VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.2B Final] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[Stan5851]

You reminded me with that image of the idea discussed here that each mask represents a character and that they are a spoiler at the beginning of each chapter. Especially when you replay the chapters .

Yeah..You are right, we must once again thank Maviarab for the titanic and painstaking work he has done.

Alright ladies and gentlemen: Further to the conversation started here...

So we now have 8 Chapter Screens...6 new masks from the last time this was discussed (though some of those could be a replacement for some lost assets by Tess). We shall see. Some interesting theories going back over the convo when I was on my hiatus...so have been doing more research on this...much more...

So...masks per episode:

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Using my Timeline and taking all the chapter cards into consideration (and their placement):

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Let's see what we can conjure:

Ep.2: Callista, Main overarching central character essential to the plot. (also main game theme image of Tess too). Seth is iontroduced and while not a central character, he seems to be central to the overall plot. Kiyomi (not introduced yet as per Tess' commentary of one mask that partially or in whole represents someone not formally introduced in the game yet), is watching over him.

Ep.3: Placement of the masks does mostly match up with the major events of this episode.

Ep.4: Placement mostly matches....Jules & Dom still apart, Elena over Olivia with Alessa and Veronica either side. Kiyomi watching over Seth with wildcard Katsumi off to their side.

Ep.5: An interesting one. Dom & Jules meet to discuss the threat of Olivia (Masks together)...Red Tips meets with the Gambit Queen, Elena inbetween Olivia and Kane (they both meet Elena privately this episode). Kiyomi again watching over Seth. Jester mask in the eye of the Red Queen though...hmm...just don't see the connection...

Ep.6: Three new masks. We also have the introduction of the DeKcoks, Cole himself and Astrid Karlsson...Olivia central in the Chapter Card with relevent characters around her. Most of this fits or can be made to fit chapter events. Mostly.

Ep.7: Two new masks this time, the three new from Ep.6 also return. 16 masks on this Chapter card. For the first time, Veronica and Alessa are split, Kane and Olivia either side of Veronica. Jules & Dom are next to Olivia and Alessa splits Seth/Kiyomi for their fist time being split also (makes sense). Elena is once again between Olivia and Callista with a new mask now between Kane and Callista (Cynthia perhaps) and a new mask below and off to the right of Veronica near Olivia. Could this be Astrid's mask???

Which leaves us here:

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Now:

For Ep.2:

If Seth is the 'not formally introduced Character'...then Orange shadows can't be Kiyomi....

If Red Queen is the not formally introuduced character...that still throws doubt on Orange Shadow...

Or...if Kiyomi is the not formally introduced character...is Red Queen just there as 1. Main game image and/or 2. Callista being the over-arching central main character of the story? (Seth is introduced in Ep.2)

Other thoughts:

• Katsumi as Jester/Joker often fits...but Ep.5 Chapter card makes zero sense....or does it?
• New mask for Ep.7 between Kane and Callista....phantom & Feathers mask off to the left of this new mask..between Kane and Callista with butterfly from Ep.6 far to the left instead of near Olivia
• Ep.6: New faces, Cole, DeKock family members & Otto
• Ep.7: New faces are Pod W2 and Astrid & Cole confirmed Kanes father

Both Nadia & Cole could fit a few of these....

• Feathers: Symbolizes trust, honor, strength, wisdom, power, and freedom. It is an object that is deeply revered and a sign of high honor
• Butterfly: In some cultures, butterflies symbolise rebirth.
• Phantom Mask: Symbolizes his vulnerability and the injustice he suffers from (from Phantom Opera)
• Bird Mask: A symbol of death and disease… However, they were misunderstood; they were harbingers of new beginnings

Sooo....thoughts on Cole, Cynthia...Otto maybe? Is Delilah going to be a significant enough character to warrant a mask? Coming back around to Ep.5 Chapter card...possible Katsumi mask behind/in the eyes of Callista, the game show is referenced first in Chapter 5 here:

p "Nice to meet you Hyori, and good luck with your application."
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    hyori "Thank you! I'm applying to help out with entertainment planning for a game show here, so I'm really hoping I can get the job!"
    p "(Game show?) Good luck to you."

Now, as Tess stated: 3) A mask (or more than one mask on screen) is not always an exact 1 to 1 representation of a character (mostly it makes sense it would be though), perhaps it could represent something broader than one specific character.. could this perhaps be a reference to something broader, something largely out of Callista's hands and something she would not originally have known about...like the game show..??

 

[motseer]

Some of us here...perhaps myself...maybe...kind of...who knows *shrugs*...are a little obsessed with this story heheh and have disected it (yeah Ok I definitely have) to the n'th degree.

I have one question... Does time pass at a slower rate where you are? Where the hell do you find enough of it to do all this? This isn't even the only thread you are this active in... You have way too much energy to be a normal human, my friend... Your last name isn't Trump, right?

 

[Maviarab]

Yeah..You are right, we must once again thank Maviarab for the titanic and painstaking work he has done.

Awww shucks...make me blush...it was a damn fine post though wasn't it, even if I do say so myself hahahaha.

With any luck, with the new update, we can nail down some more names to the masks I was stull unsure about. Still doesn't help that she introduced new ones for old lost ones...bit hard to truly figure them all out.

I have one question... Does time pass at a slower rate where you are? Where the hell do you find enough of it to do all this? This isn't even the only thread you are this active in... You have way too much energy to be a normal human, my friend... Your last name isn't Trump, right?

To give a little info (not exactly private info I guess), my afternoons and evenings are largely my own. I'm effectively (thankfully) retired early and I also look after/care for my mother full time. It affords me a lot of time to think, theorise...and yes, do shit like excel sheets for masks and walkthroughs for other VN's hehe. I also use multiple monitors so do important stuff on my main screen (or watch sometyhing, have a game running etc) while I have browsers open on a seperate one. That and quite frankly...because I can and have the time and find stuff like save sheets/walthroughs/creating the mask post that Stan linked interesting...keeps the brain active

And because I'm sad (and have a lot of time) and love stats etc....as you mentioned my activity here...KG beats the rest by a wide margin.

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[Nifferman]

I have one question... Does time pass at a slower rate where you are? Where the hell do you find enough of it to do all this? This isn't even the only thread you are this active in... You have way too much energy to be a normal human, my friend... Your last name isn't Trump, right?

He might be Barron Trump

 

[motseer]

Awww shucks...make me blush...it was a damn fine post though wasn't it, even if I do say so myself hahahaha.

With any luck, with the new update, we can nail down some more names to the masks I was stull unsure about. Still doesn't help that she introduced new ones for old lost ones...bit hard to truly figure them all out.


To give a little info (not exactly private info I guess), my afternoons and evenings are largely my own. I'm effectively (thankfully) retired early and I also look after/care for my mother full time. It affords me a lot of time to think, theorise...and yes, do shit like excel sheets for masks and walkthroughs for other VN's hehe. I also use multiple monitors so do important stuff on my main screen (or watch sometyhing, have a game running etc) while I have browsers open on a seperate one. That and quite frankly...because I can and have the time and find stuff like save sheets/walthroughs/creating the mask post that Stan linked interesting...keeps the brain active

You are a damn multitasking demon, my friend...

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[Deleted member 7715185]

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Kinda glad Tess gave us the option on going with Elena if we don’t want to go the Olivia route

at this point some of you already know the further story btw that is hot

 

[Maviarab]

at this point some of you already know the further story btw that is hot

Well, knowing certain things (or along the right trajectory) is not overly difficult as Tess feeds us information. we know for fact there should be x amount of endings. We know for sure, that there will be x amount of 'world states' (ie, the state of the world and the Karlsson Group at the end). we know who is a main romance and a secondary romance and how they tie into those said world states.

General speculation can and will/does lead us into certain things. Like, pretty much from the start, we all knew Olivia would be a LI (as the rest of the sisters)....the main speculation and talking points are more about the secrets Tess hides from us on purpose and how exactly we are going to get to certain places that we can confidently assume exist.

As PickerLewd stated, it is such a complex, branching story (with many mysteries still yet to be revealed...though are they being slowly exposed) that it's really not difficult to get invested in the story and start theorising.

Edit: It's a shame really we're only page whatever we are on and the VN (while incredibly popular and certainly earns Tess a nice sum of money) the Vn is not 'more popular' (which sounds ironic to say given my last sentence). I think the femdom tag (and marketed as such) puts a lot of folk off, when, on the non-sub side of the story (dompath), there is an amazing, wonderfully crafted, incredibly complex story with gorgeous girls to uncover if femdom is not your cup of tea. It really does cater to both incredibly well and PL said earlier, your Kane does exactly what you expect of him. And there's no reason not to try this, I would 'guesstimate' the vast majority of KG players only play one path alone.

 

[Silver_Crow117]

at this point some of you already know the further story btw that is hot

Yeah really love this thread! Tho I wish there were more sub players that are open to discussion hahaha I know most of them keep to themselves unfortunately but don’t worry ! I’ll fight for you Although, it’s always a pleasure talking to people in this thread because if we didn’t all enjoy KG and find it interesting, we probably would’ve never discuss things together and although it may be a small thing, those small things brightens people’s day so thank yall for always being here

but in reality I love this Game so much because it puts you into the story not just to be in there, but to how to shape the story, the relationship with characters, sub/dom with your choices and KG is just full of branching opportunities and I love those types of games!!
I mean, In the Dom playthrough, Kane Remembers Veronica during childhood, but Sub Kane doesn’t remember yet… Tess said she’ll eventually tell him at some point for a reason… but just little things like that always are just great to see personally because of how different not only big choices are but just small omes
Plus the game is filled with mystery and I just can’t wait to see how different it may be tackled depending on everything!!

 

[PickerLewd]

With any luck, with the new update, we can nail down some more names to the masks I was stull unsure about. Still doesn't help that she introduced new ones for old lost ones...bit hard to truly figure them all out.

Tess should have replaced the old masks that got lost with the new ones, they are only one render per chapter .

P.S. How can I see my top 5 topics here?

 

[Stan5851]

Well, knowing certain things (or along the right trajectory) is not overly difficult as Tess feeds us information. we know for fact there should be x amount of endings. We know for sure, that there will be x amount of 'world states' (ie, the state of the world and the Karlsson Group at the end). we know who is a main romance and a secondary romance and how they tie into those said world states.

General speculation can and will/does lead us into certain things. Like, pretty much from the start, we all knew Olivia would be a LI (as the rest of the sisters)....the main speculation and talking points are more about the secrets Tess hides from us on purpose and how exactly we are going to get to certain places that we can confidently assume exist.

As PickerLewd stated, it is such a complex, branching story (with many mysteries still yet to be revealed...though are they being slowly exposed) that it's really not difficult to get invested in the story and start theorising.

Yeah...we can also add that from the beginning we suspected (knew) that Callista was actually alive and that she was the Gambit Queen. It turned out to be so, although at that time the evidence base we all had to extract literally by bits and pieces and in the heated discussions were broken many copies.

The riddle of the two ninjas. With one ninja our guesses were also correct - it was Veronica, but with the second "ninja" on the meeting in the temple (Ms.Gydinna) still remains a veil of mystery, but most likely it is Alessandra(?)..

 

[Maviarab]

Tess should have replaced the old masks that got lost with the new ones, they are only one render per chapter .

P.S. How can I see my top 5 topics here?

Not sure what she will do going forward but she has all her masks back now, I cut them all out (how made my sig which you can't see lmao) and have scaled them and made them sharper, cleaned them up and sent them to her. So she has everything back again now at least going forward.

Go to: https://f95zone.to/watched/threads?unread=0 which shows all threads you are watching (watch by default if comment in a thread). Not sure how to do it on a phone, but on PC, hover mouse over the small icon of your avatar (to the bottom right of the thread posters avatar icon) and it will show you your post count in that thread.

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So yes, I manually update mine in an excel sheet lol.

 

[Silver_Crow117]

So… what do you guys think will happen if you hit the KiyomiDoor flag or not?

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lSeems like Otto might… not make it if you don’t hit it

 

[Maviarab]

So… what do you guys think will happen if you hit the KiyomiDoor flag or not?

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lSeems like Otto might… not make it if you don’t hit it

That's definitely an interesting situation which could affect gameplay/story significantly. My original thoughts were that the flag is there for a different resolution as how/when Cole comes back to the facility (or the vicinity at least) and that even if (player choice) Cole stays where he is etc....that he will still come back regardless. So more of a flavour thing in how he comes back, rather than if he ever will or not.

of course, I could be completely off-bat with that theory but given his seeming importance in the overaching story (certainly on a couple of routes/world ending states) it is certainly an interesting one.

 

[Sharpshooter890]

So… what do you guys think will happen if you hit the KiyomiDoor flag or not?

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lSeems like Otto might… not make it if you don’t hit it

The second screenshot feels like a red herring. I don't see either of them being killed at this point, and certainly not by daddy Cole.

 

[MagicMan753]

Yeah really love this thread! Tho I wish there were more sub players that are open to discussion hahaha I know most of them keep to themselves unfortunately but don’t worry ! I’ll fight for you Although, it’s always a pleasure talking to people in this thread because if we didn’t all enjoy KG and find it interesting, we probably would’ve never discuss things together and although it may be a small thing, those small things brightens people’s day so thank yall for always being here

but in reality I love this Game so much because it puts you into the story not just to be in there, but to how to shape the story, the relationship with characters, sub/dom with your choices and KG is just full of branching opportunities and I love those types of games!!
I mean, In the Dom playthrough, Kane Remembers Veronica during childhood, but Sub Kane doesn’t remember yet… Tess said she’ll eventually tell him at some point for a reason… but just little things like that always are just great to see personally because of how different not only big choices are but just small omes
Plus the game is filled with mystery and I just can’t wait to see how different it may be tackled depending on everything!!

I'm a sub player(I play every path, seen alls scenes, but sub is my prefered), I just don't talk here much, I am more active in the discord. I just feel like this thread is filled with conceited know it all, dom players that think they know everything and get on my nerves imo, so I usually don't type here that much and prefer the discord, cause it feels more friendly and welcoming over there personally.

 

[Silver_Crow117]

That's definitely an interesting situation which could affect gameplay/story significantly. My original thoughts were that the flag is there for a different resolution as how/when Cole comes back to the facility (or the vicinity at least) and that even if (player choice) Cole stays where he is etc....that he will still come back regardless. So more of a flavour thing in how he comes back, rather than if he ever will or not.

of course, I could be completely off-bat with that theory but given his seeming importance in the overaching story (certainly on a couple of routes/world ending states) it is certainly an interesting one.

Yeah I believe that as well for what Miss Tess said here,

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I have said, what If Sub Kane is serving in that faction under Veronica, Yvette and she said

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[Silver_Crow117]

I'm a sub player(I play every path, seen alls scenes, but sub is my prefered), I just don't talk here much, I am more active in the discord. I just feel like this thread is filled with conceited know it all, dom players that think they know everything and get on my nerves imo, so I usually don't type here that much and prefer the discord, cause it feels more friendly and welcoming over there personally.

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[Stan5851]

I'm a sub player(I play every path, seen alls scenes, but sub is my prefered), I just don't talk here much, I am more active in the discord. I just feel like this thread is filled with conceited know it all, dom players that think they know everything and get on my nerves imo, so I usually don't type here that much and prefer the discord, cause it feels more friendly and welcoming over there personally.

I'm a Dom player (I don't play sub routes, but I have watched some important sub scenes through Sancho's gallery). I don't go to Discord that often, because when I get there (on Tess's server), I get the impression that I'm in the company of unhealthily obsessed with femdom, who don't recognize other opinions and endlessly discuss only and exclusively the femdom component of our game. And the only healthy person there is Tess herself.

That's why I go to Discord mostly only to chat with her myself, and sometimes to leave feedback about the game and my wishes and suggestions for the development of the game, characters and relations between them. So f95 is much more convenient and comfortable for me in terms of atmosphere, not to mention that the huge opportunities that f95 provides to players, no discord can provide.

 

[PickerLewd]

It's a shame really we're only page whatever we are on and the VN (while incredibly popular and certainly earns Tess a nice sum of money) the Vn is not 'more popular' (which sounds ironic to say given my last sentence). I think the femdom tag (and marketed as such) puts a lot of folk off, when, on the non-sub side of the story (dompath), there is an amazing, wonderfully crafted, incredibly complex story with gorgeous girls to uncover if femdom is not your cup of tea. It really does cater to both incredibly well and PL said earlier, your Kane does exactly what you expect of him. And there's no reason not to try this, I would 'guesstimate' the vast majority of KG players only play one path alone.

It's not easy to play blind for the first time, I can assure you that many people have fallen into K4 and dropped out.

I remember falling into K5, but the second time I played I changed two decisions and went to K4 .

Yeah really love this thread! Tho I wish there were more sub players that are open to discussion hahaha I know most of them keep to themselves unfortunately but don’t worry ! I’ll fight for you

I have a game on K4 because I want to see more story scenes, does that make me a switcher?

I was brave enough to try one of Miron's HFG games and my innocence was tainted so hard that I had to give up within the hour .

Not sure what she will do going forward but she has all her masks back now, I cut them all out (how made my sig which you can't see lmao) and have scaled them and made them sharper, cleaned them up and sent them to her. So she has everything back again now at least going forward.

I asked her on Patreon last month and she told me she hadn't got them all back yet, I'm glad she got some back, too bad they're not used in-game in some of the divas .

So… what do you guys think will happen if you hit the KiyomiDoor flag or not?

I have a conspiracy theory that Silver has the whole game installed on his hard drive .

I hadn't seen those screenshots of Kiyomi.

 

[Stan5851]

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So, if his sense of duty comes first, it would be something like, “Sorry, son, the plants were more important than your life, and it's your mom who's going to save you, and I'm going to go plant some sprouts”? From what we saw in the game, I got the impression that Cole would lay down his life but try to save Kane, who was in trouble.

And Callista..Well, here's more confirmation that she cares about Kane, even the Kane who has lost his way and is in danger.