VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.31 FinalB1] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[hoochimama]

I'm fixated on that pass we got. If the pods go away after this chapter, what was even the use of having that pass?

Did anyone ever actually get that pass without cheating/rolling back?

 

[ramvivat]

He is dominant in the scenario you mentioned, hell it doesnt even cost him any points, but it also gets him nothing. I remember an early scenario where I got my MC electrocuted because he refused to give into Elena's crap. Didn't get the blowjob from Kat in the car meeting with Elena, but he was dominant. Kane can be as dominant as he wants with little to no sub consequences, it just won't get him anything of substance. While he can dominate whoever he wants, he does have to politic to get nice things. Hell by the end of this update he has his own harem of 5 girls.

if Kane is stubborn, he will not have the opportunity to get the tools of influence. he will become a slave for nothing, otherwise he will be a slave with a pistol from which, seizing the moment, he will be able to shoot the villains one at a time. Elena mentioned cunning, and the prison guard also mentioned cunning. although it's damn disgusting for a man to behave like a woman (to try to behave cunningly instead of using force) - but there's no other way. otherwise - a frame from GTA with the inscription "WASTED"

 

[harsha_26]

Excuse my ignorance, but do you mean a secret sub route for Alessandra where she's my Sub? Or Olivia is the sub?

My playthrough has me maxing out Kane's Dom side points, a mix of good/evil (slightly more evil). Olivia is Evil/Sub/PrincessEyes herself, though I'm not sure how that plays out in scenes. I keep hoping she'll see me as her proper Master, even if she's the Warden and running things. Since Kane told her he wants that sort of relationship, she's been far more assertive in touching me (like the courtroom scene).

Alessandra, on the other hand, doesn't seem like a canditate for me to Dom? Or do you mean Kane is her secret sub, and doing what she commands on the sly?

I mean to say, in secret sub route, there is a chance to control her character unlike other paths. Yes, she will be dominant in that route, but we have choices to make to through her redemption and make her as more of a "good mistress", not completed but the process already started.

But for Dom route and sub routes, Alessandra's mind and heart is still beyond our reach and always will be dangerous if you are not careful.

 

[ramvivat]

like how hitler didn't want to make a better russia? but a better germany

they all loved the endless Russian expanses - Napoleon, Hitler, and even Mussolini or Franco. because there are so many ways to bury your extra soldiers in Russian soil by fertilizing it. If they didn't like it, they wouldn't come.

it's like in another story, a girl says she doesn't care about a dick she secretly glances at.

 

[harsha_26]

I'm fixated on that pass we got. If the pods go away after this chapter, what was even the use of having that pass?
I'm also starting to wonder why the karlsson sisters made a no fuck kane pact if Olivia is not included in said pact.

So when do y'all think that Kane and callista finally meet? My guess is at the end of this chapter, it would be a nice cliffhanger to lead into the next chapter.

My final question which is more rhetorical is what did Pat do that made Veronica aware of Alessandra's plans. That's a really interesting question.

Tess told that there will be a chance to use k-pass after game show results. It can be used for kane's levels or his pod friends level. If not, it can be used as a pass for "special sex scene". Probably a group scene with all the pass scene participants (like pat, kiyo, chanel, delilah)

 

[Stan5851]

To me, it would take balls to say "no" to something a Karlsson wants so refusing sex with Kitty *just because the Karlssons want you to do her* should reward you with dom points... ..not penalize you. Refusing to mash Jake's face into a bowl of dog food should earn you dom points (for defying Juliette) instead of penalizing you with sub pts. Refusing to play darts with a slave as your dartboard should not penalize you if you do it to refuse Tess...

To me, committing acts you don't want to do because you're caving in to the Karlssons should be considered *submissive*, not *dominant.* That's the biggest disconnect I have with the developer.

When Kane refuses to do something and the Karlsson says, "you know, it's not a good idea to refuse a board member request" what I want for Kane to say is, "Oh, yeah? I've got your "submissive" hanging long and low; why don't you blow me?"

It never seems to work out that way for some reason...

All these actions are, for the most part, aimed at testing DomKane. This is quite multifaceted—it tests his managerial and leadership qualities, measures his wit and intelligence, but also his ability to be tough and even cruel towards staff and those below him.

So is a kind of test of loyalty to the company's policy, which is what it is (with a disregard for people's lives, cruelty and humiliation towards "lower people", and other unpleasant things). Therefore, they expect Kane to meet their standards of successful manager, and if you want to move up the ranks as quickly as possible, then sometimes you have to make these kinds of decisions.

Patricia gives Kane some very wise advice at the very beginning of the game. And although formally it concerns how to behave towards Elena, in essence, it is a universal formula for what the Board expects from the assertive Kane, who aspires to the highest power.

 

[Stan5851]

I'm fixated on that pass we got. If the pods go away after this chapter, what was even the use of having that pass?

The point is to use kpass at the end of this chapter (when Kane's actions are finally evaluated) to either accelerate your own advancement—say, from rank K10 straight to M+ or to somehow help those losers Jake and Zach (if they both survive to that point).

I'm also starting to wonder why the karlsson sisters made a no fuck kane pact if Olivia is not included in said pact.

This is the first I've heard of it. My Kane (and I assume yours too) has already fucked all the Karlsson sisters (except for the cute Astrid, who they didn't let us have).

So when do y'all think that Kane and callista finally meet? My guess is at the end of this chapter, it would be a nice cliffhanger to lead into the next chapter.

Yes, I think that's how it will be. But personally, I wouldn't want any "nice cliffhangers" (coz I hate them when they're followed by credits and a long wait for the next episode/chapter/whatever), I'd like to see a thorough heart-to-heart talk between Kane and Callista, and only then the end of the whole chapter. But let's see what Tess comes up with.

My final question which is more rhetorical is what did Pat do that made Veronica aware of Alessandra's plans. That's a really interesting question.

As far as I understand, Pat didn't tell V about Alessandra's plans, and Veronica found out about them some other way (which doesn't surprise me, given her power and technical capabilities for total potential surveillance).

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

This is the first I've heard of it. My Kane (and I assume yours too) has already fucked all the Karlsson sisters (except for the cute Astrid, who they didn't let us have).

Might just be a cant cum inside them rule but it sounds sexual

Olivia also says this which sounds like he cant fuck her



Also, for those who ascribe to the agent Olivia theory, yall just got some more possible proof, or at least another thing to support your theory


The implication being until recently she had the best relationship with her father. However I can also use this same pic as proof that it was Alessandra in the convo at the beginning.

 

[Stan5851]

It seems it's my turn to ask questions now, heh...I'm not at all sure that anyone other than Tess has the answers, but I'll ask anyway.

1. Does anyone know who this person is?

2. Am I correct in understanding that previously there were no details in the game about this plans, nor about Olivia's involvement in it? I'm asking because I don't play the sub route, as a result, I may have missed something.
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[Maviarab]

It seems it's my turn to ask questions now, heh...I'm not at all sure that anyone other than Tess has the answers, but I'll ask anyway.

1. Does anyone know who this person is?
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2. Am I correct in understanding that previously there were no details in the game about this plans, nor about Olivia's involvement in it? I'm asking because I don't play the sub route, as a result, I may have missed something.
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1. Dr. Clarke is the doc at the beginning of the game.

2. Yes this is a sub route thing. Kane (on his knees) meets Olivia in an odd location with a throne (taken there by Chanel iirc)....she mentions this female superiority to Kane and you can agree or not. Olivia is conflicted so your choice makes her mind up for her. LEads to unpleasant scene depending on your choice.

 

[NewGuy2022]

You understand these are more or less completely and utterly useless right? Just flavour text most. Once on a path there is no point to them past a certain point.

To amplify this point, you can leave prison as a sub with more dom points and vice-versa.

I'm starting to come to that line of thinking, yes, but am frustrated by it. Sort of feels like the rules for the game are changing in the 3d quarter... I'm very much a process kind of guy and when you change the process in the middle of execution...

 

[NewGuy2022]

1. Dr. Clarke is the doc at the beginning of the game.

2. Yes this is a sub route thing. Kane (on his knees) meets Olivia in an odd location with a throne (taken there by Chanel iirc)....she mentions this female superiority to Kane and you can agree or not. Olivia is conflicted so your choice makes her mind up for her. LEads to unpleasant scene depending on your choice.

I'll have to take your word for what happens on the sub and ss route(s) since I don't view those. But I did see this discussion on the Good-Dom route... ...I assumed it was to set the parameters for what sort of endings remain in play for the reader. The choice here likely locks out some endings from consideration, I would expect.

 

[hoochimama]

she mentions this female superiority to Kane and you can agree or not. Olivia is conflicted so your choice makes her mind up for her.

Kind of odd that an Evil Olivia would be influenced like that by a sub Kane:

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[NewGuy2022]

So is a kind of test of loyalty to the company's policy, which is what it is (with a disregard for people's lives, cruelty and humiliation towards "lower people", and other unpleasant things). Therefore, they expect Kane to meet their standards of successful manager, and if you want to move up the ranks as quickly as possible, then sometimes you have to make these kinds of decisions.

I get it. What troubles me is the "selling one's soul" to enter management. I have trouble mirroring bad behavior to get into a position to cut down on bad behavior, if that makes sense. I still have my morality (which hurts the player in a game like this) where I find it distasteful to say, "do as I say but don't look at what I do."

My final question which is more rhetorical is what did Pat do that made Veronica aware of Alessandra's plans. That's a really interesting question.

Pat (and most of the mid-tier NPCs in this game) strike me as being willing to sell out anyone for a better deal. Betraying Alessandra would be a pretty dangerous move though... ...I mean with what Alessandra's plotting to do here...

I kind of thought it more likely that Veronica's spy network would pick up on the activity and certainly would have a good chance of intercepting any communications about the subject. If Pat had to delegate any portion of the tasks to anyone else, that adds more vulnerability. "Three can keep a secret when two of them are dead," as the Hell's Angels used to say.

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Kind of odd that an Evil Olivia would be influenced like that by a sub Kane
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Well, with all the background material that suggested Kane and Olivia were so close growing up and with the discussions we saw (on the Good Dom path, at least) the reader is left with a pretty strong impression that the two's opinions matter to each other. Unless the whole thing was a sham and she was just acting when she was a teenager... ...or is she just acting now to gain power within the family?

Hell, I don't know what to believe about KG anymore...

 

[I Fart Loud and Stinky]

This game contain incest?

 

[Stan5851]

This game contain incest?

Nope. The dev hates incest, so it will never be in the game.

 

[Stan5851]

Might just be a cant cum inside them rule but it sounds sexual

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Yeah, apparently, this rule could have referred to a ban on cum inside each of the sisters, but definitely not to a sex with Kane. Although Veronica and her efforts are still the best guarantee that none of the sisters will become pregnant by Kane until such a thing is allowed... Be that as it may, I suppose that this assumed rule is no longer relevant.

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As for not having sex with Olivia, I think it's all because of that silly female teasing in the style of “first prove that you are worthy, and then I will be yours”.

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So it's more a matter of time and the "unwritten laws of the genre". I don't like it when teasing goes on too long, but there's nothing we can do about it.

 

[hoochimama]

This game contain incest?

Adopted B/S.

 

[Stan5851]

MilesEdgeworth, it seems that this rule did indeed exist, but was abolished even earlier than in S2. For example, in season 1, in the first sex scene with evil Dominique (in her private cinema), we see this:

Don't cum in me Kane...not yet time for that..!I promise youll get more later by listening now...

but in the very next scene in her underground house (GoodDominique romance open), DomKane freely cums inside her.

All right, guys and gals, it's been a pleasure conversing with you all, but I'm eager to play the new version of Luna Reloaded before morning. So, I'll see you later. Enjoy the game, everyone.

 

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