VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.31 TestB] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[PickerLewd]

Hey Sharpshooter890, KotoR 1 or KotoR 2?

 

[Sharpshooter890]

Hey Sharpshooter890, KotoR 1 or KotoR 2?

The first one, naturally. Although i love how the devs incorporated you gaining exp from killing people into the story in the second one. They are both great games.

 

[Maviarab]

Nurse Reyes is awesome

That we can all agree on!

I think he's been tortured from time to time

Nope..no suggestion of that at all. Quite the opposite in fact (as confirmed in game dialogue). Kane ws treated very well in prison (even had is own cell remember) and we know why he was treated well. Yes, he was stitched up...but they didn't want any harm coming to him.

Hey Sharpshooter890, KotoR 1 or KotoR 2?

2...always...always 2.

 

[Stan5851]

Yea, no. Like I said, if you're going to take shots at me for your shitty choices, then at least have the decency to quote me; if not, you're about as craven as Callista.

That bitch put her son in a situation that could very well get him killed and didn't even have the decency to properly prepare him for what was about to happen to him. Hell, regardless of which Kane one chooses to play as she didn't even have the decency to tell him who his father was. Imagine pretending that someone who put her son in a life-or-death game without even asking him is a good mother.
I look forward to her dumb ass getting precisely what's coming to her when Kane comes into power.

It's very sad that you still haven't learned how to use notifications (a regular forum feature) and in order to see my post in response to your post, you need me to quote your (@) nickname separately. Quoting your nickname is purely optional, it's enough that I quoted your post.

As for Callista, it's not that simple.

Neither you nor I fully know all the reasons why she had to do exactly that, without letting Kane know everything he could expect in JoyFacility. I'm sure her full motives and why she withheld certain things from Kane will be explained at the next time the son and mother meet. But for now what we do know is that she simply had no choice but to risk everything, yet that hasn't stopped you from accusing her of all the deadly sins. Callista also hid some key things from Olivia (like who her mother really is) and there was a reason for that too - the harsh conditions of the Gambit.

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I hope you also haven't forgotten that Callista is the GambitQueen, not just a mother who can do as she pleases. It's a long game of chess that can only be won by acting according to the Rules, and that's the only way Kane, Seth and Olivia have a chance to win. Thus, Callista watches over her children, but does so carefully in order to honor the terms of the Gambit and not deny them a chance to win.

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And this “harshly and fairly” is the only chance for victory in Gambit, there will be no other. Callista uses all the tools at her disposal to lead her children to victory, (provided, of course, that they show at least a minimum of responsibility and sanity, show willpower and don't grovel before sadistic bitches).

But she can't tell them everything, and she can't kick down the door to the Board and declare that Kane and Seth are in charge now...That's why Callista is forced to act with other people's hands and influence events in JoyFacility, remaining (until recently) hidden from everyone, except for “ninjas” Veronica and Alessandra(?).

You are an intelligent person and should realize that our Karlson's Gambit is a very deep game with a lot of secrets, multi-way plans and understatements, many of which we still don't know. And looking at it all through the prism of “my ‘evil’ mom didn't tell me everything and left me alone with the evil sadistic bitches” is too superficial, and you'll see that very soon. Just give Tess some time.

 

[StrawberryCheese83]

If i would rule the Karlsson Company....i would be kind to my subjects....at first....

 

[Silver_Crow117]

I will figure out how to write my posts myself, I don't need your help. And your childish grudges against Callista are ridiculous, as I've written about many times. The fact that subKane is an idiot who decided to cave in and become a lowly worm has only himself to blame. On the other hand, I emphasize the original nature of Kane, who was never inclined to be submissive and believe (not unreasonably) that Sub route is an artificial construct. There was a lot of discussion of this topic here at one time, you should remember that.

All we know from all the game history available to us is that Callista was a good mother and did her best to raise and educate Kane and Olivia (everything else is your fantasy). So she can't be bad by default. Or do you think she trained Kane from childhood to crawl on the floor and grovel before sadistic bitches? (lol). No, Kane lived in a normal atmosphere and grew up a well-educated, thinking and confident guy who loves his family and is willing to protect them, which he did by standing up for Seth. So there are more questions to Tess herself, why all of a sudden a confident and even tough guy (not tortured and starved) suddenly decided to play submissive (at the player's will), which didn't fit his nature at all.

First off, we never knew the “original nature” of Kane, that’s why in the beginning of the game, we have the option to choose what type of individual he will be: Good, Evil , Dom, Sub… I thought that was self explanatory… in my point of bias, I can say that the dom route is an artificial construct, and was never inclined to be dominant…

For all we know, Kane grew up normally yes, but when facing a situation in which was forced onto him, we don’t know how he would react, yes he has some core values of caring for his family, like most people do… except for a lot of the Karlsson sister lmaoOo but saying that he’s a “confident, tough guy” has no basis in origin.. this is why when “Us” the player are put into the body of Kane, we have the determination of how to react to the sudden situation at hand in which, we control what’s canon or not… Callista didn’t train Kane how to crawl and be pathetic (that comes naturally ) but she also didn’t tell Kane to Whip females and torture them! It’s all about how you the player wants to shape Kane during this period of his life in which will shape him to be who he is in the future…

Obviously Callista kept Kane (at least) in the dark because of past conflict with the Karlsson and she thought wrongly of keeping it a secret from Kane, in which I can see kinda why she might be ashamed with the whole situation but at the same time, she was obviously trying to hide him from the Karlsson and if she told him about the whole ordeal, Kane probably would’ve gone looking for answers in which would cause the whole situation he finds himself anyways… (it’s like one of those events that you can’t change nor escape from! Hahaha like a time traveling movie)

Clearly Kane wasn’t trained nor informed Because of the preset values of what Alexander was looking for, The Sperm/Genetic code on wanting a Male Heir of the Karlsson Group, in Which by bad judgement in my Opinion, Callista didn’t tell Kane about But decided to try and hid him from the inevitable… Callista did give some information and training of some kind to Olivia but never had given her the full truth/story of why… now don’t I like how Callista has operated? No but I can see why she did it… not every parent is perfect and clearly Callista thinks she can outsmart anyone and when you think your that intelligent, you tend to miss out on important values/aspects of life around you and of others…
Obviously I could go into Olivia and her.. ordeal but it’s kinda like Kane except they started at different points in the race but she was given the cheat code before the game even started… hahaha

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[PickerLewd]

2...always...always 2.

A friend offered to give me a KotOR game (which I've never played), Sharpshooter recommends the first and you recommend the second (you're a Sith at heart), so I demand to get both .

 

[Maviarab]

This has always been a divisive subject and I think most of us regulars know each others pov's, however, interesting if/for new people read this stuff so:

First off, we never knew the “original nature” of Kane, that’s why in the beginning of the game, we have the option to choose what type of individual he will be: Good, Evil , Dom, Sub… I thought that was self explanatory… in my point of bias, I can say that the dom route is an artificial construct, and was never inclined to be dominant…

Yes...we do really. There are flashbacks which show how Kane reacts, how he talks, how he 'is'....and sorry Silver, I love you man, but he ain't submissive by nature. That's player choice. I'll say it again, yes Tess, like myself, is a Dom...but this story is not a femdom story at heart and at it's core, it's been turned into one. It's a false fallacy. A very well done one yes...but not the default. Please don't be angry.

For all we know, Kane grew up normally yes, but when facing a situation in which was forced onto him, we don’t know how he would react,

Again, yes we do...the Seth incident is proof of that. No supposition, no opinion, no rose-tinted....plain facts presented in the story which cannot be argued with or refuted.

Clearly Kane wasn’t trained nor informed Because of the preset values of what Alexander was looking for, The Sperm/Genetic code on wanting a Male Heir of the Karlsson Group, in Which by bad judgement in my Opinion, Callista didn’t tell Kane about But decided to try and hid him from the inevitable…

Agree completely with that.

Callista did give some information and training of some kind to Olivia but never had given her the full truth/story of why…

Careful...wandering dangerously into the realms of stating facts when they are not. It still remains to be clarified....exactly what Olvia was told/knows and by whom. Once again, when discussing, be clear with facts...as presented in the story...and what are our assumptions and opinions. I still believe (until proven otherwise in the story) Olivia knows far...far more than we are aware of as the player. I still also believe she knew about all the sisters (suggest re-reading the conversation at the helicopter with Caliista) and still believe she met Alexander.

A friend offered to give me a KotOR game (which I've never played), Sharpshooter recommends the first and you recommend the second (you're a Sith at heart), so I demand to get both .

The first is a great game..however, the second is superior in writing, story, characters and gameplay.


Also, as a final thought, this is a great thread, let's keep it civil guys

 

[PickerLewd]

Well, I think like Astrid and wonder why they should play the ridiculous game of old and dead Alexander when he is no longer alive to reinforce it.

Of course we'd run out of story, so I'm glad it's the way it is .

 

[Silver_Crow117]

This has always been a divisive subject and I think most of us regulars knpow each others pov's, however, interesting if new people read this stuff so:


Yes...we do really. There are flashbacks which show how Kane reacts, how he talks, how he 'is'....and sorry Silver, I love you mabn, but he ain;t submissive by nature. That's player choice. I'll saiy it again, yes Tess, like myself, is a Dom...but this story is not a femdom story at heart and at it's core, it's been turned into one. It's a false fallacy. A very well done yes...but not the default. Please don't be angry.

Again, yes we do...the Seth incident is proof of that. No supposition, no opinion, no rose-tinted....plain facts presented in the story which cannot be argued with or refuted.

Agree completely with that.

Careful...wandering dangerously into the realms of stating facts when they are options. It still remains to be clarified....exactly what Olvia was told/knows and by whom. Once again, wehn discussing, be clear with facts...as presented in the story...and what are our assumptions and opinions. I still believe (untuil proven otherwise in the story) Olivia knows far...far more than we are aware of as the player. I still also believe she knew about all the sisters (suggest re-reading the conversation at the helicopter with Caliista) and still believe she met Alexander.

Also, as a final thought, this is a great thread, let's keep it civil guys

It doesn’t show he’s dominant either, the flashbacks just show of him talking normally, not any other point of reference shows him of being dominant nor submissive In nature… it just shows him as an average person in those specific situations at hand. Even more, the drastic situation that he finds himself in and how he’s gotten up to the point of the player taking control, brings things outta people in which they never knew they had… obviously it’s the player choice on how to react to that situation because in real life, that’s what happens… people react/handle things differently

and about Seth, it shows he’s caring of him and protective of him, that’s not a dominant. Nor a submissive mindset, that’s just a naturalistic emotion, when you’ve known for someone for so long and it’s “family…

and yes Tess is a Dom, that doesn’t negate the fact of what she’s building… her main priority of Karlsson Gambit is to have the player make the decision of what Kane’s story is and the characters around him.. that’s the core values of what Miss Tess holds of the game, it’s built from that and that’s what’s she’s told me with the references she’s got from Miss Anais and games such as Mass effect and Dragon Age (older ones lol) it didn’t start out as a dom story, nor a submissive one…

and for Olivia, she doesn’t have all the facts, was she told something and trained in something’s, possibly yes, but for right now we’re on the cusp of Hypotheticals here until more information is given to us so at that conjecture it’s pointless to argue it

 

[Nifferman]

A friend offered to give me a KotOR game (which I've never played), Sharpshooter recommends the first and you recommend the second (you're a Sith at heart), so I demand to get both .

One is better than 2. But, that doesn't mean 2 is bad. Ps just don't forget to install the fan patches and bug fixes

 

[Stan5851]

Callista is the Gambit Queen, and this is no longer our speculation, but official information. And it shouldn't be a secret to you if you've played Ep8 pt1. Tess even named the Ep8 pt1 after her.

 

[Silver_Crow117]

A friend offered to give me a KotOR game (which I've never played), Sharpshooter recommends the first and you recommend the second (you're a Sith at heart), so I demand to get both .

I wish they made games like Kotor more… wish games in general were better… tho I did here that path of exile 2 is really good if your into ARPGs

 

[motseer]

For all we know, Kane grew up normally yes, but when facing a situation in which was forced onto him, we don’t know how he would react...

I was steering clear of this conversation but, you hooked me a bit on this one statement. One of the reasons that I consider KG to be one of the two best written AVN's on this site has nothing to do with dom/sub, kink/genre. What I like most about Tess' story is that I do know how Kane will react. My Kane reacts the way I want him to and yours reacts the way you want him too; and best of all, they may be totally different people... Jus' Sayin'

 

[Silver_Crow117]

I was steering clear of this conversation but, you hooked me a bit on this one statement. One of the reasons that I consider KG to be one of the two best written AVN's on this site has nothing to do with dom/sub, kink/genre. What I like most about Tess' story is that I do know how Kane will react. My Kane reacts the way I want him to and yours reacts the way you want him too; and best of all, they may be totally different people... Jus' Sayin'

That’s where whole point of it my friend, if you wanna lick ass… lick it… if you wanna Whip those Hoes, whip em

 

[Deleted member 7715185]

there is so much going on in karlssons gambit bro i dont even know what yall are talking about

 

[PickerLewd]

Callista is the Gambit Queen, and this is no longer our speculation, but official information. And it shouldn't be a secret to you if you've played Ep8 pt1. Tess even named the Ep8 pt1 after her.
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You reminded me with that image of the idea discussed here that each mask represents a character and that they are a spoiler at the beginning of each chapter. Especially when you replay the chapters .

I wish they made games like Kotor more… wish games in general were better… tho I did here that path of exile 2 is really good if your into ARPGs

No, I'm only interested in games that end at some point and not with an eternal late game like PoE, which creates a lot of addiction.

Although I am addicted to F95 and play two new games from here per month .

 

[Silver_Crow117]

there is so much going on in karlssons gambit bro i dont even know what yall are talking about

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Kinda glad Tess gave us the option on going with Elena if we don’t want to go the Olivia route

 

[Maviarab]

there is so much going on in karlssons gambit bro i dont even know what yall are talking about

Some of us here...perhaps myself...maybe...kind of...who knows *shrugs*...are a little obsessed with this story heheh and have disected it (yeah Ok I definitely have) to the n'th degree.

 

[Stan5851]

You reminded me with that image of the idea discussed here that each mask represents a character and that they are a spoiler at the beginning of each chapter. Especially when you replay the chapters .

Yeah..You are right, we must once again thank Maviarab for the titanic and painstaking work he has done.

Alright ladies and gentlemen: Further to the conversation started here...

So we now have 8 Chapter Screens...6 new masks from the last time this was discussed (though some of those could be a replacement for some lost assets by Tess). We shall see. Some interesting theories going back over the convo when I was on my hiatus...so have been doing more research on this...much more...

So...masks per episode:

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Using my Timeline and taking all the chapter cards into consideration (and their placement):

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Let's see what we can conjure:

Ep.2: Callista, Main overarching central character essential to the plot. (also main game theme image of Tess too). Seth is iontroduced and while not a central character, he seems to be central to the overall plot. Kiyomi (not introduced yet as per Tess' commentary of one mask that partially or in whole represents someone not formally introduced in the game yet), is watching over him.

Ep.3: Placement of the masks does mostly match up with the major events of this episode.

Ep.4: Placement mostly matches....Jules & Dom still apart, Elena over Olivia with Alessa and Veronica either side. Kiyomi watching over Seth with wildcard Katsumi off to their side.

Ep.5: An interesting one. Dom & Jules meet to discuss the threat of Olivia (Masks together)...Red Tips meets with the Gambit Queen, Elena inbetween Olivia and Kane (they both meet Elena privately this episode). Kiyomi again watching over Seth. Jester mask in the eye of the Red Queen though...hmm...just don't see the connection...

Ep.6: Three new masks. We also have the introduction of the DeKcoks, Cole himself and Astrid Karlsson...Olivia central in the Chapter Card with relevent characters around her. Most of this fits or can be made to fit chapter events. Mostly.

Ep.7: Two new masks this time, the three new from Ep.6 also return. 16 masks on this Chapter card. For the first time, Veronica and Alessa are split, Kane and Olivia either side of Veronica. Jules & Dom are next to Olivia and Alessa splits Seth/Kiyomi for their fist time being split also (makes sense). Elena is once again between Olivia and Callista with a new mask now between Kane and Callista (Cynthia perhaps) and a new mask below and off to the right of Veronica near Olivia. Could this be Astrid's mask???

Which leaves us here:

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Now:

For Ep.2:

If Seth is the 'not formally introduced Character'...then Orange shadows can't be Kiyomi....

If Red Queen is the not formally introuduced character...that still throws doubt on Orange Shadow...

Or...if Kiyomi is the not formally introduced character...is Red Queen just there as 1. Main game image and/or 2. Callista being the over-arching central main character of the story? (Seth is introduced in Ep.2)

Other thoughts:

• Katsumi as Jester/Joker often fits...but Ep.5 Chapter card makes zero sense....or does it?
• New mask for Ep.7 between Kane and Callista....phantom & Feathers mask off to the left of this new mask..between Kane and Callista with butterfly from Ep.6 far to the left instead of near Olivia
• Ep.6: New faces, Cole, DeKock family members & Otto
• Ep.7: New faces are Pod W2 and Astrid & Cole confirmed Kanes father

Both Nadia & Cole could fit a few of these....

• Feathers: Symbolizes trust, honor, strength, wisdom, power, and freedom. It is an object that is deeply revered and a sign of high honor
• Butterfly: In some cultures, butterflies symbolise rebirth.
• Phantom Mask: Symbolizes his vulnerability and the injustice he suffers from (from Phantom Opera)
• Bird Mask: A symbol of death and disease… However, they were misunderstood; they were harbingers of new beginnings

Sooo....thoughts on Cole, Cynthia...Otto maybe? Is Delilah going to be a significant enough character to warrant a mask? Coming back around to Ep.5 Chapter card...possible Katsumi mask behind/in the eyes of Callista, the game show is referenced first in Chapter 5 here:

p "Nice to meet you Hyori, and good luck with your application."
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    hyori "Thank you! I'm applying to help out with entertainment planning for a game show here, so I'm really hoping I can get the job!"
    p "(Game show?) Good luck to you."

Now, as Tess stated: 3) A mask (or more than one mask on screen) is not always an exact 1 to 1 representation of a character (mostly it makes sense it would be though), perhaps it could represent something broader than one specific character.. could this perhaps be a reference to something broader, something largely out of Callista's hands and something she would not originally have known about...like the game show..??