VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.31 TestB] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[kinkyshin]

My KaneDom is not having an affair with Alessandra (we're just a fuck buddies), but what is written here seems logical enough. Tier1 means the deepest romances and that means your Kane "secret sub" gets just such a "full-blown" romance with Alessa. Obviously, she's in charge of this relationship and this romance can't be on the terms of a secret sub who willingly submits to her in the bedroom. Oh, and multiple romances with various characters at once is hardly possible with this particular arrangement (Alessa is unlikely to approve it).

I don't think you need to be in that arrangement with Alessandra to be secret sub though. I think simply getting placed in K4, and then quickly climbing up the ranks is considered secret sub as well. (Or does that put you on the Dom route? Idk)

Regardless, it would be nice if there was another major option, especially because it's my favorite route and I don't particularly like Alessandra lol.

 

[Silver_Crow117]

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Almost no love for the secret sub I knew it

I mean… you get Alessandra with the deepest possible romance in the secret sub path and Now revealed Elena and Dr Chastain are revealed to have a secret sub route, it’s just that they have little romance but probably more sub based…

 

[Silver_Crow117]

Tbh (FOR THE SUB PLAYAS HAHA) we still don’t know what the slave routes are or servant type routes but at least for rn we know that, Veronica Romance (Confirmed already), Olivia (Obvious) Junko (Obvious)…. But the surprise to me is….

Claudia?? Having a Sub Romance? That’s surprising but awesome to hear!! Tho she might take up some tips from her mother (Phoebe)… either way that was a nice surprise to me!

 

[depeche mode]

sub kane being a boy toy for elena would be top class

 

[f96zonetrooper]

Good point, i like some stylish hairy pussies, like forming a heart or things like that with a little hair. It could be nice.But i don´t remember any hairy pussy.

Maybe the reason is the sisters and others girls find hairy pussies like something dirty, they are the elite and they are always clean (at least this is my view about them), or simply Tess hasn´t added that becouse she doesn´t like it, i don´t know.

The ladies in KG like to get oral service ... and having too much hair down there would spoil the experience, both on the giving and receiving side.
So no hair seems consistent and fine.

 

[Stan5851]

I don't think you need to be in that arrangement with Alessandra to be secret sub though. I think simply getting placed in K4, and then quickly climbing up the ranks is considered secret sub as well. (Or does that put you on the Dom route? Idk)

Regardless, it would be nice if there was another major option, especially because it's my favorite route and I don't particularly like Alessandra lol.

I don't play sub routes, so it's hard for me to answer anything specific about this. The most interesting thing (imo) is exactly what states of the world (and Karlsson's group) Tess means by A, B, C and D. We can make some general assumptions, but we have no idea what exactly those might be. I'll try to speculate.

For example, knowing that the romance with Juliette is only possible for world state "A", like "Alessandra and Celeste, only world state A", and knowing the characters of these Alessa and Jul, I'll hazard a guess that "A" is a fundamental state in which no paradigm shift in the development of the world has occurred. That is, Karlsson Group remains the same perverted and vicious company, and it will not be possible to change this world, making it a little more fair.

That said, "B" is an extremely mysterious variable that can exist in either the main world state "A" or the alternate world state "C".

Perhaps I'm wrong and world state "A" is something else, but something tells me that a romance with two of the most evil and conniving sisters (Juliette and Alessandra) in the same world state implies that this WS is quite satisfactory to these sisters. And we know what they want (in general terms)... At least, neither Alessa nor Jul are involved in Veronica and Dominique's overall efforts to restore plant life on the mainland. So it's unlikely that "A" is anything conventionally "good" (again, I could be wrong).

Junko, World State B or C
Delilah, World State A or C.

It's interesting here...but you can fantasise. My guess is that "C" is the state of the world in which the very revolution the miners are planning, with the likely support of the DeKock family, has occurred. More locally, it could be a state where the Karlsson Group has lost its main leaders and now only our KaneDom and some of his family (on his father's side), i.e. the DeKock, are in charge.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

Knowing what we know world state a is evil dom
Just a guess, but world state b is probably the revolution
not sure what world state c is yet

 

[BurgRoyce]

It seems WS A is more or less the current status quo. Evil, oppresive Karlsson Group. (But then, if you push Dominique to the "good side", you'd expect her to be on another WS, right?)
WS B and C are too mysterious right now.

 

[Maviarab]

Knowing what we know world state a is evil dom
Just a guess, but world state b is probably the revolution
not sure what world state c is yet

I think you're probably on the money there, which makes it interesting if romancing a 'good' Dominique...which world state would that fit into then?

 

[Sharpshooter890]

I would assume that WS A is a consolidation of Karlsson Group and perhaps De Kock Syndicate under MC and his LI, but no meaningful change in policy. WS C is a full disintegration of the companies, with few execs surviving and grabbing what power/property they can. WS B would probably be the healing of the world scenario, and WS D - full blown slave revolt with the Great Terror ala the French/Russian revolutions, where the ruling class gets exterminated and then the world probably ends since no more scientists/equipment.

I just hope on my experimental "K1 Kane, evil Olivia" save he gets a chance to kill her before the end. After that - let the world burn.

 

[Stan5851]

Knowing what we know world state a is evil dom
Just a guess, but world state b is probably the revolution
not sure what world state c is yet

I assume that the revolution is exactly C. (wrote about it above). It's enough just to look at the "beneficiaries".

Junko - she is one of the participants in the future revolution (along with Otto and hence the DeKocks). Delilah DeKock is a likely relative of Kane and a direct stakeholder in this revolution that will sweep away the current owners of the Karlsson Group.

Yes, some may say that since Kiyomi welcomes the state of the B world, it means revolution, but who ever said that Kiyomi is willing to betray the interests of the company? Veronica is also "B" - does that mean that our brilliant scientist, head of R&D, Intelligence and Vipers will be happy for the unwashed miners (along with the DeKocks) to sweep her and her sisters out of power and bury her research? Plus, Veronica has a vested interest in making sure Gambit's conditions are met, and a revolution is something out of the ordinary that automatically breaks all plans.

Of course, I could be wrong, but that's how I see it.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

I think you're probably on the money there, which makes it interesting if romancing a 'good' Dominique...which world state would that fit into then?

Id guess c but since its not listed, it has to be A which means A has to mean something other than evil dom.

Perhaps it goes something like this
a- Karlsson in charge/ status quo
b- revolution
c- decocks take over?
I imagine d is something very bad for kane like death or something similar

 

[Maviarab]

Id guess c but since its not listed, it has to be A which means A has to mean something other than evil dom.

Perhaps it goes something like this
a- Karlsson in charge/ status quo
b- revolution
c- decocks take over?
I imagine d is something very bad for kane like death or something similar

Exactly my thinking...WS: A cannot be the status quo (Evil corp) as otherwise, why would their be a 'deep romance' for evil Dominique but not for the good Dominique? I mean I guess Tess could differentiate the two but given how she operates with trying to make routes even...I would be surprised if that was the case.

It's funny in a way but (unless that was Tess' intention), it just throws us more questions rather than answering anything hahaha. Still, if nothing else, it gives us something more to discuss and try and figure out for the next month, though I think I agree with Stan5851 that the Junko world state has to be the revolution/slave uprising end.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

I assume that the revolution is exactly C. (wrote about it above). It's enough just to look at the "beneficiaries".

Junko - she is one of the participants in the future revolution (along with Otto and hence the DeKocks). Delilah Kock is a likely relative of Kane and a direct stakeholder in this revolution that will sweep away the current owners of the Karlsson Group.

Yes, some may say that since Kiyomi welcomes the state of the B world, it means revolution, but who ever said that Kiyomi is willing to betray the interests of the company? Veronica is also "B" - does that mean that our brilliant scientist, head of R&D, Intelligence and Vipers will be happy for the unwashed miners (along with the DeKocks) to sweep her and her sisters out of power and bury her research? Plus, Veronica has a vested interest in making sure Gambit's conditions are met, and a revolution is something out of the ordinary that automatically breaks all plans.

Of course, I could be wrong, but that's how I see it.

Whats throwing me off with C is delilah. Veronica and Kiyomi go hand in hand and while we know that kiyomi wont betray the interests of her employers, what if Veronica is fine not being in power? We know that she's the only sister that doesn't want the power in any form. If Veronica gives the ok, I could see Kiyomi going along with things. I could see Veronica being fine and possibly flourishing in a world where shes not in power as long as she can do her science stuff. Not to mention I believe she'd probably support damn there anything that Kane does since he's her only friend.
What you said also makes sense. I gotta replay it this weekend cuz there are so many options.

 

[Maviarab]

What you said also makes sense. I gotta replay it this weekend cuz there are so many options.

Other than for the timeline I'm making, one of the main reasons I'm doing more paths/saves currently, so many damn variables and endings etc...even if I have my favourite paths...I still want to see all the permutations come to fruition...too much work gone into it to not at least see all the content possible once.

As for Delilah...I agree, that is a spanner in the works...maybe something happens to force her to have a change of heart (somewhat) and mellow a little? *shrugs*

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

Other than for the timeline I'm making, one of the main reasons I'm doing more paths/saves currently, so many damn variables and endings etc...even if I have my favourite paths...I still want to see all the permutations come to fruition...too much work gone into it to not at least see all the content possible once.

Yea I believe I might have to play the sub route and spam the ff button to get the full story. Cuz at the moment I only have half the story minus whatever Im told in this thread. Im betting there's clues in subs that would help with this newest puzzle

 

[Stan5851]

I think you're probably on the money there, which makes it interesting if romancing a 'good' Dominique...which world state would that fit into then?

Perhaps the answer to your question has to do with the character's flexibility rating. As you recall, Dominique is not a particularly flexible character, which could theoretically mean that even a "good" Dominique would not be willing to accept a different state of the world than "A" (if we assume that "A" means that globally and politically the world hasn't changed and Karlsson Group is still the same evil and vicious company oppressing people). That is, we can change Dominique's personality to make her more human and kinder, but this need not necessarily mean that even such a Dominique would be happy with a different world state(s) in which she means nothing (whether B or C).

 

[Maviarab]

Yea I believe I might have to play the sub route and spam the ff button to get the full story. Cuz at the moment I only have half the story minus whatever Im told in this thread. Im betting there's clues in subs that would help with this newest puzzle

Exactly. As beautiful as some of the ladies are, I'm no submissive haha but yeah..content and more clues. Also, as you say, onloy one side of the equation so far so difficult to join some conversations or advise people when literally not played half of the game/seen half the content.

Perhaps the answer to your question has to do with the character's flexibility rating. As you recall, Dominique is not a particularly flexible character, which could theoretically mean that even a "good" Dominique would not be willing to accept a different state of the world than A (if we assume that "A" means that globally and politically the world hasn't changed and Karlsson Group is still the same evil and vicious company oppressing people). That is, we can change Dominique's personality to make her more human and kinder, but this need not necessarily mean that even such a Dominique would be happy with a different world state(s) in which she means nothing (whether B or C).

You're right, I had forgot that and yes that would make a lot of sense for her...more mellow and making more good decisions...but still wants things to pretty much stay as is.

 

[Silver_Crow117]

Okay…

Yea I believe I might have to play the sub route and spam the ff button to get the full story. Cuz at the moment I only have half the story minus whatever Im told in this thread. Im betting there's clues in subs that would help with this newest puzzle

spam the FF Button!!! How can you experience true greatness then!! LOL but seriously looking at it from the sub player POV, it’s difficult to say because we don’t know which characters are slave only and Servant/other type of submissive route…

what we do know, is that Olivia (The Good Version) is a romance,

Veronica is a Romance…(and Tess has said about that, “
so for example Veronica might not want a K1
err K2
But Juliette would stuff like that” and also “Veronica is one of the few characters that can romance a sub or dom.”… She also said this about Kyomi as well… and finally about Veronica she said, “Ah, have to run now but not really too much, impressing her is not about being loyal/waiting for her but rather how you think (this will come into play later more, have to get past show)”.

Junko is a romance path (for obvious reasons),
And surprisingly Claudia Getting a romance path! Truthfully I’m surprised but I’m not at the same time because there’s a section in the k4 sub path where ur servicing both Dominique and Claudia (but Claudia is more focused…) and in those scene you can have her be more harsh or nice… and overall Claudia is more respectful to sub Kane at that point… so I can actually see a romancing blossoming (but of course she might have a slave path as well..)

Furthermore, we gotta Remeber this is just the romancable characters so not every characters are listed… anyways on the note of Delilah, She will be Romancable to the point of Dom Kane, but also there is Sub route to her as well… to what extent (slave or servant(other) who knows but she said this when I asked her about Phoebes route, “Phoebe is not what I call a primary route so it will not be difficult but also probably not as in depth as with Delilah and certainly some others.” So my guess is that either you can rise with the Decocks and Shake the KG to the core… or it comes to the point where the Decocks take you in as Delilah’s Sub…

Remeber Miss Tess said that

“World State B is a separate thing that may or may not happen regardless of A or C. (it can happen with both results)” and “World State D is different than A or C, B can still happen with this too.”

“Err, logically no romances with World State D might imply something with Kane.”

its seems to me that WS B is a Romantic pathway for Subs because WS D is where the slave/Servant- KG is Still Connected as an organization (I could be wrong about this) because WS B can still happen regardless of the outcomes of WS A and WS C… Kyomi is B as well with Elena being B and C… which means I think It’s not pure submissive/slave romance but it still Sub Romance in a way…

 

[Stan5851]

Maviarab, I was particularly interested in these combinations.
Tier 2:
Kiyomi, only in the B world
Angelica, world A only

I've long wished that in one of the Dom playthroughs, Kane had the opportunity to have a romance with Kiyomi. I wonder if that's the case, or if it means a sub-romance between Seth and Kiyomi? I hope this is still specifically about KaneDom + Kiyomi. Well Angelica is my favourite of all the girls in Wpod2, and she deserves something more than just being a submissive slave.