VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.31 FinalA2] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[Rowszix]

Yeah I agree she seems good compared to her Sisters. But I don't know she is a Karlsson. And the game makes it very clear that all of them are cruel and power hungry to some extent, like it is in their genetics. Dominique also wants to improve the conditions of her workers, but she still enjoys torturing Kwame's wife brutally. Even Olivia is kind of corrupted to power in an instant, even if you play her good, she still very much enjoys her new life on the back of others. I just think she still might have her own agenda like they all do. So I just have the gut feeling that there is more to her, than just being the good one.

I interpret that Alexander at some point did understand that he has fallen too far and wanted an heir with Callista to counter his own veil nature and that is the whole idea for the gambit. But this is just my interpretation and maybe he just was a crazy fuck that wanted an even more evil heir with their combined genetics .

 

[DoverDad]

After this update, I get a feeling Kane won't make it to the end. I only play dom route, cannot speak for the subplayers, but won't say why because I won't spoil it for those who have not played the test verson.

Please don't bother asking for links for the final verson when it comes out, I'm sick of the hassle I get when I do post links here, not just for this game but for other games. People are begging for links when i do post, the same people dog pile on me. i sick and tired of 2-face cunts on this site.

 

[HiHaHo]

Yeah I agree she seems good compared to her Sisters. But I don't know she is a Karlsson. And the game makes it very clear that all of them are cruel and power hungry to some extent, like it is in their genetics. Dominique also wants to improve the conditions of her workers, but she still enjoys torturing Kwame's wife brutally. Even Olivia is kind of corrupted to power in an instant, even if you play her good, she still very much enjoys her new life on the back of others. I just think she still might have her own agenda like they all do. So I just have the gut feeling that there is more to her, than just being the good one.

I interpret that Alexander at some point did understand that he has fallen too far and wanted an heir with Callista to counter his own veil nature and that is the whole idea for the gambit. But this is just my interpretation and maybe he just was a crazy fuck that wanted an even more evil heir with their combined genetics .

it most definitely has to do with being a karlson,but not genetics, there is no gene for "evil" or being a "criminal".
culture however is something that fits.
a lot off heinous stuff is just normal for them,its how they grew up,were taught etc. plus as i mentioned before the world setting plays a part,i think its fair to say that that has pushed the "morality scale" to the darker side somewhat.

she could just be the most empathetic off the karslon daughters,thus wanting to distance herself from that,and empathy is something most would consider a good or moral trait.
but growing up in the karlson household,isn't something that a person would escape without being influenced in some way.

 

[harsha_26]

Yeah I agree she seems good compared to her Sisters. But I don't know she is a Karlsson. And the game makes it very clear that all of them are cruel and power hungry to some extent, like it is in their genetics. Dominique also wants to improve the conditions of her workers, but she still enjoys torturing Kwame's wife brutally. Even Olivia is kind of corrupted to power in an instant, even if you play her good, she still very much enjoys her new life on the back of others. I just think she still might have her own agenda like they all do. So I just have the gut feeling that there is more to her, than just being the good one.

I interpret that Alexander at some point did understand that he has fallen too far and wanted an heir with Callista to counter his own veil nature and that is the whole idea for the gambit. But this is just my interpretation and maybe he just was a crazy fuck that wanted an even more evil heir with their combined genetics .

Seems like Alexander's true aim is evil heir only. kane is not the heir. But, he is destined to the father of evil heir. Imagine the son of Kane & Juliette/DemonessOlivia/EvilDominique of evil dom path ending? Callista & Veronica wants to reverse engineer and allow the gambit towards "good" ending.

But, according to Veronica, World going to end in max 50 years and Island4 Space Station is going to be new home of humans. So, the gambit/revolution won't matter it anyway. This game is literally punishing us for choosing other routes than Island4 faction.

 

[Rowszix]

it most definitely has to do with being a karlson,but not genetics, there is no gene for "evil" or being a "criminal".
culture however is something that fits.
a lot off heinous stuff is just normal for them,its how they grew up,were taught etc. plus as i mentioned before the world setting plays a part,i think its fair to say that that has pushed the "morality scale" to the darker side somewhat.

she could just be the most empathetic off the karslon daughters,thus wanting to distance herself from that,and empathy is something most would consider a good or moral trait.
but growing up in the karlson household,isn't something that a person would escape without being influenced in some way.

Hey, I completely agree that there is no gene for evil in real life. But in fiction this can be used as a trope. And it would explain why Olivia is so good adapting to her new role. And even if it isn't the case it could still be what Alexander thought, even if it is bullshit.

 

[Rowszix]

Seems like Alexander's true aim is evil heir only. kane is not the heir. But, he is destined to the father of evil heir. Imagine the son of Kane & Juliette/DemonessOlivia/EvilDominique of evil dom path ending? Callista & Veronica wants to reverse engineer and allow the gambit towards "good" ending.

But, according to Veronica, World going to end in max 50 years and Island4 Space Station is going to be new home of humans. So, the gambit/revolution won't matter it anyway. This game is literally punishing us for choosing other routes than Island4 faction.

Ok but why is the gambit even needed after Alexanders death? Veronica blackmailed her father by threatening to bring down the system by herself. If she actually wanted change, could she just not push her sisters out of power if she is able to deactivate the shock chips and therefore end the rule of the Karlssons in an instant? I know she always says she doesn't want the power to herself, but following this overcomplicated plan with like a thousand variables seems very strange for a scientific/no bullshit mind like Veronicas. It seems more like she simply doesn't really care about anything other than the island. Well maybe this changes after Kane saves Maria.

Edit: Ahh actually punishing for choosing any other faction than the island could actually be interesting. It is the most "good" faction after all. And most of the time the game actually rewards the player for being as evil as possible. So this could actually be a nice twist. Yes you get instant reward by being an asshole, but you loose everything in the end against you will have to work harder for something good to happen, but it is worth it in the end.

 

[harsha_26]

Ok but why is the gambit even needed after Alexanders death? Veronica blackmailed her father by threatening to bring down the system by herself. If she actually wanted change, could she just not push her sisters out of power if she is able to deactivate the shock chips and therefore end the rule of the Karlssons in an instant? I know she always says she doesn't want the power to herself, but following this overcomplicated plan with like a thousand variables seems very strange for a scientific/no bullshit mind like Veronicas. It seems more like she simply doesn't really care about anything other than the island. Well maybe this changes after Kane saves Maria.

Edit: Ahh actually punishing for choosing any other faction than the island could actually be interesting. It is the most "good" faction after all. And most of the time the game actually rewards the player for being as evil as possible. So this could actually be a nice twist. Yes you get instant reward by being an asshole, but you loose everything in the end against you will have to work harder for something good to happen, but it is worth it in the end.

Oh yeah, she definitely changes a bit into optimistic if kane saves maria, and slowly showing improvements in her character, especially in this update. But, that optimism is still in the starting stage (obviously you can't become all good in a single day). Let's see how it goes in future.

Regarding your other question, "why the gambit is still continuing even after alexander death?".. You have to look up a theory called "KaneBomb", is available in thread. It is too much for my layman brain. But, if you understand it, good for you.

 

[harsha_26]

Spoiler: Alexander Vision

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Good or Evil, Live like Alexander, so that you lives on even after your Death.
And Whether we like it or not, it's not Kane, But it's Veronica is going to be the true heir of karlsson's legacy, who lives on even after her death in a museum (anais game) dedicated to her. Bullshit.

 

[Rowszix]

Oh yeah, she definitely changes a bit into optimistic if kane saves maria, and slowly showing improvements in her character, especially in this update. But, that optimism is still in the starting stage (obviously you can't become all good in a single day). Let's see how it goes in future.

Regarding your other question, "why the gambit is still continuing even after alexander death?".. You have to look up a theory called "KaneBomb", is available in thread. It is too much for my layman brain. But, if you understand it, good for you.

Mhh we learn that Olivia was a good person before, and we can play her immediately as evil as Juliette, so at least you can become evil in one day . But yeah I get it.

I tried to read a little bit about the bomb theory. So the idea is Kane has a bomb in him and somebody (but it is unknown who) has the remote to instantly kill him if Callista interferes? Yeah Ok, but that would only explain why Callista lets the gambit happen, not why Veronica let it happen. I can't really find the first comment that mentions this theory, if anybody knows how find it I would really appreciate it .

 

[harsha_26]

Mhh we learn that Olivia was a good person before, and we can play her immediately as evil as Juliette, so at least you can become evil in one day . But yeah I get it.

I tried to read a little bit about the bomb theory. So the idea is Kane has a bomb in him and somebody (but it is unknown who) has the remote to instantly kill him if Callista interferes? Yeah Ok, but that would only explain why Callista lets the gambit happen, not why Veronica let it happen. I can't really find the first comment that mentions this theory, if anybody knows how find it I would really appreciate it .

My assumption is Veronica wants gambit process to go on till the island4 is finally ready to avoid any disruptions in her plans. If kane, olivia, alessandra seems worthy to her, they get the ticket to space station, otherwise she won't care about gambit or karlsson's city. That's why she is not interested in games too. Nadia already got the ticket on the deal that she should be silent on her brother's truth.

 

[Rowszix]

Ok found the thread and screenshot from Tess saying that Kane can be instantly killed and Callista has to hide from the person that can immediately kill him. Ok ... That explains a lot but brings also more questions, but if this secret person knows about the bomb and the gambit and everything, they can't know that Callista is alive, even though she is the gambit queen? Mhh feels strange.

 

[harsha_26]

Ok found the thread and screenshot from Tess saying that Kane can be instantly killed and Callista has to hide from the person that can immediately kill him. Ok ... That explains a lot but brings also more questions, but if this secret person knows about the bomb and the gambit and everything, they can't know that Callista is alive, even though she is the gambit queen? Mhh feels strange.

Callista is a gambit queen but i don't think all knows this truth. Others may be thinking that gambit queen is someone else. May be it's callista's and Veronica's plan to install someone (callista herself) as a gambit queen and do the drama by saying it's part of the gambit plan but in reality that's not Alexander's plan. So, the secret one still does not know that callista is still alive.


My bet is on olivia. For two minutes, think it is olivia and Start the game again and carefully listen to Alexander's conversation in opening scene.

 

[Rowszix]

Callista is a gambit queen but i don't think all knows this truth. Others may be thinking that gambit queen is someone else. May be it's callista's and Veronica's plan to install someone (callista herself) as a gambit queen and do the drama by saying it's part of the gambit plan but in reality that's not Alexander's plan. So, the secret one still does not know that callista is still alive.


My bet is on olivia. For two minutes, think it is olivia and Start the game again and carefully listen to Alexander's conversation in opening scene.

Shit, I think you are right. The music, the acting that she maybe wants to change herself. Everything fits. Then the scene were Callista says her goodbys is when she joined Alexander ...

Haha, that would basically explain every issue I have with her character, but at the same time makes her basically the worst of all the Karlssons, regardless of her morals. She acutally could have warned Kane about everything.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

Ok found the thread and screenshot from Tess saying that Kane can be instantly killed and Callista has to hide from the person that can immediately kill him. Ok ... That explains a lot but brings also more questions, but if this secret person knows about the bomb and the gambit and everything, they can't know that Callista is alive, even though she is the gambit queen? Mhh feels strange.

Other than the dekocks , veronica, cole. kiyomi and Olivia, nobody (including her son) knows callista is alive. They just know of the existence of a gambit queen. Since said queen wears a mask and likly rocks a voice changer, its easy to see how she can get away with staying hidden

 

[Rowszix]

OK, then who do you guys assume Seth parents are? Since nobody of that family seems to be who they are and since Elena tells Olivia he is not her biological brother, but says nothing about Kane it seems sketchy

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

OK, then who do you guys assume Seth parents are? Since nobody of that family seems to be who they are and since Elena tells Olivia he is not her biological brother, but says nothing about Kane it seems sketchy

this is still a theory im woking on so I don't have all the deets but based on the fact that he has a disease that was manufactured by the karlssons and the fact that he wound up with Callista, Im guessing one of Alexander's sisters.

 

[NewGuy2022]

Which statements? Gun to the head hardly qualifies as "consent". No murder in the game either then, it's all just assisted euthanasia.

From what I recall you get options to avoid all the more extreme pegging, sucking dildos, pee, cum eating, poop etc stuff on the sub path, at least during the first stretch of the K4 rank that I saw (you can get promoted from there to k5+ dom path for role reversal which makes for the more interesting story and motivation). It's just a lot of pussy licking, boot/foot licking, some getting whipped, cock caged, crawling on all fours and getting your buttcheek tattooed/branded.
For people who are into either straight up masochism/submission or sadism/domination then the sub/dom paths might both work as basic wish fulfillment porn, no different from harem paths for fans of that. If you're neither into masochism/submission nor sadism/domination then the sub path is the more exciting of the 2 as you're truly afraid for your life throughout the experience, closer to living on a knife's edge with the notion that every decision might seal your fate (and you barely feel in control in the dom path anyway). It felt like the more fullfledged path of the 2 just like NTS unfortunately is often the fuller more developed path in 3dcg 3-path games (loyal/harem vs nts vs ntr).

I used to take part in discussions about the game on KG's discord channel. I had mentioned that for me I was unwilling to play the sub or secret sub paths because I didn't want to watch Kane and the others being tortured and abused; some players like that (ok for them) but it's not for me. That's when the other players posted how it wasn't abuse or torture it was pleasure (um, whatever) and the dev wrote that Kane consents to everything that happens to him. I get that she has to say that to be able to post her product on some forums (because some have rules against non-consensual sex acts) but I had to admit from the renders she posted it didn't appear to me that Kane was enjoying his mistreatment. That's why I say she said he consents to what happens to him.

I don't agree that he consents but since I don't play those paths I don't care what happens there. I'm annoyed by the whole double-standard in the gaming platforms where misogyny is bad but misandry is just fine (I have problems with both of them).

As for the dom path, by 8.3 the player is beginning to earn a tiny amount of independence where he controls what happens in a given scene; I would hope to see this increase with his rank (which still appears to be stuck at K9 even though he's getting better treatment). I mainly chose the dom path because the player is allowed to refuse more things than the sub is, not because I wanted to use maledom on the NPCs. Since the choices were basically dom or sub with nothing in between, I chose the lesser of two evils (dom).

this is still a theory im woking on so I don't have all the deets but based on the fact that he has a disease that was manufactured by the karlssons and the fact that he wound up with Callista, Im guessing one of Alexander's sisters.

I kinda wondered about that, too. I even wondered if he were Astrid's brother (maybe Yvette passed the disease along to some of her offspring?). But that would make the whole romantic tension between Astrid and Seth kinda weird... ...not to mention how Veronica was jilling herself while watching Seth being tormented during the "research"...

 

[NewGuy2022]

Seems like Alexander's true aim is evil heir only. kane is not the heir. But, he is destined to the father of evil heir. Imagine the son of Kane & Juliette/DemonessOlivia/EvilDominique of evil dom path ending? Callista & Veronica wants to reverse engineer and allow the gambit towards "good" ending.

But, according to Veronica, World going to end in max 50 years and Island4 Space Station is going to be new home of humans. So, the gambit/revolution won't matter it anyway. This game is literally punishing us for choosing other routes than Island4 faction.

I'm gonna have to disagree on that one. As I saw the lore, Alexander felt his heir needed to have the perfect bloodline: Alexander's and Callista's (the perfect woman). Because of his infidelity they never had children so their children (Kane and one of the Karlsson sisters) would need to sire the chosen son. I never saw where ethos had anything to do with it; just passing the trials that Alexander had to endure at the hands of his own sisters.

I see Veronica as being purely pragmatic (neither good nor bad even though I do see her enjoying some evil things); the reason Alexander chose her to manage the gambit was because he trusted her to be impartial in executing it; she won't try to sway the results.

 

[RNasc4444]

Haha, that would basically explain every issue I have with her character, but at the same time makes her basically the worst of all the Karlssons, regardless of her morals. She acutally could have warned Kane about everything.

I think this has been obvious since it was revealed she was working with Callista prior to her "kidnapping".

Olivia and Veronica are the absolute worst evil we've seen so far in the game. Bar none. Because between the two of them, they had the power, knowledge and means to put an end to this shitshow before it even started. Yet they chose to let it all happen. At an enormous cost for a lot of people, especially Seth and Kane.

 

[Ianuda]

I played this game around 3 years ago, without ever using guides, the final scene was with Kurumi (?), I think? Now I'm looking into it - and first, the game seems to be alive (which is nice), but what's up with the recent reviews by Bmagada and MikesDK? Why are they bitching about noncon femdom in a femdom game? And why are they bringing up feminism? Like wtf? Has there been more femdom hate as of late, not less? I'm obviously out of the loop.