VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.2B Final] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[Maviarab]

Right...
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But damn, can't remember how Otto got it... MC and Otto met first face to face in Ep6, right?:
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He doesn't pass anything to Otto here at all... I can't remember, lol. I thought that scene in Ep7 was a different data bracelet altogether since I couldn't connect the dots tbh.

Not shown, or clear, how Otto got it. Kane left it in his room remember when promoted...

The problem with Alexander not being on the Board is that if we're assuming this is a dystopian future of our real world, then Alexander would well know that the Apple Board of Directors was able to fire the company's founder Steve Jobs, who wasn't on the Board, but there was no way Alexander would permit that type of power.

He is so narcissistic and powerful and has his own allies...he never thought that would happen. He always had some under control.

Those are two separate bracelets. Nadia knows what's on Kane's bracelet, and explains that it's locked to his blood signature, so even if it's proven that she's his sister (somehow) their genes are not exact, and there's no reason she's has to spend hours reading something she already knows about.

This has always been my conclusion as well... although I don't think Nadia knows all that's on Kane's since it would require his blood to unlock it (I think she's aware it holds power in it's full secret(s) though)... and I'm assuming it's remained unlocked (although I could be foolish in this assumption).

Never, not once, anywhere, has it even been hinted there are two. It's the same bracelet.

The purpose of the board is to keep the CEO in check, since according to Veronica, the board was Alexanders idea, we can assume that he wouldn't be on the board or that would defeat the purpose of letting the public think there's a check and balance system in his company. He put the unanimous consent in there to ensure he kept power as all he needed was one member to say no which Id imagine he made sure that he always had.

This ^^


Aside, good to see you theory crafting with us Sancho1969

 

[Sancho1969]

Aside, good to see you theory crafting with us @Sancho1969

don't get too used to it bud... I'm way out of character here theorizing on story elements lol. I do enjoy civil debate and conversation though, so yeah, I've been lingering in here on my second screen rather some other threads that shall not be named.

 

[Sancho1969]

Never, not once, anywhere, has it even been hinted there are two.

Well, to that end it's also never been hinted once that there is only one data bracelet. It is hinted that the tech is in multiple bracelets:

Kwamie - "It's a data bracelet used by The Karlsson Group ... This one looks very high end in design. Very valuable."

Personally I've never heard anyone start a sentence with "This one looks..." unless they've seen more than one, but that's just my experience.

 

[DoverDad]

If Nadia is Kane sister wouldn't that mean they both have the same blood so her blood could open it too that is if it is the same bracelet .

 

[Maviarab]

Well, to that end it's also never been hinted once that there is only one data bracelet. It is hinted that the tech is in multiple bracelets: Kwamie - "... This one looks very high end in design. Very valuable."

Heh...we could argue the semantics of that all night rofl.

Just because it's never hinted there is only one, doesn't mean there's more. we can only go off what we are shown, and we are only shown 2 in the entire story. Veronica has one has a child...and Kane is left one. The one Otto brings to Nadia, prettty sure that's not Veronica's and we know Kane left his and didn't get it back. One can also argue, the one otto brings to Nadia, is the exact same design as the one given to kane.



The fact that from Kwame's words of "It's a data bracelet used by The Karlsson Group. It's unlockable when you wear it near a specific secure access point matched to its signature. This one looks very high end in design. Very valuable." shows there are more in the world as he obviously seen some (but then we find that out later in the park flashback anyway), however, given what it is, we have not seen a single person wear one other than Veronica (as a child, if hers even is one at all...



....and Kane when he finds his), points more to it being Kane's and not some random person (presumably important enough to have such an item) we've never seen with one. I've not spotted a single other bracelet in the story so far, either on someone or lying around (Icould have missed one though to be fair).

The other side is, making assumptions, with no real evidence to back them up..to fit a narrative that also isn't even hinted at. So if it's a different one (go with it for now), we're assuming Otto/Someone else, managed to steal a data bracelet from a Karlsson sister (because I can't imagine anyone else being important enough have one....so high end and valuable)....and if so, for what purpose?

You have to admit, the second scenario sounds far less likely no?

 

[Sancho1969]

Heh...we could argue the semantics of that all night rofl.

Just because it's never hinted there is only one, doesn't mean there's more. we can only go off what we are shown, and we are only shown 2 in the entire story. Veronica has one has a child...and Kane is left one. The one Otto brings to Nadia, prettty sure that's not Veronica's and we know Kane left his and didn't get it back.

The fact that from Kwame's words of "It's a data bracelet used by The Karlsson Group. It's unlockable when you wear it near a specific secure access point matched to its signature. This one looks very high end in design. Very valuable." shows there are more in the world (but then we find that out later in the park flashback anyway), however, given what it is, we have not seen a single person wear one other than Veronica (as a child)

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and Kane when he finds his, points more to it being Kane's and not some random person (presumably important enough to have such an item) we've never seen with one. I've not spotted a single other bracelet in the story so far, either on someone or lying around.

The other side is, making assumptions, with no real evidence to back them up..to fit a narrative that also isn't even hinted at. So if it's a different one (go with it for now), we're assuming Otto/Someone else, managed to steal a data bracelet from a Karlsson sister (because I can't imagine anyone else being important enough have one....so high end and valuable)....and if so, for what purpose?

I see your point (even though Veronica also possessed one which now makes at least two data bracelets out in the wild), but my theory (just a theory now) is that the Karlsson's are not the only folks with data bracelet tech... the other factions could easily as well. And although it could simply be a sentence structure issue by Tess, I can't get passed:

Personally I've never heard anyone start a sentence with "This one looks..." unless they've seen more than one, but that's just my experience.

Dunno. Just my thoughts. If Kwamie has seen more than one then it's like the beginning of the bag phone days (cellular)... only a few of us had them, but we didn't carry them 24/7.

 

[Maviarab]

If Kwamie has seen more than one then it's like the beginning of the bag phone days (cellular)... only a few of us had them, but we didn't carry them 24/7.

Possible. Also expanded on my last post btw with pics.

 

[Sancho1969]

Possible. Also expanded on my last post btw with pics.

Wait, wait, wait.... could it be: That Ep7's Otto handoff to Nadia is a "flashback" to before she planted it on Kane in Ep6? If that's the case you are implying then I can go along with that theory, for sure.

Fuck my life... how the hell did I get into conspiracy theory discussions over a fucking data bracelet? Don't I have something else I should be doing? Oh yeah, my year end accounting (yuck)... okay, back to the bracelet.

 

[Maviarab]

Wait, wait, wait.... could it be: That Ep7's Otto handoff to Nadia is a "flashback" to before she planted it on Kane in Ep6? If that's the case you are implying then I can go along with that theory, for sure.

Fuck my life... how the hell did I get into conspiracy theory discussions over a fucking data bracelet? Don't I have something else I should be doing? Oh yeah, my year end accounting (yuck)... okay, back to the bracelet.

Jeesh...even I not thought of that shit lmao...

Damn...well..other than the fact White Tips plants it on kane on Game Day 03 (GD03)/Facility Day 1 and from what we see, the DeKocks don't arrive until GD06...

Nahhh can't be a flashback...as the rest of the connversation regarding what she's done just wouldn't fit would it....and yeah...accounting or KG mad theories....I know which I'd pick hahaha.

Grab a coffee man!

 

[Sancho1969]

If Nadia is Kane sister wouldn't that mean they both have the same blood so her blood could open it too that is if it is the same bracelet .

Maybe, but if so that's some shitty blood tech... maybe developed by Zuckerbug instead of Musk

So, what do you think about the "flashback" theory? YuNobi1, you too bud, chime in here.

 

[Maviarab]

Maybe, but if so that's some shitty blood tech... maybe developed by Zuckerbug instead of Musk

Possible rather than being 'actual blood'...it's DNA coded and if hers is close enough for her to crack the rest. Refer back to Kwame again...he never mentions blood...just a secure access point matched to a signature. Nadia has the access point (or create one) and if her 'signature' is close enough being related...

*shrugs*

 

[YuNobi1]

If Nadia is Kane sister wouldn't that mean they both have the same blood so her blood could open it too that is if it is the same bracelet .

No. Nadia's statement that "The only way to unlock the data inside it is with your own blood." Means either A) it opens based on blood type, which is stastically not very secure, or B) it opens based on genetic signature via a blood sample. "Blood relatives" is just a pre-Mendel figure of speech that has persisted in our vocabulary, as siblings and parent-child can have differing blood types. Modern day tests that determine genetic relationship look at the DNA samples of both individuals, and a certain percentage of matching genomes means different degrees of said relationship (i.e. parents, grandparents, cousins, strangers, etc.). However, with the exception of identical twins, siblings genes do not match 100%, in fact, true siblings are tied with mother-child pairings of only matching 50% of genes on average (father-child averages 47.5% match). So, Nadia and Callista have equal chances of opening the bracelet, but if it's specifically keyed to Kane's genetic code, then only he can open it.

The ONLY scenario where Nadia can open it is if Callista carries a specific gene/defect that she is 100% certain was passed on to all her children, and the bracelet looks for this single gene/defect. But again, that means that her, all her children, and anyone else in the world that just happens to be a carrier (i.e. sickle cell), can open it. Again, not very secure.

 

[Maviarab]

No. Nadia's statement that "The only way to unlock the data inside it is with your own blood." Means either A) it opens based on blood type, which is stastically not very secure, or B) it opens based on genetic signature via a blood sample. "Blood relatives" is just a pre-Mendel figure of speech that has persisted in our vocabulary, as siblings and parent-child can have differing blood types. Modern day tests that determine genetic relationship look at the DNA samples of both individuals, and a certain percentage of matching genomes means different degrees of said relationship (i.e. parents, grandparents, cousins, strangers, etc.). However, with the exception of identical twins, siblings genes do not match 100%, in fact, true siblings are tied with mother-child pairings of only matching 50% of genes on average (father-child averages 47.5% match). So, Nadia and Callista have equal chances of opening the bracelet, but if it's specifically keyed to Kane's genetic code, then only he can open it.

The ONLY scenario where Nadia can open it is if Callista carries a specific gene/defect that she is 100% certain was passed on to all her children, and the bracelet looks for this single gene/defect. But again, that means that her, all her children, and anyone else in the world that just happens to be a carrier (i.e. sickle cell), can open it. Again, not very secure.

Best hacker in the world remember.

While everything you said is true and won't dispute any of it, as I mentioned earlier, if her DNA match is close enough that she can 'hack' the rest....it's a possible way for her to get into it...

But I am just throwing out scenarios there...and her DNA match would probably have to be a very close match for that theory to work...

 

[Sancho1969]

Refer back to Kwame again...he never mentions blood...just a secure access point matched to a signature.

Kwamie doesn't, but Nadia does:

Hacker: "The only way to unlock the data inside it is with your own blood...not even the creator of the bracelet can unlock it."

*shrugs too*

TessSadist get your ass in here and fill us in, damnit!!

 

[Maviarab]

Kwamie doesn't, but Nadia does:

Hacker: "The only way to unlock the data inside it is with your own blood...not even the creator of the bracelet can unlock it."

Yeah...would Nadia be non-scientific enough to use the world blood as opposed to signature? (which could be blood, saliva, hair), anything you can get DNA from?

Was also thinking back to your flashback theory and was thinking it actually could be again, but the line..."since we got here" kinda throws it out...unless 'here' is not where we are assuming it to be (Joy Facility)...

Edit: Yeah Yu mentions that Otto says our rank...so it's definitely in the facility...4 days after Kane got the bracelet.

 

[YuNobi1]

Wait, wait, wait.... could it be: That Ep7's Otto handoff to Nadia is a "flashback" to before she planted it on Kane in Ep6? If that's the case you are implying then I can go along with that theory, for sure.

Fuck my life... how the hell did I get into conspiracy theory discussions over a fucking data bracelet? Don't I have something else I should be doing? Oh yeah, my year end accounting (yuck)... okay, back to the bracelet.

Nadia says that she had just did in a few hours what DS couldn't do in over 20 years, and Otto comments previously that it was "a great thing... Everyone is very excited and you deserve all the credit" and that she's "done a lot to help the family." Considering we know how good of a hacker she is, this is clearly her locating her uncle/father Cole the night before, "a few hours" after arriving at JF. Otto will also say that [Dom]Kane is "at least K7", and since Kane is K6 the last time he saw the bracelet, I'm sorry, but it can't be a flashback, but I see where your mind was going there, because it made sense to me once upon a time.

 

[YuNobi1]

Yeah...would Nadia be non-scientific enough to use the world blood as opposed to signature? (which could be blood, saliva, hair), anything you can get DNA from?

Was also thinking back to your flashback theory and was thinking it actually could be again, but the line..."since we got here" kinda throws it out...unless 'here' is not where we are assuming it to be (Joy Facility)...

I mean she kind of already did:
Nadia: Your precious resource is...your own genetics. Being the blood child of Callista Jacobs is why you are really here, Kane.
Kane: (Are they going to draw my blood for experiments? Some weird biological research?...)

 

[Sancho1969]

Otto will also say that [Dom]Kane is "at least K7", and since Kane is K6 the last time he saw the bracelet...

Damn, valid point. Welp, Tess is going to have one helluva time explaining all this... even if there are a hundred bracelets in the wild... there has to be significance in Otto handing one off to Nadia in the scene, it being a one-off scene is a curve ball that otherwise doesn't justify the GPU resources to render the scene's bracelet images tbh.

 

[Stan5851]

Im not shitting on the writing cuz it's been established that Kane is like this, but in this particular instance, Elena was crystal clear.

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She eliminated one person from being his father and they were looking at each other so it's not like he didn't hear her. No real riddle to solve here. Short of saying Alexander is not your father, this was as much of a confirmation as he could've gotten. No prior knowledge required.

I posted about it to Tess in her discord (in the feedback channel), so she should be aware of it. If there's any reaction from her, I'll post it here.

 

[YuNobi1]

Hey DoverUK25 do you have the scoop on yesterday's Dev Memo?