VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.31 FinalB1] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[NewGuy2022]

Ouch.
He was likely the person who created the environment that allowed so many sadists to commit their acts of sadism.

Which brings me back to the question that I find me asking myself a lot. Who was the great man that Callista and Cole saw? I don't care if you're Mother Theresa, the moment that you threaten my kid is the moment that I never compliment/ speak well of you ever again.

My understanding is that Alexander was a great man before "the change".

That's one of the things I'm hoping to get out of the coming updates (what really happened and why). Was it before, or after, the terrible things his sisters did to him (and what were those things, actually?)

Or was it just a matter of "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely"?

I still have her leading because I get the feeling that sex with her will be mindblowing.
This seems to take a pessimisitc view on power in general. With the exception of maybe Astrid, every other female with even a little bit of power seems to either be corruptible or abuse their power.

Oh, hey sex with most of the women in KG would be incredible and I have a definite thing for sassy redheads so...

But to allow yet another sadist to be a manager/exec for the Karlssons? Nah. Hard pass for me.

I have this weird "you need to be competent" thing about selecting leaders...

And I agree about the inference about people in power. I'v said for sometime that this game leaves one with the view that anyone anywhere with any authority is a sadistic a$$hole and it's just that in some cases we haven't seen their true colors yet.

I don't believe that but it's the viewpoint this game seems to foster.

 

[Darkwen]

To your first question, yes, that's the bug.

To your second question, well, that's how it has been and it will be in future. Tess is afraid of Kane direct involvement of torment/dominate women because of "Patreon censorship" (If you want to believe that). This is what I'm saying from many days but it seems dom players also don't seem to care as long as they get some pussy to fuck.

Is this a bug? or do you have to be evil to get the scene? Because my Kane good and always shows interest in Olivia but doesn't get scene

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

Is this a bug? or do you have to be evil to get the scene? Because my Kane good and always shows interest in Olivia but doesn't get scene

You have to be evil since that room revolves around rubbing the fact that they framed a person in their face.

So, chat, thoughts on the budding Jake, Sonya romance?

 

[Darkwen]

You have to be evil since that room revolves around rubbing the fact that they framed a person in their face.

So, chat, thoughts on the budding Jake, Sonya romance?

I see
kept seeing older post calling it a bug seem odd that it would last this long if it was

 

[Stan5851]

I suppose that you guys are misinterpreting Angelica's behavior...I don't know what she's like on the Sub route, but her behavior on the Dom track tells me that she has certain convictions. Yes, she may be prone to sadistic behavior if her authoritarian environment allows or directly prescribes it, but she definitely dislikes following orders from people like the sadistic bitch Charlotte. Thus, Angelica definitely has internal boundaries for what she will tolerate. At the same time, she is open to new things, provided that

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Whatever that means, heh.

As for the story with Jake, in my opinion, she once again demonstrated that she does not like to make it easier for others to fight for their own survival. At the same time, she is not as sadistic as Chloe. And if we ask Angelica to slow down the wheel so that Jake gets a lighter punishment, it would be unfair to her, and Kane would lose 2 Angelica fav/desire points.

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I think its because she is a child of the wasteland, where strength and the ability to survive are respected above all else. However, if we ask her to stop the wheel so that Jake receives a harsher punishment, we will not earn any points, which may essentially mean that she is indifferent to this sadism and sees this decision more as a challenge that Jake must overcome (again, we remember where she comes from).

Some previous gameplay choices may also reveal something about her. Example 1: If DomKane decides to give each of the girls identical beds, Angelica will later express her disapproval, considering it unfair (- Ang fav pts). However, if each wpod girl gets what she deserves according to her rank, she will be satisfied.

Example 2: She only likes the authoritarian and assertive Kane, and she is the only one whose attractiveness to MC decreases if we refuse to grab any of the girls by the ass (the event where our wpod4 girls go naked into the mine).

In summary, Angelica appears to me to be a determined and assertive person with her own values, which are not yet entirely clear to us, but are generally understandable. This redhead beaity definitely has an inner core (which even the Karlssons will break their teeth on) and her own understanding of justice and what is worthy of respect and what is not. At the same time, Chloe is right when she says that we have no idea what Angelica's true goals are.

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Be that as it may, this combination of qualities makes Angelica the most interesting girl among all four (imo)...which you want to at least figure out, and at most make one of your women.

 

[NewGuy2022]

I suppose that you guys are misinterpreting Angelica's behavior...I don't know what she's like on the Sub route, but her behavior on the Dom track tells me that she has certain convictions. Yes, she may be prone to sadistic behavior if her authoritarian environment allows or directly prescribes it, but she definitely dislikes following orders from people like the sadistic bitch Charlotte. Thus, Angelica definitely has internal boundaries for what she will tolerate. At the same time, she is open to new things, provided that

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Whatever that means, heh.

As for the story with Jake, in my opinion, she once again demonstrated that she does not like to make it easier for others to fight for their own survival. At the same time, she is not as sadistic as Chloe. And if we ask Angelica to slow down the wheel so that Jake gets a lighter punishment, it would be unfair to her, and Kane would lose 2 Angelica fav/desire points.

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I think its because she is a child of the wasteland, where strength and the ability to survive are respected above all else. However, if we ask her to stop the wheel so that Jake receives a harsher punishment, we will not earn any points, which may essentially mean that she is indifferent to this sadism and sees this decision more as a challenge that Jake must overcome (again, we remember where she comes from).

Some previous gameplay choices may also reveal something about her. Example 1: If DomKane decides to give each of the girls identical beds, Angelica will later express her disapproval, considering it unfair (- Ang fav pts). However, if each wpod girl gets what she deserves according to her rank, she will be satisfied.

Example 2: She only likes the authoritarian and assertive Kane, and she is the only one whose attractiveness to MC decreases if we refuse to grab any of the girls by the ass (the event where our wpod4 girls go naked into the mine).

In summary, Angelica appears to me to be a determined and assertive person with her own values, which are not yet entirely clear to us, but are generally understandable. This redhead beaity definitely has an inner core (which even the Karlssons will break their teeth on) and her own understanding of justice and what is worthy of respect and what is not. At the same time, Chloe is right when she says that we have no idea what Angelica's true goals are.

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Be that as it may, this combination of qualities makes Angelica the most interesting girl among all four (imo)...which you want to at least figure out, and at most make one of your women.

I found her to be very interesting, too. As I stated earlier, she was my early favorite among the pod girls until I saw what I continue to see as a sadistic streak. It's not sadistic to you and that's fine.

I see her as trying to manipulate / corrupt Kane (per your screenshot about whipping) and I feel the vibe that she is looking to hitch her wagon to the winning horse, so to speak (I see this in other threads, too). I agree I don't actually know what makes her tick fully and for that reason am reluctant to trust her outside my sight. Telling me that she would whip someone "for me" for no other reason than pleasure is, to me, sadism. Your opinion may differ and that's fine.

i agree with the matter about the wheel because most NPCs in this game appear to lose respect for anyone deciding to make life easier for anyone else. Even Kiyomi (whom I love as a character) shows this same trait. Everyone has to pull their own weight around here and no taking it easy on anyone.

Do I want to understand Angelica better? Sure and if I feel there's a role for her later I wouldn't hesitate to put here there. Consider her for a senior position in the company? Nah. There's way too many sadistic leaders in the Karlsson company already. Not unless she shows some serious competency in an area where other talent is lacking and then only if I am able to control her either directly or through a strong trusted subordinate (and I'm not sure Angelica would like that).

But sex with her? Absolutely! More than once, too!

BTW: what mod are you using? I see the GEEK BONE icons in the lower right corner of your screenshots... ...I'm not familiar with that one.

 

[harsha_26]

I suppose that you guys are misinterpreting Angelica's behavior...I don't know what she's like on the Sub route, but her behavior on the Dom track tells me that she has certain convictions. Yes, she may be prone to sadistic behavior if her authoritarian environment allows or directly prescribes it, but she definitely dislikes following orders from people like the sadistic bitch Charlotte. Thus, Angelica definitely has internal boundaries for what she will tolerate. At the same time, she is open to new things, provided that

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Whatever that means, heh.

As for the story with Jake, in my opinion, she once again demonstrated that she does not like to make it easier for others to fight for their own survival. At the same time, she is not as sadistic as Chloe. And if we ask Angelica to slow down the wheel so that Jake gets a lighter punishment, it would be unfair to her, and Kane would lose 2 Angelica fav/desire points.

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I think its because she is a child of the wasteland, where strength and the ability to survive are respected above all else. However, if we ask her to stop the wheel so that Jake receives a harsher punishment, we will not earn any points, which may essentially mean that she is indifferent to this sadism and sees this decision more as a challenge that Jake must overcome (again, we remember where she comes from).

Some previous gameplay choices may also reveal something about her. Example 1: If DomKane decides to give each of the girls identical beds, Angelica will later express her disapproval, considering it unfair (- Ang fav pts). However, if each wpod girl gets what she deserves according to her rank, she will be satisfied.

Example 2: She only likes the authoritarian and assertive Kane, and she is the only one whose attractiveness to MC decreases if we refuse to grab any of the girls by the ass (the event where our wpod4 girls go naked into the mine).

In summary, Angelica appears to me to be a determined and assertive person with her own values, which are not yet entirely clear to us, but are generally understandable. This redhead beaity definitely has an inner core (which even the Karlssons will break their teeth on) and her own understanding of justice and what is worthy of respect and what is not. At the same time, Chloe is right when she says that we have no idea what Angelica's true goals are.

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Be that as it may, this combination of qualities makes Angelica the most interesting girl among all four (imo)...which you want to at least figure out, and at most make one of your women.

Tess likely won't allow Angelica content to shine compare to chloe. In sub route and especially secret sub route, she got enough content and even fucked Kane. But in dom routes, chloe is highlighted by default unless you are actively pushing angelica in your playthrough (most likely slow burn late game content). It is part of changes list after all the big hiatus.

 

[NewGuy2022]

Tess likely won't allow Angelica content to shine compare to chloe. In sub route and especially secret sub route, she got enough content and even fucked Kane. But in dom routes, chloe is highlighted by default unless you are actively pushing angelica in your playthrough (most likely slow burn late game content). It is part of changes list after all the big hiatus.

I missed seeing (or failed to notice) the changes list. Do you have a link? I'd like to read that.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

I suppose that you guys are misinterpreting Angelica's behavior...I don't know what she's like on the Sub route, but her behavior on the Dom track tells me that she has certain convictions. Yes, she may be prone to sadistic behavior if her authoritarian environment allows or directly prescribes it, but she definitely dislikes following orders from people like the sadistic bitch Charlotte. Thus, Angelica definitely has internal boundaries for what she will tolerate. At the same time, she is open to new things, provided that

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Whatever that means, heh.

As for the story with Jake, in my opinion, she once again demonstrated that she does not like to make it easier for others to fight for their own survival. At the same time, she is not as sadistic as Chloe. And if we ask Angelica to slow down the wheel so that Jake gets a lighter punishment, it would be unfair to her, and Kane would lose 2 Angelica fav/desire points.

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I think its because she is a child of the wasteland, where strength and the ability to survive are respected above all else. However, if we ask her to stop the wheel so that Jake receives a harsher punishment, we will not earn any points, which may essentially mean that she is indifferent to this sadism and sees this decision more as a challenge that Jake must overcome (again, we remember where she comes from).

Some previous gameplay choices may also reveal something about her. Example 1: If DomKane decides to give each of the girls identical beds, Angelica will later express her disapproval, considering it unfair (- Ang fav pts). However, if each wpod girl gets what she deserves according to her rank, she will be satisfied.

Example 2: She only likes the authoritarian and assertive Kane, and she is the only one whose attractiveness to MC decreases if we refuse to grab any of the girls by the ass (the event where our wpod4 girls go naked into the mine).

In summary, Angelica appears to me to be a determined and assertive person with her own values, which are not yet entirely clear to us, but are generally understandable. This redhead beaity definitely has an inner core (which even the Karlssons will break their teeth on) and her own understanding of justice and what is worthy of respect and what is not. At the same time, Chloe is right when she says that we have no idea what Angelica's true goals are.

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Be that as it may, this combination of qualities makes Angelica the most interesting girl among all four (imo)...which you want to at least figure out, and at most make one of your women.

A bit hypocritical for angelica to get mad at the mc for rigging the game for his friend when she's the one who offered to rig it in the first place

Also on another note, I gave up 3 angelica points to chew her out. Cant go around grabbing executives and kissing them. Doing shit like that makes Kane look bad.

 

[harsha_26]

A bit hypocritical for angelica to get mad at the mc for rigging the game for his friend when she's the one who offered to rig it in the first place

Also on another note, I gave up 3 angelica points to chew her out. Cant go around grabbing executives and kissing them. Doing shit like that makes Kane look bad.

I took a second option to discuss privately about this. Yes it made kane look bad. But, I want angelica to stay loyal but still want kane to set some rules. I hope there will be a discussion between kane and angel regarding this.

 

[Bloker997]

No idea if i can ask that here(probably not) any other game with Kiyomi model used for LI?

 

[LustButNotLeast]

We really, really, really, really, really need a Gallery Mod.

 

[Rowszix]

Sorry, I'm not buying it. If she's doing that when Kane obviously does not like it... ...then she's doing it because she likes it. She's just taking a page from her mother: enjoying the emotional pain when the victim realizes the betrayal.

For those who are into that sort of thing, that's fine...

Mhh I think the game needs to be interpreted as sub Kane always kinda likes it. I understand if you think that's kinda bullshit, but yeah good Olivia is not good in a real world good way. She is just less cruel than most. But I guess the same goes for everyone, including good dom Kane if you don't play him as basically abstinent . I simply liked the scene because it felt more light hearted. The whole thing is a drill sergeant/Full Metal Jacket cosplay scene. Chanel tries to teach Lily to be dominant, who kinda sucks at it a little bit and Olivia is obviously having fun. It's just a ridicioulus setup and the whole Olivia interaction also doesn't involve any points that can be gained yet. So I simply enjoyed it because it didn't have the super depressing theme going on. And Olivia being a little bit more mean to Kane and Jake than to other people is also kinda nice in a femdom setup. Every kink play becomes better if you acutally care and love the people that are involved in it. I know this might be not easy to understand if you are not into it. But for me it felt like some groundwork for a kinda "healthy" Mistress/Slave relationship for Olivia and Kane (btw. only for good Olivia, evil Olivia in that scene feels more generic like all the other evil dommes and therefore less intresting in my opinion).

Edit: The only real problem I see if sub Kane rejects Olivia as somebody he sees sexual. If Kane still sees her as his sister, it is really is fucked up to force him to do any kind of sexual acts to her, that includes any kind of pegging/pussy licking/foot worship etc.

 

[Rowszix]

I suppose that you guys are misinterpreting Angelica's behavior...I don't know what she's like on the Sub route, but her behavior on the Dom track tells me that she has certain convictions. Yes, she may be prone to sadistic behavior if her authoritarian environment allows or directly prescribes it, but she definitely dislikes following orders from people like the sadistic bitch Charlotte. Thus, Angelica definitely has internal boundaries for what she will tolerate. At the same time, she is open to new things, provided that

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Whatever that means, heh.

As for the story with Jake, in my opinion, she once again demonstrated that she does not like to make it easier for others to fight for their own survival. At the same time, she is not as sadistic as Chloe. And if we ask Angelica to slow down the wheel so that Jake gets a lighter punishment, it would be unfair to her, and Kane would lose 2 Angelica fav/desire points.

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I think its because she is a child of the wasteland, where strength and the ability to survive are respected above all else. However, if we ask her to stop the wheel so that Jake receives a harsher punishment, we will not earn any points, which may essentially mean that she is indifferent to this sadism and sees this decision more as a challenge that Jake must overcome (again, we remember where she comes from).

Some previous gameplay choices may also reveal something about her. Example 1: If DomKane decides to give each of the girls identical beds, Angelica will later express her disapproval, considering it unfair (- Ang fav pts). However, if each wpod girl gets what she deserves according to her rank, she will be satisfied.

Example 2: She only likes the authoritarian and assertive Kane, and she is the only one whose attractiveness to MC decreases if we refuse to grab any of the girls by the ass (the event where our wpod4 girls go naked into the mine).

In summary, Angelica appears to me to be a determined and assertive person with her own values, which are not yet entirely clear to us, but are generally understandable. This redhead beaity definitely has an inner core (which even the Karlssons will break their teeth on) and her own understanding of justice and what is worthy of respect and what is not. At the same time, Chloe is right when she says that we have no idea what Angelica's true goals are.

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Be that as it may, this combination of qualities makes Angelica the most interesting girl among all four (imo)...which you want to at least figure out, and at most make one of your women.

As others said Angelicas time to shine is most likely tied to secret sub. But I think here she can really shine.

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You have to be evil since that room revolves around rubbing the fact that they framed a person in their face.

So, chat, thoughts on the budding Jake, Sonya romance?

This could be the best outcome for Jake if Kane isn't on dom route and could maybe save him someday or revolution freeing him. Sonya isn't as stupidly evil as a lot of girls in KG. The only other option for him to being kinda save might be as a personal slave for good Olivia.

 

[harsha_26]

As others said Angelicas time to shine is most likely tied to secret sub. But I think here she can really shine.

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But the screen shot you shared is also from secret sub, oh yeah, her shining is mostly confined to that path only. So, chloe is best option to bet on if you are on pure dom.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

This could be the best outcome for Jake if Kane isn't on dom route and could maybe save him someday or revolution freeing him. Sonya isn't as stupidly evil as a lot of girls in KG. The only other option for him to being kinda save might be as a personal slave for good Olivia.

jakes Best outcome is probably good dom kane or even evil dom kane handing him advantages.

 

[Rowszix]

Best option is probably good dom kane or even evil dom kane handing him advantages.

Yeah as I said best option if Kane can't save him or revolution freeing him. Definetly better to serve Sonya instead of Juliette or some New Paris girls .
Ok here is a fun idea for sub route: Nadia claims Jake at some point as a sub romance. Imagine the Olivia/Kane and Nadia/Jake femdom double dates . But no ... Nadia is crazy .

But the screen shot you shared is also from secret sub, oh yeah, her shining is mostly confined to that path only. So, chloe is best option to bet on if you are on pure dom.

Yeah as you already said, her time to shine is on secret sub, just wanted to show the possibilites for her on that route. Somewhere in a walkthrough Tess said that secret sub Kane can be the defacto leader of a faction. So him having a lot of power together with Alessandra but behind closed doors they both serve Angelica.

 

[harsha_26]

Yeah as you already said, her time to shine is on secret sub, just wanted to show the possibilites for her on that route. Somewhere in a walkthrough Tess said that secret sub Kane can be the defacto leader of a faction. So him having a lot of power together with Alessandra but behind closed doors they both serve Angelica.

Yeah, most likely.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

We really, really, really, really, really need a Gallery Mod.

Sancho mod has a gallery mode for the first half of the game, unforch, part 2 doesnt have such a thing.

 

[harsha_26]

Sancho mod has a gallery mode for the first half of the game, unforch, part 2 doesnt have such a thing.

I hope someone does that because, sometimes i wonder did i miss any scenes because of my choices (although I have multiple routes as saves).