VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.31 FinalA2] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[kinkyshin]

I've said it before that it could be any of the 3 evil Karlsson sisters, or the mysterious 7th board member (if it's not Astrid).

I have a theory of why it could be Dominique, but it's kind of far-fetched and I don't actually believe it myself. Take it with a grain of salt but here it is:

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Facts:
-> Firstly, only Dominique and Veronica have had access to the surveillance on Callista/Olivia/Kane/Seth.
-> Veronica intentionally leaks something.
-> Dominique has Chastain test Kane's cum.

What if:
-> Veronica made sure that Dominique was given access to the surveillance to eliminate all doubt of Callista's death.
-> The thing that Veronica leaked was exclusively to Dominqiue and it was the importance of Kane's bloodline to the gambit.
-> She intentionally did these two things so that Dominique wouldn't press a big red button that blows Kane into smithereens.

Alexander always trusted Veronica with everything... as long as it didn't relate to Callista, since the two of them were close.
This means:
-> Cole
-> Detonator to Kane/Callista.

 

[harsha_26]

QUOTE="kinkyshin, post: 18194291, member: 2446166"]
Callista was still pregnant when she first ran away with Kane. She was caught soon after and forced to take Olivia with her.
I think we can safely assume that's when the bomb was planted (to ensure that Callista would have Kane and Olivia in the gambit). So Veronica would've been like a year old lol.


We can be 100% sure it's not Yvette.

Tess said that Callista needs to hide the fact that she's alive from that person. And Yvette knows she is alive.
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In Karlsson's family, who knows Callista is alive other than Veronica, Yvette, Astrid and Elena? Probably Olivia as Elena might have said it? Does DomKane knew? I clearly didn't remember, please clarify if you remember.

And also, if olivia knew, and since Alesandra is the only one who she got most bonding with in all of Karlsson's family, don't you think she will reveal the fact to Alesandra if she is on demoness path and kane is on good path and doesn't agree for sexual actions? Or else, she herself have own plans not to reveal because she is trying to win Gambit?

 

[harsha_26]

That's right...Besides, if Alexander had talented scientists who were able to synthesize a genetic killer disease for Astrid at his command, what prevented his scientists from making a biological bomb of a different nature? Regarding Yvette, that's also true. Besides, it doesn't seem like Yvette and Callista were enemies at all, considering their friendly encounters in the park and so on.

Clearly Yvette is not a villain, she is the active contributor for revolution path along with Astrid and even if it's true, Veronica should have already know this truth and alerted callista, but it seems, mother and daughter are still in good relations. I'm not it won't be possible, but very unlikely.


My wishful bet is on Alesandra but, my real bet is on.. Well.. Olivia.. How? Figure it out lol.

 

[kinkyshin]

In Karlsson's family, who knows Callista is alive other than Veronica, Yvette, Astrid and Elena? Probably Olivia as Elena might have said it? Does DomKane knew? I clearly didn't remember, please clarify if you remember.

And also, if olivia knew, and since Alesandra is the only one who she got most bonding with in all of Karlsson's family, don't you think she will reveal the fact to Alesandra if she is on demoness path and kane is on good path and doesn't agree for sexual actions? Or else, she herself have own plans not to reveal because she is trying to win Gambit?

Elena, Yvette.
Olivia, Veronica, Astrid.
Possibly Grym Gudinna (who is mostly likely Alessandra), but it's unclear if she knows if the Gambit Queen is Callista or not.

Kane doesn't know Callista is alive on any path yet. But if he is on the revolution path and told Olivia he sees her as more than just a sister, then he might have started to suspect it.

 

[Maviarab]

So Veronica would've been like a year old lol.

24 Years Before GD01	Veronica is born to Yvette du Bellay (7/7/2027), with Olivia born to Elena Caspari 2 days later
22 Years Before GD01	Callista leaves the Karlsson Group with Olivia while (3 months?) pregnant with Kane with help from Cole
21 Years Before GD01	Young Olivia is at a remote mountain temple while Callista gives birth to Kane - (13/10/2029)

 

[kinkyshin]

That's right...Besides, if Alexander had talented scientists who were able to synthesize a genetic killer disease for Astrid at his command, what prevented his scientists from making a biological bomb of a different nature? Regarding Yvette, that's also true. Besides, it doesn't seem like Yvette and Callista were enemies at all, considering their friendly encounters in the park and so on.

Seems like they're on friendly terms to me as well, since they're allied together.

However, there was this moment:

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[kinkyshin]

24 Years Before GD01	Veronica is born to Yvette du Bellay (7/7/2027), with Olivia born to Elena Caspari 2 days later
22 Years Before GD01	Callista leaves the Karlsson Group with Olivia while (3 months?) pregnant with Kane with help from Cole
21 Years Before GD01	Young Olivia is at a remote mountain temple while Callista gives birth to Kane - (13/10/2029)

Yea, I remembered that Olivia was jumping around and speaking while Kane was likely being born.
But regardless if she's a year old or three years old, I don't think she invented a bomb?

 

[harsha_26]

See these story discussions? that's the only reason I like and admire Tess always. What a great story with tight engaging lore and mysteries for a game which is commonly known for being a "femdom VN".

Since it has so much potential for different paths, there is so much you can do with this story.

But, the sad part why we won't see much of the true potential of KG is again, Tess Herself.

 

[Stan5851]

And another thing I wonder is, tess said that we will have option to save one Karlsson in ep 10. Who you think it is? Is it the one with the bomb remote as the truth gets revealed and probably by your analysis Jules?

It seems that even in the 9th... But that's not the point. Yeah, I think it will be Jules, but not because she is the “remote control carrier” (after all, this has not been confirmed and is only my assumption), but because, imo, she is in the most vulnerable position among all the sisters (as strange as it may sound to some).

So I can assume that if the likely attempt to kill a sister is part of Alessandra's evil plan to get rid of two sisters at once (although we haven't been told which ones), then Jules will be the "weak link". Veronica poses no threat to Alessa's plans (oh, if only we knew for sure what those plans are and whether she really wants to be the gray cardinal behind the one who is formally in power, or whether she actually wants to concentrate all power in her own hands)...

But Dominique poses no less of a threat to her than Jules, since Domi openly claims sole power and did not even offer Jules an equal partnership, appointing her as Her Majesty's court jester, who is simply allowed (away from the respectable and honourable ladies) to indulge in her sadistic perversions with murders and other things. And the next Alessa's attempt (if it happens at all) could be the organization of Domi's murder.

 

[harsha_26]

It seems that even in the 9th... But that's not the point. Yeah, I think it will be Jules, but not because she is the “remote control carrier” (after all, this has not been confirmed and is only my assumption), but because, imo, she is in the most vulnerable position among all the sisters (as strange as it may sound to some).

So I can assume that if the likely attempt to kill a sister is part of Alessandra's evil plan to get rid of two sisters at once (although we haven't been told which ones), then Jules will be the "weak link". Veronica poses no threat to Alessa's plans (oh, if only we knew for sure what those plans are and whether she really wants to be the gray cardinal behind the one who is formally in power, or whether she actually wants to concentrate all power in her own hands)...

But Dominique poses no less of a threat to her than Jules, since Domi openly claims sole power and did not even offer Jules an equal partnership, appointing her as Her Majesty's court jester, who is simply allowed (away from the respectable and honourable ladies) to indulge in her sadistic perversions with murders and other things. And the next Alessa's attempt (if it happens at all) could be the organization of Domi's murder.

But still, you believe jules got the remote control but not the alesandra lol.

Anyway, personally, I hate Alesandra the most in Karlsson sisters and next veronica (non-Stacy). Since Veronica is another immortal goddess like her full sister Astrid and de-cock bitch deliah, I feel so happy if we get chance to take some revenge against Alesandra.

 

[Maviarab]

Yea, I remembered that Olivia was jumping around and speaking while Kane was likely being born.
But regardless if she's a year old or three years old, I don't think she invented a bomb?

Lot of talk here but I'll say this...whether she did or she didn't...how and when did they get it into Kane hmmm? I'm pretty sure it wasn't when he was a 6 month featus....

That...is the more relevent question don't you think? Expecially on the dom path.

 

[harsha_26]

How many of you think we never to see the end of KG and she will abandon the game in somewhere around 10 or 11th episode?

 

[kinkyshin]

Lot of talk here but I'll say this...whether she did or she didn't...how and when did they get it into Kane hmmm? I'm pretty sure it wasn't when he was a 6 month featus....

That...is the more relevent question don't you think? Expecially on the dom path.

Yea, I would've assumed that Kane was given the 'bomb' when Callista had been forced to take Olivia.
But yea... I guess he wasn't even born yet.

Also, has Tess ever made any mention if Kane and Nadia are twins or not?

 

[Stan5851]

Lot of talk here but I'll say this...whether she did or she didn't...how and when did they get it into Kane hmmm? I'm pretty sure it wasn't when he was a 6 month featus....

That...is the more relevent question don't you think? Expecially on the dom path.

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[Stan5851]

But still, you believe jules got the remote control but not the alesandra lol.

Anyway, personally, I hate Alesandra the most in Karlsson sisters and next veronica (non-Stacy). Since Veronica is another immortal goddess like her full sister Astrid and de-cock bitch deliah, I feel so happy if we get chance to take some revenge against Alesandra.

It's not a matter of believing or not believing. To be honest, I have no idea who Calista's real enemy is, who doesn't know she's alive. I simply speculated on who could have done it, assuming we agree (?) with the statement that the original idea to plant the bomb on Kane (as a guarantee that Calista would keep her promises and not help him win the Gambit) belonged to Alexander.

So I don't know what to believe yet, but if Callista has no secret enemies, then we have to consider those we do have. And here, literally everything comes into play, from the potential psychological portrait of one sister or another to things like the fact that Jules hates Veronica, which means she's probably not too thrilled with Callista, whom V still idolizes.

So this whole situation with the bomb remote in Kane's body (if this "bomb" is indeed what we think it is) looks even more confusing than the “who is the 7th member of the Board and is it Astrid or not” question that we have already discussed a hundred times..As always, we have too little initial data.¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[harsha_26]

It's not a matter of believing or not believing. To be honest, I have no idea who Calista's real enemy is, who doesn't know she's alive. I simply speculated on who could have done it, assuming we agree (?) with the statement that the original idea to plant the bomb on Kane (as a guarantee that Calista would keep her promises and not help him win the Gambit) belonged to Alexander.

So I don't know what to believe yet, but if Callista has no secret enemies, then we have to consider those we do have. And here, literally everything comes into play, from the potential psychological portrait of one sister or another to things like the fact that Jules hates Veronica, which means she's probably not too thrilled with Callista, whom V still idolizes.

So this whole situation with the bomb remote in Kane's body (if this "bomb" is indeed what we think it is) looks even more confusing than the “who is the 7th member of the Board and is it Astrid or not” question that we have already discussed a hundred times..As always, we have too little initial data.¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I thing to mention, when some of players are discussing about bomb theory in discord, Tess suddenly came in conversation and said we are trying to predict all this in a one dimensional way but it is not. And she referred the multiple dimensions of Pink Cube (or triangle I don't remember) given to Olivia. What is that mean, I don't know.

My guess, May be, the bomb theory is not about one Karlsson sis. Multiple big persons involved.

 

[Stan5851]

I thing to mention, when some of players are discussing about bomb theory in discord, Tess suddenly came in conversation and said we are trying to predict all this in a one dimensional way but it is not. And she referred the multiple dimensions of Pink Cube (or triangle I don't remember) given to Olivia. What is that mean, I don't know.

My guess, May be, the bomb theory is not about one Karlsson sis. Multiple big persons involved.

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[kinkyshin]

Alessandra looks like an imp.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

Callista was still pregnant when she first ran away with Kane. She was caught soon after and forced to take Olivia with her.
I think we can safely assume that's when the bomb was planted (to ensure that Callista would have Kane and Olivia in the gambit). So Veronica would've been like a year old lol.

Why can we safely assume that he'd be able to safely place a bomb in a baby. A bomb that has to account for growth and all kind of other things likely to set off a bomb.
Besides, Kane had the option of saying no to the gambit when he was in jail. What wouldve happened then? Id argue that the bomb was placed in Kane likely shortly before he entered the gambit.

 

[kinkyshin]

Why can we safely assume that he'd be able to safely place a bomb in a baby. A bomb that has to account for growth and all kind of other things likely to set off a bomb.
Besides, Kane had the option of saying no to the gambit when he was in jail. What wouldve happened then? Id argue that the bomb was placed in Kane likely shortly before he entered the gambit.

Does that really make sense though?

You're telling me Callista faked her own death and THEN the Karlsson Group planted a bomb inside of him!?

Literally the whole reason that Callista did fake her death was because of this bomb lol

Like, at this point in time the DeKock Syndicate is so strong, they could just pick him up and he is safe lol... which completely goes against the whole concept of why Kane even needed to participate in the Gambit in the first place.

Clearly Yvette is not a villain, she is the active contributor for revolution path along with Astrid and even if it's true, Veronica should have already know this truth and alerted callista, but it seems, mother and daughter are still in good relations. I'm not it won't be possible, but very unlikely.


My wishful bet is on Alesandra but, my real bet is on.. Well.. Olivia.. How? Figure it out lol.

btw slight correction but here's a list of the people that know at this point:

Callista
Yvette
Cole
Kiyomi
Otto
Nadia (almost certainly)
Stefan (almost certainly)
Cynthia (almost certainly)
Astrid (almost certainly)
Veronica (almost certainly)
Olivia (most likely)
Elena (most likely)
Grym Gudinna (it's possible?)
And of course, whoever has the detonator.