Even if this is true, I still think that this is a big betrayal from her and I wonder how Kane (the different possible versions of him) would react when learing the truth (Except of course if she infromed him about it beforehand. The actual lack of inner thoughts/inner monolgue of both, Olvia and Kane, makes me think that there is a possibility for this).
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MilesEdgeworth
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While I see your point, IMO Alexander is alot worse esp when we compare how he raised his kids to how Callista raised hers. While yes, Callista fucked him by throwing him into this dangerous world with little to no training, she's doing what she feels that she has to do for his survival. Will that stop me from betraying her at the first opportunity? nope. If Tess allows the player, my Kane is gonna tell callista exactly what he thinks of her.
To address the first part, I think Callista's ultimate plan iw to run the Karlsson syndicate through her son. which is why it would be a betrayal to Callista if Kane turns out to be a tyranical leader.
It's been a month now and the latest update is still on Test version, I've been waiting for the final version and walkthrough to come out so that I can finally play, any news on when that might happen? I believe there were scenes missing.
Intresting, what gives you the vibe that Callista wants to run the Karlsson syndicate, always thought she just wants go get Kane out. I think even the revolution is more Cole than her? Or maybe the revolution is actually her plan from the very beginning (or at least plan b)? Because I think having Kane at the mercy of the Karlsson sisters is always very dangerous, even if he prevails in the programm and is on higher tanks, there is basically no guarantee that not one of the sisters just snaps and puts him down to a very low rank (or just kill him). We saw that they basically have the power to increase/decrease Kane's rank however they like... And I would not say that they all are super mentally stable
.Maybe she told Olivia to go in as the warden, and get a lot of attention on her, so she can go further with the revolution? But maybe her Plan A was Olivia/Kane gambit win. But as soon as something might not go as planned: Viva la revolución.
Also very intresting is the question, what will Veronica do if Maria is not saved and the revolution starts getting steam. She basically already knows everything about it and could most likely just stop it. So will the revolution maybe just fail when Veronica is not on her "redemption" path?
Final Test version most likely sometime next week, final release around christmas.
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Damn, this is one of those games that would have been much better if the female protagonist wasn't related to the MC but his gf or something....
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I get what you mean but at the same time you evidenced the very thing I'm struggling to comprehend.
If anyone has clear insight into how Alexander became the man we are told it would be her, no? We know part of the reason was the torment he suffered at the hands of his sisters, correct? Callista leaving and Cole's betrayal only exacerbated this, right? Then why oh why would Callista raise Kane to be good and righteous but leave him in the dark and deliver him to be tormented by the Karlsson's?!?!? Doesn't this seem counterproductive? Doesn't this almost ensure he becomes evil, sadistic and antagonistic towards her? What is her reasoning here?
It pisses me off to no end that she did that to her own flesh and blood. And to poor Seth. But Olivia, who isn't even her daughter, she protected and trained. Olivia, she armed with knowledge and a plan. Olivia who would not be in any semblance of danger simply by being the daughter of who she is, she coddled and prepared. It's ludicrous.
I stand by my opinion. She is at the very least as bad as Alexander. Different kinds of evil perhaps, but similarly evil nonetheless.
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Would also be much better for you if you knew what you were on about.
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I think Alexander and his Sisters had a very good relationship, they also adored Callista and left together with her (correct me if I am wrong). I think you meet one them in a Olivia flashback.
Alexanders downfall began already when Callista was still there (hence the cheating with Elena), but afterwards intensified extremly, since he lost the only thing that acutally had a meaning to him (Callista, his sisters and Cole).
Why he initially began changing is not completly known, but I assume he simply got corrupted by power, after he fought himself up from being not much more than a slave and then becoming really powerful.
I always assumed that Alexander hoped for Kane to be like him, but maybe a better person, that is why he says in the intro that it could actually be a good change. Then there is the sentence about power in the hand of one persons always leads to cruelty, I assume he maybe hinted there, that the power should not fall to Kane or the winning sister alone, but instead to a team of the two or maybe even three (like in two sisters at the same time
- Tess said there is an ending with good Olvia, good Kane and Veronica being a triplet, but they all need to be on a similiar power level).About Callista, I agree with you unless at lest one of certain things are revealed to us: First, if she was actually under absolut extreme surveillance (and I mean super duper extreme, permanent complete video and audio surveillance without a chance to block it, even for minutes) and it was impossible for her to give him hints/prepare him. Second, she basically has an absolut fail proof super plan to get him out of there (which is most likely not the case, since it is possible for Kane to die in the game show, so not really fail proof). Or third, Kane actually is informed about a lot of things and only fakes he doesn't know, just like Olivia (this is unlikely since he can fail so hard in the programm
).We don't know what exactly she taught Kane, just that he had to learn a lot and from his genetics that he actually should be some kind of genius, like the rest of his family. So yeah we have to wait until more is revealed, but right now I agree with you, Callista is an absolut shitty parent from what we know so far. I hope how Kane handles her is not necessarly bound to him being good or evil, but an actual player decision.
They are not blood related, but a lot of people would consider adoptive siblings (especially when raised alongside each other and not even knowing it), as siblings too. So no genetical incest, but definetly emotional incest (the closest we get to genetic incest, is with Delilah, who is Kane's cousin, but the stance on cousins is ähh controversial
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She is not his cousin. Not by blood. Delialah is not a Dekock.
pretty sure she is. It is said somewhere that she is an intern at the Karlsson group and a DeCock.
Edit: Found a scene where it is stated she is Cynthias daughter.
or do you think Delila is adopted? If yes can you tell me why?
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We don't know when the sisters left. I doubt it would be at the same time as callista since we know for a fact that Alexander stopped her. Alexander was also banging yvette and dom's mother around that time, his descent likely happened at the time that he likely lost his son with Callista.
Because she put him in that gambit. I know that there's an apparent bomb on him, but she has accessto the worlds smartest scientist and the world's best hacker, she couldve figured out something if she didnt want him there. As for the ultimate plans, I imagine she really wants Kane and Olivia at the top to avoid the scenario you outlined. Still doesnt explain why she raised them as siblings, but thats a question for another day.
She's not, tess abhors incest. She's likely adopted from someone on the karlsson island and raised as a dekock.
About Callista, ok understand your point, but that would make her worse on the bad parent scale
.About Delilah, is there anything in the game about it? I have no problem believing you guys if Tess said it somewhere on the discord. But I think the game never gave us any hints about it so far.
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Theres a scene on the ship where Cynthia tells Stephan to not assume that he will automatically inherit the dekock fortune which would imply that he's her only kid since I doubt hes into the primogeniture lifestyle.About Callista, ok understand your point, but that would make her worse on the bad parent scale
About Delilah, is there anything in the game about it? I have no problem believing you guys if Tess said it somewhere on the discord. But I think the game never gave us any hints about it so far.
I was off a bit but still interest that she said what she said to stephen.Theres also this which would be a weird question to ask if she was Cynthia's kid
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There’s also one stating she’s not but I can’t find it lol.. but Delilah is not the daughter of Cynthia… but she doesn’t know that yet… and it’ll be up to us for her to find out the truth..Intresting, thank you guys . But there is a scene in which Kane is forced to lick Cynthias shoes, which could also be seen as a little bit incest . So who do you think Delilah is? Another secret Karlsson sister (I am joking here)? But maybe a daughter of one of Alexanders sisters? I mean if she would not be related to anybody at all, then she could have just been not a DeCock and it would be fine.
. But there is a scene in which Kane is forced to lick Cynthias shoes, which could also be seen as a little bit incest . So who do you think Delilah is? Another secret Karlsson sister (I am joking here)? But maybe a daughter of one of Alexanders sisters? I mean if she would not be related to anybody at all, then she could have just been not a DeCock and it would be fine.
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Actually, we do know why Alexander's sisters left. They adored Callista and after Casllista walked in on Alexander shagging Elena, Callista's BFF, they all became so angry over Alexander's betrayal of Callista that they left Alexander. It's not clear (to me, at least) where the sisters went nor what happened to them but some hints were dropped that
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I'm not convinced that Kane has an actual bomb inside him (there's a lot of fan debate over that); my assumption (and it's just that) is that he had a kill switch of some sort implanted inside him that, on command, would kill him by stroke, heart attack, poisoning, shock, (who knows?)... ...not necessarily an actual explosive device. Supposedly this was done to ensure Kane had to endure the gambit without any significant outside help. It's unclear who holds "the trigger" (I'd assume Veronica since she's running the gambit but, again, I'm just assuming) but apparently it's command-activated and this explains in part the desire for a hacker (disabling the shock chips in the slaves is a major reason, too).
The developer stated several times in her discord thread that Delilah is not Nadia's sister; what isn't clear to me is why Cynthia seems to treat Delilah as a 2d class citizen during family meetings and why Cynthia insists that Delilah cannot have sex with Kane (and she's too late to say that on my run through!). My guess is that it has something to do with Delilah's bloodline but it could just have something to do with Kane's place in the order of succession. Someone who understands royal families and succession could explain this better than I.
I thought that Nadia is not Cynthias daughter, but Coles. Which would explain why she cares so much about Kane, even when he is a sub, and doesn't get involved in stuff with him.
Doesn't Callista say somebody can not know that she is alive, I assumed that would be the person that holds the trigger and Veronica knows Callista lives.
I also think it is hinted that the woman with the pyramid, that Olivia meets in the flashback, is one of Alexanders sisters.
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Well, for anything about the sub stuff I'll have to take your word for it; I have no way of knowing. As others mentioned, in the discord the dev was emphatic that she abhors incest and never would include it in her work so I don't see how Delilah could be Kane's half sister; on my route, they had consensual sex while Kane was in prison. Maybe that didn't happen on the sub route; I don't know.
This is why I enjoy threads like this; I get to learn things I didn't see (because it's not on my route).
No idea who (or how many) hold(s) the "trigger"; that was just my guessing. It seemed to me like that was a means to ensure that Kane had to endure the gambit without help and since Veronica seems to be the "referee" of the gambit, so to speak, I assumed it was her. I could be completely wrong on that. You are right that Callista still is limiting to whom she reveals herself but it's unclear to me who represents a threat to her/Kane. We know it's not Elena and probably not Dominique since she knows
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