VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.2B Final] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[harsha_26]

For 2. She could have easily hid him with the Decocks for protection. But this would do nothing to help the state of the world since Karlsson resources are necessary. Doomed world means doomed Kane future. Not a good outcome for her.

As if it is anything better for k1 MC. There is already a ending planned where callista lives MC dies.
There are tons of outcomes MC would become regarding callista plan fails:

1) He may get killed as K1 (especially if the Olivia is evil.) Not because wantedly,, just because he is of torchur he faced in jail, could have made him phylogically weak because his mother never taught him how to survive even though she is so called genuis. She only teach him to love and enjoy the life and trust oilvia. But an olivia does not care about helping him, became a evil and want to kill him because he doesn't want to sleep with her or support her ideas. Now whose to blame? I can't blame MC because I seen in real life also, some people are weak and dumb. That doesn't mean have to die.
Yes it is the survival femdom world. But, mother should alteast warned him of those dangers. But she raised him as a feminine while she raised oilivia to fight and rule the world.

2) He may reject olivia to fail the gambit plan because he is in love with other lady like junko? Or he just don't want to sleep with olivia because it is weird. I would also not do that in real life if my sister turned out to be not my blood. She would be still my sister no matter what.

3) He may go for revolution as the dom guy.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

That's not actually a good person we get attached to these characters so much that we forget the difference between good and bad. Are you saying if someone hurts someone whom you care about that the perpetrator is some kind of a good person (like here Cynthia is Dominique kind of good person lol). Both have similarities but that makes both of them bad.

Im not saying she was, that's why I called her the dominique version of a good guy. She's someone who does good things under the right circumstances. But overall she's just as corrupted as the rest of the people in power.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

2. Calista had to allow Kane to be put into the program. Regardless of whether Alexander is dead or not, you think he would not put in place plans to carry out his threats?

At the point that Kane is put into the gambit, Veronica has Alexander right where she wants him. He cant do shit. I think whatever the reason that Callista puts him in the gambit goes beyond the fact that Alexander wants him there. Im guessing that she wants access the Karlsson's resources for whatever shitstorm is headed their way.

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

As if it is anything better for k1 MC. There is already a ending planned where callista lives MC dies.
There are tons of outcomes MC would become regarding callista plan fails:

1) He may get killed as K1 (especially if the Olivia is evil. Not because wantedly,, just because he is of torchur he faced in jail, could have made him phylogically weak because his mother never taught him how to survive even though she is so called genuis. She only teach him to love and enjoy the life and trust oilvia. But an olivia does not care about helping him, became a evil and want to kill him because he doesn't want to sleep with her or support her ideas. Now whose to blame? I can't blame MC because I seen in real life also, some people are weak and dumb. That doesn't mean have to die.
Yes it is the survival femdom world. But, mother should alteast warned him of those dangers. But she raised him as a feminine while she raised oilivia to fight and rule the world.

2) He may reject olivia to fail the gambit plan because he is in love with other lady like junko? Or he just don't want to sleep with olivia because it is weird. I would also not do that in real life if my sister turned out to be not my blood. She would be still my sister no matter what.

3) He may go for revolution as the dom guy.

"If k1 if k1 if k1". Look, she can't help him if he is dumb and useless enough to end up in k1. Doesn't expect Kane to get there. She can't do everything.

Who ever actually ends up in k1 without trying to fuck up that bad?

At the point that Kane is put into the gambit, Veronica has Alexander right where she wants him. He cant do shit. I think whatever the reason that Callista puts him in the gambit goes beyond the fact that Alexander wants him there. Im guessing that she wants access the Karlsson's resources for whatever shitstorm is headed their way.

Pretty sure Alexander is on death's door by the time Alessandra ensures Kane, but yeah the resources are a big deal.

 

[jadepaladin]

"If k1 if k1 if k1" look, she can't help him if he is dumb and useless enough to end up in k1. Doesn't expect Kane to get there. She can't do everything.

Who ever actually ends up in k1 without trying to fuck up that bad?

You HAVE to do it intentionally. There's no stumbling into k1.

On the flipside, k9 feels natural? Maybe I've done too many dom runs.

 

[Maviarab]

"If k1 if k1 if k1". Look, she can't help him if he is dumb and useless enough to end up in k1. Doesn't expect Kane to get there. She can't do everything.

Who ever actually ends up in k1 without trying to fuck up that bad?

You HAVE to do it intentionally. There's no stumbling into k1.

On the flipside, k9 feels natural? Maybe I've done too many dom runs.

Which once again begs the discussion (to piss off certain pathetic simps I know still read my posts) that the whole thing is a fake. Femdom game my ass hahaha....everything Calista has done...and people still think being a sub is the default for Kane?

 

[jadepaladin]

Which once again begs the discussion (to piss off certain pathetic simps I know still read my posts) that the whole thing is a fake. Femdom game my ass hahaha....everything Calista has done...and people still think being a sub is the default for Kane?

 

[Popata20]

At the point that Kane is put into the gambit, Veronica has Alexander right where she wants him. He cant do shit. I think whatever the reason that Callista puts him in the gambit goes beyond the fact that Alexander wants him there. Im guessing that she wants access the Karlsson's resources for whatever shitstorm is headed their way.

For Callista, the gambit is the most important thing. (Veronica said this to Astrid)
By the end of 8.2, Callista has Veronica's support. In addition, Cole and his sister Cynthia are also supporting them. Effectively, they could have all the power to rule the world.(and help Kane)

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

Which once again begs the discussion (to piss off certain pathetic simps I know still read my posts) that the whole thing is a fake. Femdom game my ass hahaha....everything Calista has done...and people still think being a sub is the default for Kane?

If you squint really hard you could kind of see how k4 Kane might work and make sense. Definitely nothing bellow that.

 

[Silver_Crow117]

Which once again begs the discussion (to piss off certain pathetic simps I know still read my posts) that the whole thing is a fake. Femdom game my ass hahaha....everything Calista has done...and people still think being a sub is the default for Kane?

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

The question is if Kane as a k4 runs foul of someone like Juliette who is sadistic as fuck, and loves demoting people can one really say that the player is forcing it? Can't really agree or disagree cuz I've never played as a sub but I figure there are enough traps playing as k4 where it's posiible to fall to k1 without the god controlling Kane having to force it.

 

[Silver_Crow117]

The question is if Kane as a k4 runs foul of someone like Juliette who is sadistic as fuck, and loves demoting people can one really say that the player is forcing it? Can't really agree or disagree cuz I've never played as a sub but I figure there are enough traps playing as k4 where it's posiible to fall to k1 without the god controlling Kane having to force it.

It’s in the players hands tbh.. I don’t think even know why this is still a topic of discussion… but yeah, there’s “traps” in a sense…

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

The question is if Kane as a k4 runs foul of someone like Juliette who is sadistic as fuck, and loves demoting people can one really say that the player is forcing it? Can't really agree or disagree cuz I've never played as a sub but I figure there are enough traps playing as k4 where it's posiible to fall to k1 without the god controlling Kane having to force it.

The k4 to k3 demotion Juliette trap at the beginning is a one off type of thing in sub route. The only other bullshit demotion thing is secret sub and getting demoted by Alessandra if you get to k9.

 

[jadepaladin]

The k4 to k3 demotion Juliette trap at the beginning is a one off type of thing in sub route. The only other bullshit demotion thing is secret sub and getting demoted by Alessandra if you get to k9.

Thanks, I was just coming to type that. There's a lot less "traps" than expected. For k1, you typically get to a choice...stop, decide to make the "worst" choice, and continue.
Also, I'm not 100% sure but I think you have to fall into Juliette's k4-k3 trap too, right? Otherwise you won't hit k1 and stop at k2. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Compare that to dom where even in my first playthrough, just doing what "felt" right led me into the dom path and high ranks (k9 wasn't a thing yet, in the before times, when Tess used to actually talk here).

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

It’s in the players hands tbh.. I don’t think even know why this is still a topic of discussion… but yeah, there’s “traps” in a sense…

The k4 to k3 demotion Juliette trap at the beginning is a one off type of thing in sub route. The only other bullshit demotion thing is secret sub and getting demoted by Alessandra if you get to k9.

Thanks, I was just coming to type that. There's a lot less "traps" than expected. For k1, you typically get to a choice...stop, decide to make the "worst" choice, and continue.
Also, I'm not 100% sure but I think you have to fall into Juliette's k4-k3 trap too, right? Otherwise you won't hit k1 and stop at k2. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Compare that to dom where even in my first playthrough, just doing what "felt" right led me into the dom path and high ranks (k9 wasn't a thing yet, in the before times, when Tess used to actually talk here).

Technically everything is in the player's hands since we are kanes god and therefore control his world. What I was trying to say/ wonder aloud, is does Kane have to do out of character things with that playthrough to fall to K1

 

[Maviarab]

Technically everything is in the player's hands since we are kanes god and therefore control his world. What I was trying to say/ wonder aloud, is does Kane have to do out of character things with that playthrough to fall to K1

With the benefit we all have, yes.

Brand new player blind run? No, he doesn't.

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

Thanks, I was just coming to type that. There's a lot less "traps" than expected. For k1, you typically get to a choice...stop, decide to make the "worst" choice, and continue.
Also, I'm not 100% sure but I think you have to fall into Juliette's k4-k3 trap too, right? Otherwise you won't hit k1 and stop at k2. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Compare that to dom where even in my first playthrough, just doing what "felt" right led me into the dom path and high ranks (k9 wasn't a thing yet, in the before times, when Tess used to actually talk here).

I don't know. Getting k1 is hard. You have to min-max for it. If you just don't pay attention maybe you can screw up bad enough to get k2 naturally.

The only dom min-max point metagaming I can think of off the top of my head are things like picking the exact responses for the massage task(which is probably unnecessary) and not having Scarlett and Sam suck you off in the car and having them make out instead. The car thing is like ch7 though.

 

[Silver_Crow117]

I don't know. Getting k1 is hard. You have to min-max for it. If you just don't pay attention maybe you can screw up bad enough to get k2 naturally.

The only dom min-max point metagaming I can think of off the top of my head are things like picking the exact responses for the massage task(which is probably unnecessary) and not having Scarlett and Sam suck you off in the car and having them make out instead. The car thing is like ch7 though.

Yeah obviously if ur in Kane’s shoes and don’t know about the inner workings of how the system of that world works in a sense, you can definitely end up k4,3,2… with all the forces involved.. obviously personal.. desires can be awakened in the scenario too but yeah

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

On a bit of an off topic thing playing the the sanchomod in the earlier version I just learned that earlier Dom and Juliette alliance that seemingly goes nowhere on the dom path actually happens on the sub path.I wonder how many other scenes are confined to one path like that. ( Probably a bit, but I havent been paying attention).

 

[harsha_26]

Yeah obviously if ur in Kane’s shoes and don’t know about the inner workings of how the system of that world works in a sense, you can definitely end up k4,3,2… with all the forces involved.. obviously personal.. desires can be awakened in the scenario too but yeah

Yes k4 is canon (unofficially). Although tess always said no path is canon but, I think k4 makes sense.

(Edited, sorry for my bad english).