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Well that's another conversation....given who Kiyomi is, how the hell do Kitty end up where she was....
As always..too many questions and not enough answers heh.
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Agreed
We will have to wait for future updates and maybe at the end of the game we can have this conversation again
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Yeah... Was that comedy or satire?The joke didn't work so well because I just used one of the images where Olivia looks stunning and I didn't have a screenshot of Jules, I had to open the game to find something
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Is it worth having a route ready where you skip helping at the game show (getting the scene in Veronica's lab instead) or would it be better off waiting on that route until part 3?
The "problem" I always have with this VN is there are so many moving parts it's hard to remember what I did on whatever route. I think it's one of two VNs where I actually use a separate doc to try to keep up with things.
The "problem" I always have with this VN is there are so many moving parts it's hard to remember what I did on whatever route. I think it's one of two VNs where I actually use a separate doc to try to keep up with things.
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Or wait until I've played that route and I'll tell you what happens...or, more importantly...doesn't happen lol. I would certainly receommend having a save with not doing the game show though...I have a sneaky feeling (just my personal opinion) that is key to V's route...if the evil scientist gig is your thing.
Why my save sheet exists
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I think we already got part of the answer to that question when we saw the flashback with Veronica and Alexander (and Kitty serving him)...Based on that scene, we can assume that Kitty has been something of a obedient servant to Alexander since childhood, so his evil has penetrated her particularly deeply.
We don't know anything about the conditions in which (and, more importantly, by whom) her older sister was raised, but judging by the fact that Kiyomi still retains her integrity and even has her own code of Honor, her childhood and youth were clearly different from Kitty's.
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I imagine kitty rose by being Elena's right hand woman, though I do wonder how that happened given that in the flashbacks at least she appeared to be under Alexander's thrall
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Well As Alexander and Elena were close maybe Kitty transferred to Elena. Although I think I remember when Elena and Olivia were talking in the office and Elena wanted to kitty to serve Olivia as she had her, Elena said that kitty had be serving her for a long time.
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I don't imagine Alexander and Elena were all that close after he blamed her for breaking up him and Callista and he had her daughter kidnapped
There is something I don't understand about Callista and it has been bothering me for a long time.
First of all, she could have taken her family to a safe place with the help of deCOCKS. (if only Alexander's men were to be feared)
If Alexander had threatened Kane with a programmed disease or poisoning or chip she could have asked help from the deCOCKS then put Kane into stasis. (like Astrid)
Finally she could have blackmailed Alexander then Veronica with Olivia's life. (and in this way she could have obtained help for Seth or stasis)
In the light of the above, I think it is clear that that the gambit is far more important for Callista than the life of Kane.
First of all, she could have taken her family to a safe place with the help of deCOCKS. (if only Alexander's men were to be feared)
If Alexander had threatened Kane with a programmed disease or poisoning or chip she could have asked help from the deCOCKS then put Kane into stasis. (like Astrid)
Finally she could have blackmailed Alexander then Veronica with Olivia's life. (and in this way she could have obtained help for Seth or stasis)
In the light of the above, I think it is clear that that the gambit is far more important for Callista than the life of Kane.
The other is that in the light of what I have read recently(above the comment section), there is no such sub thread that Kane just succumbs under the weight of the circumstances (so he is not a real sub, just a broken person)
At the same time, if this is true, there won't be an ending where Callista can save her son (outsider ending) since the one who was once his son is now only a crawling worm.
At the same time, if this is true, there won't be an ending where Callista can save her son (outsider ending) since the one who was once his son is now only a crawling worm.
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You think he gives a shit about Olivia? He has four daughters he doesn't want. Getting rid of the fifth one would probably be doing him a favor.
After Alexander's death, Veronica is in charge. Olivia is incredibly important to her.
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If it was that easy, Callista would just tell Veronica to knock it off, since callista is basically one of the only two people that Veronica respects.
If you are right about this (and I don't think it is necessarily the case), there are still the two options I wrote about above.
On the other hand, she didn't even try to convince her let alone blackmail her for his son's freedom
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The problem with all such reasoning is that it doesn't address the reality of the game in any way... All these events with little Kane and Olivia happened 20 years before the game started (i.e. before Kane's first day in prison). And while theorizing about some current events makes sense if only because by analyzing the facts available to us we can arrive at the truth, abstract speculation about what happened decades ago is worthless. At least until we have new facts about these events from which we can draw some conclusions.
The only evidence we can take into account right now is Callista's words in the scene with Elena on the bridge, where she said that she simply had no other choice and not fulfilling Alexander's terms directly threatened the lives of Kane (and Olivia).
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So take that as a given, as an axiom, because that's what Tess decided to do, making it a given in her game. Well, at least we should wait for the son and the mother to meet so we have more information. For now, Tess is hiding this information and only Elena knows the full version of events about why Callista did what she did (their dialog in one of the caves where they went after the conversation on the bridge, which of course we were not shown).
And I don't even see the point in discussing the fact that the only cryostasis center we know of belongs not to the DeKocks, but to the Karlssons, and the fact that the principles of cryostasis/anabiosis we know (described in science fiction) allow us to immerse a person in this state, allowing them not to age...So in Kane's case (even if we imagine that the DeKocks had access to such technology) it turns out that in 20 years we will have not a 20+ year old guy, but a one year old child/infant whose normal development was frozen thanks to cryostasis.
But in any case, this is all nonsense and empty reasoning that has nothing to do with game reality. And the facts (at this point in time) are that Callista simply had no other choice. And we can't judge what was most important to her until we know her whole plan and at least talk to her (on Kane's behalf).
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We don't have all the information, but the reality from what we can tell so far is that the gambit is a possible solution to a problem that IS far more important than Kane's life.
Humanity is legitimately on the brink of extinction. If the Karlssons and the DeKocks work together, then with some luck they might actually be able to fix the planet. Callista isn't sure exactly how things will play out and might have some backup plans but she seems to be placing the bulk of her chips on her son being able to unite the two families.
Survival for Kane was never going to be easy no matter what. The gambit is the best way to save Kane AND the best way to save humanity. As for Kane going into stasis like Astrid, what good does that do if there's no one alive to even figure out a cure to the disease lol.