VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.31 FinalA2] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[Stan5851]

Thread seems... Different?
I don't follow very much the game now but, how have we passed from theories and spicy renders to this?

I have never seen this game like a woke game, come on guys. It's just femdom.

When it comes to theorycrafting, we've already discussed everything there is to discuss, and I think that's the problem. Yes, I would love to return to those glorious days, but for now, things are quiet. Perhaps after the new update is released, there will be interesting topics for discussion and debate.

Our group chat, where the last message dates back to April 2025, can also be considered an indicator of the decline and, in part, the loss of interest in the game...

So I want to believe that the new update will be that breath of fresh air that will bring active players back to the fold of theoretical research, solving plot mysteries, and the like. Although I'm not too hopeful about it...Maybe the golden days of KG are long gone..Anyway, time will tell.

 

[Jstforme]

I think Tess severely underestimated just how many people preferred the evil dom Kane route. Getting back at the Karlson women for all the f'd up things they have done and still do, turning their evil back on them was what got me into the game...now that's being watered down and or removed...well it was a great game while it lasted, femdom crap has as much appeal to me as watching grass grow.

 

[rai1230]

I think Tess severely underestimated just how many people preferred the evil dom Kane route. Getting back at the Karlson women for all the f'd up things they have done and still do, turning their evil back on them was what got me into the game...now that's being watered down and or removed...well it was a great game while it lasted, femdom crap has as much appeal to me as watching grass grow.

even though i love femdom i also love maldom and a good revenge story so i get your point its sad that we wont get to see an ending where the MC just goes full on scorched earth mood on the whole organization hopefully in the future sone can make a story like that

 

[Don Sucio]

When it comes to theorycrafting, we've already discussed everything there is to discuss, and I think that's the problem. Yes, I would love to return to those glorious days, but for now, things are quiet. Perhaps after the new update is released, there will be interesting topics for discussion and debate.

Our group chat, where the last message dates back to April 2025, can also be considered an indicator of the decline and, in part, the loss of interest in the game...
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So I want to believe that the new update will be that breath of fresh air that will bring active players back to the fold of theoretical research, solving plot mysteries, and the like. Although I'm not too hopeful about it...Maybe the golden days of KG are long gone..Anyway, time will tell.

Indeed…

Somehow I’ve been visiting this website less and less… But lately I’m quite back, and it’s true I’ve never seen this thread so quiet. Still, that’s normal: we’ve been here for such a long time, through so many chapters… And maybe our hype has faded with time, at least mine has. I think it’s really difficult to keep a game entertaining through so many chapters like this one. This particular game is a challenge for a dev because it can get very repetitive, and in a world where nudes and sex are the norm, it’s hard to get people excited like the very first time.

As you said, we’ll see. This was one of the first games I discovered here on F95 and I have good memories of it (and I still do), thanks to the people here too. So let’s just see how it goes and enjoy the rest of the ride. I’m still waiting for that Kane and Olivia spicy scene, so… there’s still a ride left for me yet.

 

[Stan5851]

its sad that we wont get to see an ending where the MC just goes full on scorched earth mood on the whole organization hopefully in the future sone can make a story like that

It's not necessarily that the canceled finale with DomKane and Kiyomi (whose cancellation, by the way, is also in question because her fiancé and Anais are against it, and Tess wrote that she would think about it) in a very specific/rare World State D was the only one in which the entire organisation falls apart.

Therefore, I believe that it is still possible to shape Dom Kane's path in a certain way, in which there will be room for revenge.As far as I can tell, the “problem” was not in allowing players to destroy this despotic system, but in Kiyomi herself as a character, whose romance with D. Kane was canceled for some reason (before it even began). So I suppose that revenge is still possible, provided that the dev does not radically change her views on the whole story.

 

[motseer]

Indeed…

Somehow I’ve been visiting this website less and less… But lately I’m quite back, and it’s true I’ve never seen this thread so quiet. Still, that’s normal: we’ve been here for such a long time, through so many chapters… And maybe our hype has faded with time, at least mine has. I think it’s really difficult to keep a game entertaining through so many chapters like this one. This particular game is a challenge for a dev because it can get very repetitive, and in a world where nudes and sex are the norm, it’s hard to get people excited like the very first time.

As you said, we’ll see. This was one of the first games I discovered here on F95 and I have good memories of it (and I still do), thanks to the people here too. So let’s just see how it goes and enjoy the rest of the ride. I’m still waiting for that Kane and Olivia spicy scene, so… there’s still a ride left for me yet.

I don't think it's terribly profound that there is, currently, less activity in the thread. Rather, it's typical. It's a type of "law of diminishing return". Immediately after an update the conversation is intense and participation is high. As the time goes on before the next update, the amount of participation and enthusiasm diminishes. If you made a graph, I think you would also see that this pattern gradually increases in magnitude and duration as update after update both increase in number and time between. Things will pick up again after the next one, I'm quite certain.

 

[Stan5851]

I don't think it's terribly profound that there is, currently, less activity in the thread. Rather, it's typical. It's a type of "law of diminishing return". Immediately after an update the conversation is intense and participation is high. As the time goes on before the next update, the amount of participation and enthusiasm diminishes. If you made a graph, I think you would also see that this pattern gradually increases in magnitude and duration as update after update both increase in number and time between. Things will pick up again after the next one, I'm quite certain.

From a formal and technical point of view, you are right. The only question is whether our enthusiasm (which prevailed here before) for the game itself will return.

 

[motseer]

From a formal and technical point of view, you are right. The only question is whether our enthusiasm (which prevailed here before) for the game itself will return.

I'd say, in part, that depends on how many things we were right about, how many things we were wrong about, how much either one gratifies or surprises us, respectively, and if any of them manage to sneak up on us. Just another day in the life of the creative mind's virtual world...

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

I'd say, in part, that depends on how many things we were right about, how many things we were wrong about, how much either one gratifies or surprises us, respectively, and if any of them manage to sneak up on us. Just another day in the life of the creative mind's virtual world...

Barring another masked figure, I believe most of the big questions have been answered or are known. The only debates thats happening nowadays is whether or not Olivia is a secret agent.

Here's a question thats a few years too late and Im sure Ive approached before. So we all know there won't be incest in this game because Tess abhors it, however it obviously comes down to the person but Olivia Kane would be as close to incest as can be without meeting the legal definition. Sure, they're not blood related, but they were still raised as brother and sister. Nadia Kane werent raised together, hell barely know each other yet they are blood related. So my ultimate question is which is weirder Kane/Olivia or Kane/Nadia?

 

[kinkyshin]

Indeed…

Somehow I’ve been visiting this website less and less… But lately I’m quite back, and it’s true I’ve never seen this thread so quiet. Still, that’s normal: we’ve been here for such a long time, through so many chapters… And maybe our hype has faded with time, at least mine has. I think it’s really difficult to keep a game entertaining through so many chapters like this one. This particular game is a challenge for a dev because it can get very repetitive, and in a world where nudes and sex are the norm, it’s hard to get people excited like the very first time.

As you said, we’ll see. This was one of the first games I discovered here on F95 and I have good memories of it (and I still do), thanks to the people here too. So let’s just see how it goes and enjoy the rest of the ride. I’m still waiting for that Kane and Olivia spicy scene, so… there’s still a ride left for me yet.

My hype hasn't faded at all, in fact it's the opposite. A long while back when KG didn't have very many chapters, I remember being pretty underwhelmed and thinking that this AVN was goofy as hell with how the women acted. I understand some people being upset about the evil dom route being gutted, but other than that I think the AVN has only gotten better with each update. My only real problem with the story now is that I get too immersed from Kane's perspective and I get mad lol (especially on the sub route). I didn't understand why everyone hated Cersei and Joffrey so much back when GoT was huge but now I fucking get it. We need justice for both Kane and Thad Howardson.

Barring another masked figure, I believe most of the big questions have been answered or are known. The only debates thats happening nowadays is whether or not Olivia is a secret agent.

Eh, I actually feel like this particular debate hasn't happened in a while. The last update is pretty much proof that Olivia was the daughter at Alexander's deathbed. And even if you somehow think that she wasn't the daughter at his deathbed, Callista still spoke to her about some things, meaning she definitely knows more than she has pretended (both to other characters and to the readers). So the 'secret agent' isn't really a theory at this point, it's just a matter of how much she knows. Tess said that Callista "certainly didn't tell her everything", but she didn't mention what Alexander could've told her.

There's still plenty of unanswered questions, but the problem is that they always just lead to the same point, which is... that we simply don't have enough evidence yet.

 

[harsha_26]

Well, considering this, it is now at least clear why a secondary character suddenly gained "immortality", joining V and Astrid. Because before that, I had no reasonable explanation for why Delilah suddenly deserved such a honor.

Yeah, Tess always indirectly talks about Veronica as great and all and identifies with her with personality etc and Anais for Delilah. No wonder they have made their alter-egos as immortal. Only astrid is somewhat believable character that will have a future in TQA.

 

[Maviarab]

So we all know there won't be incest in this game because Tess abhors it, however it obviously comes down to the person but Olivia Kane would be as close to incest as can be without meeting the legal definition. Sure, they're not blood related, but they were still raised as brother and sister. Nadia Kane werent raised together, hell barely know each other yet they are blood related. So my ultimate question is which is weirder Kane/Olivia or Kane/Nadia.

I'll preface this by saying, as long as adults, consenting and no one is getting hurt (and no intentional grooming has taken place)...I personally don't care who is fucking who, why, where or with what. None of my business and who am I to tell two people in love what they can and can't do.

That said, Kane/Olivia would definitely be weirder. As you say, been raised together (until Olivia was at least old enough to start being taught on her own). All Kane has ever known is that Liv is his sister (remains to be seen just how long exactly Liv knew he wasn't). This is why it's Olivia who asks Kane if he can see her differently, as a woman and not his sister.

Nadia may be blood related but until a few days ago he never even knew she existed. He is still unaware of who she is so why would you 'not' be romantically/sexually interested in a person (applies to RL too) that you do not know, have never known? Plenty of real life cases of siblings seperated at birth/young age later meeting and getting together only to find out later they are related. So what...are they happy? Are they hurting anyone?

Besides, with no prior familial relations through the generations, the odds of any birth defect are no higher than any non-related couple. It's all crap peddled by the church. It's wrong, illegal...because of the church (and then reinforced through family) and sorry, but in my firm opinion, laws from the church and bible (other than shit like don't kill people) have zero place in any modern society or political reasoning (and besides, apaprently Eve only had 2 sons anyway remember....soooo....yeah lol *shrugs*).

 

[motseer]

Barring another masked figure, I believe most of the big questions have been answered or are known. The only debates thats happening nowadays is whether or not Olivia is a secret agent.

Here's a question thats a few years too late and Im sure Ive approached before. So we all know there won't be incest in this game because Tess abhors it, however it obviously comes down to the person but Olivia Kane would be as close to incest as can be without meeting the legal definition. Sure, they're not blood related, but they were still raised as brother and sister. Nadia Kane werent raised together, hell barely know each other yet they are blood related. So my ultimate question is which is weirder Kane/Olivia or Kane/Nadia.

...laws from the church and bible (other than shit like don't kill people) have zero place in any modern society or political reasoning (and besides, apaprently Eve only had 2 sons anyway remember....soooo....yeah lol *shrugs*).

I'm with Mav, in that I don't see it as weird, only taboo. Plus, it's only taboo because society (and the church) want to decide for me. BTW, Mav, just because the church is run by assholes, don't blame the writers of the bible. The story of Lot being seduced by his daughters is presented in the light of necessary procreation just as you point out about Eve, and let's not forget Noah. I won't even start on where Lilith comes into all of that...

 

[Don Sucio]

I don't think it's terribly profound that there is, currently, less activity in the thread. Rather, it's typical. It's a type of "law of diminishing return". Immediately after an update the conversation is intense and participation is high. As the time goes on before the next update, the amount of participation and enthusiasm diminishes. If you made a graph, I think you would also see that this pattern gradually increases in magnitude and duration as update after update both increase in number and time between. Things will pick up again after the next one, I'm quite certain.

Yeah you could be right, but I can't deny my feelings about the game or the thread now.

I think is normal btw, after all we have discussed all possible theories, or at least the theories which really are important for the main plot. For me KG became less interesting when Tess said she didn't want incest and these things, the removal of the evil dom path.. I started this game with the sub path, but I discovered the evil dom path and man.. That was intense, It hurted me a little when Tess removed it (but I understand why tho).

When the new chapter arrives the thread will have more activitie, but I think is not going to be the same, the main plot is already discovered, and this is normal, and we know pretty much about the characters and their objetives and desires so I don't think it will be a lot of things to discuss, or maybe Tess surprise me, I would love that

I'll preface this by saying, as long as adults, consenting and no one is getting hurt (and no intentional grooming has taken place)...I personally don't care who is fucking who, why, where or with what. None of my business and who am I to tell two people in love what they can and can't do.

That said, Kane/Olivia would definitely be weirder. As you say, been raised together (until Olivia was at least old enough to start being taught on her own). All Kane has ever known is that Liv is his sister (remains to be seen just how long exactly Liv knew he wasn't). This is why it's Olivia who asks Kane if he can see her differently, as a woman and not his sister.

Nadia may be blood related but until a few days ago he never even knew she existed. He is still unaware of who she is so why would you 'not' be romantically/sexually interested in a person (applies to RL too) that you do not know, have never known? Plenty of real life cases of siblings seperated at birth/young age later meeting and getting together only to find out later they are related. So what...are they happy? Are they hurting anyone?

Besides, with no prior familial relations through the generations, the odds of any birth defect are no higher than any non-related couple. It's all crap peddled by the church. It's wrong, illegal...because of the church (and then reinforced through family) and sorry, but in my firm opinion, laws from the church and bible (other than shit like don't kill people) have zero place in any modern society or political reasoning (and besides, apaprently Eve only had 2 sons anyway remember....soooo....yeah lol *shrugs*).

Yeah, for me incest is taboo, I mean, I don't now if I would be good with a friend of mine having sex with his sister, or inside my family, I don't know, but I know it exists and if people want to fuck inside the family... I don't really care, I mean, who cares?

But you know, I have some kinks that remains here, I get excited with some things that I have the sensation if I try them in real life I'm not going to like them, it's strange.

 

[Maviarab]

But you know, I have some kinks that remains here, I get excited with some things that I have the sensation if I try them in real life I'm not going to like them, it's strange.

Not strange at all. It's called being level headed and intelligent enough to realise that some kinks/fantasies are better left where they are. I've seen too many relationships broken because they didn't stay in their heads.

I have a lot myself that I know I would probably hate in real life and some that I would never even consider doing.

 

[PickerLewd]

I have a lot myself that I know I would probably hate in real life and some that I would never even consider doing.

Just do it ! For example, try drinking a coffee without wearing your helmet.

 

[Maviarab]

Just do it ! For example, try drinking a coffee without wearing your helmet.

(And 2k posts!)

 

[Zenneto]

Which evil dom path is being removed? The male or female one?

 

[jadepaladin]

Which evil dom path is being removed? The male or female one?

Male.

 

[geebster]

I'll preface this by saying, as long as adults, consenting and no one is getting hurt (and no intentional grooming has taken place)...I personally don't care who is fucking who, why, where or with what. None of my business and who am I to tell two people in love what they can and can't do.

That said, Kane/Olivia would definitely be weirder. As you say, been raised together (until Olivia was at least old enough to start being taught on her own). All Kane has ever known is that Liv is his sister (remains to be seen just how long exactly Liv knew he wasn't). This is why it's Olivia who asks Kane if he can see her differently, as a woman and not his sister.

Nadia may be blood related but until a few days ago he never even knew she existed. He is still unaware of who she is so why would you 'not' be romantically/sexually interested in a person (applies to RL too) that you do not know, have never known? Plenty of real life cases of siblings seperated at birth/young age later meeting and getting together only to find out later they are related. So what...are they happy? Are they hurting anyone?

Besides, with no prior familial relations through the generations, the odds of any birth defect are no higher than any non-related couple. It's all crap peddled by the church. It's wrong, illegal...because of the church (and then reinforced through family) and sorry, but in my firm opinion, laws from the church and bible (other than shit like don't kill people) have zero place in any modern society or political reasoning (and besides, apaprently Eve only had 2 sons anyway remember....soooo....yeah lol *shrugs*).

This is just not true. Im a doctor btw so this is 100% in my wheelhouse to comment on (also did a major in genetics but thats undergraduate work). Having more consanguinity in a family history DECREASES the amount of genetic defects long term as it reveals autosomal recessives in the pool that can then be acted on (i.e. selected against). But a single event of consanguinity is always going to carry a higher risk of defects. Its simple genetics. Also you can just go on google scholar and see countless studies on this xD. Theres a decent one looking at consanguineous marriage in Saudi Arabia that shows that even in families that have done it a long time (i.e. have removed a lot of recessives from their genetics), theres still an increased overall prevalence of defects.

We can agree that religious rules shouldnt apply to people en masse. Its fine for someone to believe in whatever they want (as long as they dont affect anyone else), but forcing it on others is where reasonable people draw the line. However that is not what happened with consanguinity. If you want to disprove it you need more than just claiming it to be a myth. Theres a lot of data to explain away and basic genetic theory (like highschool level genetics really) to re-imagine. Also if one believes that the proof is in the pudding, highly theocratic countries of semitic faiths have higher consanguinity than other similarly developed nations, so even if its outlawed in Leviticus, its not exactly limited as of today. Secular societies are oddly more strongly against it, likely due to the science side of things. Things like polygamy being illegal is something I would agree with you on. Bible denounces it, and there is no measurable harm whatsoever, other than to tax policy (which gets trickier I guess xD). Its more than 2 happy people wanting to be happy together. It isnt even illegal as an act but only if labeled as such, its like prostitution where its perfectly legal unless someone is paid, which is stupid. Incest isnt without harm (whether the government should outlaw such harms instead of simply advising people is a different discussion).

Also the no incest thing isnt about Mistress Tess hating on incest its cause its against patreon policy. She has never said that consensual incest among people of similar ages is something she had an issue with in games, though she has said that like father and young daughter stuff creeps her out (which is totally reasonable imo). Kane and Olivia isnt specifically incest even though it might feel that way to Kane (and he has the option to say that and cut it off before stuff even happen if the player feels that way).

So its neither about any sort of genetic risk (that actually exists) or about the content being abhorred or immoral, its about platform restrictions. No *actual* incest will exist, but stuff that Kane might possibly feel like being incest already does (Delilah and Olivia).