release 0.8.1b with dialogue fixes (if enough of them accumulate to make a new version)..Well, at least that would make sense.

MilesEdgeworth

 

[YuNobi1]

Whoa I finally played this one... great game... needs some narrative clean-ups here and there, but a really solid story and overall good writing. It is quite confusing at the begining too, but it's probably too late to fix that.

Funny, I avoided this game for a while because I thought it was a femdom fuckfest (based on comments), and it turns out there's not even that many sex scenes... okay, granted I only played the "dom" path, but still, for the overall lenght, yeah, not that much of a fuckfest.

I was considering doing another run in order to gain one more sponsor, but I'm not even sure if that changes anything... I got Veronica first, but I saw you could first get Dominique and then gain Veronica... not sure it's worth replaying all that tho. I suppose it'd be just more interesting to do like a sub path with the worst possible choices I guess...

Anyways, yeah... it was cool I guess.

Oh also: The game DESPERATELY needs a new logo and new chapter screens... those look really really low quality =(

The sponsorship hasn't really been utilized outside of a sex scene in Ep. 7 with your first sponsor. Getting Dominique's sponsorship first will get you K7 by End of Day 4/Ep. 4, and that will give you a lead with each promotion point, but I believe you might be able to promote 2 ranks on Day 5 if you work it right. There is a story path that seems locked to [Good] Dominique's sponsorship, but I'm not aware of any such threads for other sponsors. Yes you can gain Veronica after Dominique, in fact she tells you to do so, else you will make her angry. It also looks like you can gain Alessandra's sponsorship, but for everyone that is only after the Gameshow (if you do what she likes in said show).

 

[Maviarab]

I was considering doing another run in order to gain one more sponsor, but I'm not even sure if that changes anything... I got Veronica first, but I saw you could first get Dominique and then gain Veronica... not sure it's worth replaying all that tho. I suppose it'd be just more interesting to do like a sub path with the worst possible choices I guess...

Max you can get currently is 3 sponsors (and a mentor)...but they don't do a great deal...yet. Yes, you should try a K1/2 run with a GoodSubKane/EvilDomOlivia hehe...hahaha...muhahaha haaa ha ahaaaaaaaaaaaa.....

Oh also: The game DESPERATELY needs a new logo and new chapter screens... those look really really low quality =(

I've literally (an hour ago) given Tess all her mask images, cut out and cleaned up (she lost a lot in a SSD crash), especially so she can clean up the Chapter 8 title card. I've offered to redo/do all her chapter cards going forward which was met with enthusiasm.

The sponsorship hasn't really been utilized outside of a sex scene in Ep. 7 with your first sponsor. Getting Dominique's sponsorship first will get you K7 by End of Day 4/Ep. 4, and that will give you a lead with each promotion point, but I believe you might be able to promote 2 ranks on Day 5 if you work it right. There is a story path that seems locked to [Good] Dominique's sponsorship, but I'm not aware of any such threads for other sponsors. Yes you can gain Veronica after Dominique, in fact she tells you to do so, else you will make her angry. It also looks like you can gain Alessandra's sponsorship, but for everyone that is only after the Gameshow (if you do what she likes in said show).

You can still get Dominique sponsor second if you don't meet her first btw (but yes that denies the early K7 fast-track from her).

 

[Sancho1969]

I have a save where my MC is sponsored by everyone. It broke both the internet and the Gambit so I carefully placed that save in an archive surrounded by liquid nitrogen for safe keeping. The world is not ready for such things.

 

[Silver_Crow117]

Another valid point which (at this point of all the accumulated evidence) makes our entire discussion regarding bracelets null and void. There's too many dialogue bugs in the VN to rely on details for theory...imo.

Here’s what she said (I asked) ,

“because they know only a Kane that gets to a certain point can do X at location Y -- a sub Kane won't likely see that scenario so they might plan a different alternative. Err that's a major reason K7 was mentioned, their intel is that it's a needed start (might not be correct but their belief) point to even consider what might be true later for him.”