VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.31 TestB] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

Pretty much everyone in this game is evil.
Even Veronica since she made a chip designed to torture people at will for control and gave them out to be deployed so that she has a check against everyone else if she decides to turn them off. And she made the "pain on contact" fluid and gave it out.

I don't think taking the approach of "I don't like this character because they're evil" is a good way to go about things in this game. If you do you're left with what, Astrid, Zach, Jake, the k-ranked women, Mia, Raven, and Claudia based on player choice?

Dystopian world settings tend to have shady morality as a general rule.

 

[Meiri]

Im surprised people are mad at Alessandra and Jules for their transgressions yet ignore the fact that Dom is still torturing a woman for shit her husband did while lying to her husband about his family being safe

Juliette did nothing wrong, she is just keeping the lions fed.

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

Juliette did nothing wrong, she is just keeping the lions fed.

She really is the best.

 

[Stan5851]

Or do you just mean alive vs dead when you say "fate" since this was posted after people were talking about punishing the sisters?

That's right, that's exactly what I mean.

 

[harsha_26]

Im surprised people are mad at Alessandra and Jules for their transgressions yet ignore the fact that Dom is still torturing a woman for shit her husband did while lying to her husband about his family being safe

Well, Let's hope revolution will takeover karlssons and Kwawe can punish DomKane then lol..

 

[Meiri]

Well, Let's hope revolution will takeover karlssons and Kwawe can punish DomKane then lol..

I don't think the revolution can succeed without Kane's help, so there's no reason to punish him. Or, if you meant Evil Dominique, then sure punish her.

 

[Stan5851]

Sorry man, for me Alesandra behavior with slave old man for thirst and How Veronica and Alesandra behaved with diana is more hatred for me compare to jules. Jules just torchurs physically more but Alesandra plays with people's emotion weakness for survivial too. So, how she behaved with Diana is also consideration for me to have hate on her compare to Jules. But yes, this is all something Kane doesn't seen. But that doesn't mean people like Alesandra should be escape freely. Same with Elena too.

It would be foolish to claim that there are saints in this game. Yes, almost everyone is (with rare exceptions), in one way or another, stained with the blood, torment, and suffering of innocent people and mired in sin. Therefore, if we are talking about "universal justice", then it is only right to judge everyone according to their deeds, without making any exceptions.

I don't think Tess just wrote that almost all the characters in the game can die, not even excluding Kane and Olivia (except for Astrid, Veronica, and Delilah). So everyone here will get what they deserve, if the player decides so and certain circumstances arise. I don't know how this will be implemented, but I suppose you will have a chance to get even with those who, in your opinion, deserve neither redemption, forgiveness, nor enslavement.

 

[minibaer12]

It would be foolish to claim that there are saints in this game. Yes, almost everyone is (with rare exceptions), in one way or another, stained with the blood, torment, and suffering of innocent people and mired in sin. Therefore, if we are talking about "universal justice", then it is only right to judge everyone according to their deeds, without making any exceptions.

I don't think Tess just wrote that almost all the characters in the game can die, not even excluding Kane and Olivia (except for Astrid, Veronica, and Delilah). So everyone here will get what they deserve, if the player decides so and certain circumstances arise. I don't know how this will be implemented, but I suppose you will have a chance to get even with those who, in your opinion, deserve neither redemption, forgiveness, nor enslavement.

Well, I take the view that EVERYONE, and I mean EVERYONE, who plays this VN accepts the prevailing world order! There are no bad or evil people per se, only strong (mostly female) and weak (mostly male).

The good thing about the Dom path is that you have a certain amount of choice. I don't hate or judge a single girl in this VN, but I do have the option to ignore them to a certain extent. This includes optional interactions. My main path is very narrow.

 

[Stan5851]

Well, I take the view that EVERYONE, and I mean EVERYONE, who plays this VN accepts the prevailing world order! There are no bad or evil people per se, only strong (mostly female) and weak (mostly male).

The good thing about the Dom path is that you have a certain amount of choice. I don't hate or judge a single girl in this VN, but I do have the option to ignore them to a certain extent. This includes optional interactions. My main path is very narrow.

Yes, we have a choice, but that doesn't stop me from likiing or disliking a particular character. I wouldn't call it fierce hatred, because I understand perfectly well that this utopian world is corrupt by its very nature.

And it would be foolish to demand that these weak (yes, yes, weak, not strong, they are incapable of resisting the oppressed masses without Veronica's chips, and this is a sign of weakness, not strength) females, who had been brainwashed for years at the Karlsson Academy, suddenly became virtuous and fair.

In fact, only Veronica (except for Astrid) was able to avoid this, as she was lucky enough not to attend this Academy and study separately. However, her personality was also damaged, albeit not as fatally as some of her sisters, such as Jules.

I believe it is normal that the characters and their actions in any VN, including our KG, can and should evoke certain emotions and feelings in the player, otherwise the dev has done a useless job. Fortunately, in KG, all the characters do this perfectly. My playthrough covers all available paths within the Dom route (10 Dom saves), although I like some paths more than others.

 

[Stan5851]

Im surprised people are mad at Alessandra and Jules for their transgressions yet ignore the fact that Dom is still torturing a woman for shit her husband did while lying to her husband about his family being safe

Unlike the hundreds of people killed by Juliette, Amara is alive and well and does not appear hungry or sick. Moreover, in one of the future endings, she will even be able to free herself from her chains. As they say, feel the difference.

 

[Maviarab]

Amara is alive and well

I wouldn't quite go that far Stan lol....

 

[Stan5851]

I wouldn't quite go that far Stan lol....

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[harsha_26]

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Why are we even playing? Our choices are insignificant for canon ending anyway.

 

[harsha_26]

It would be foolish to claim that there are saints in this game. Yes, almost everyone is (with rare exceptions), in one way or another, stained with the blood, torment, and suffering of innocent people and mired in sin. Therefore, if we are talking about "universal justice", then it is only right to judge everyone according to their deeds, without making any exceptions.

I don't think Tess just wrote that almost all the characters in the game can die, not even excluding Kane and Olivia (except for Astrid, Veronica, and Delilah). So everyone here will get what they deserve, if the player decides so and certain circumstances arise. I don't know how this will be implemented, but I suppose you will have a chance to get even with those who, in your opinion, deserve neither redemption, forgiveness, nor enslavement.

Not everyone.. Delilah is one of the best student in torment studies. But she will live no matter what.. Veronica conducted human trails on slaves without their consent and deaf the slave's ears so that they won't listen the elite conversations. But, she will be never harmed.

Only Astrid and Somewhat Yvutte (yes she behaved harshly with subKane on board meeting but still, she may have reasons to act in that way to hide her revolution plans and she is not that cruel with kane compare to another milf like Elena, who is one of the best friend of callista), is eligible to escape from judgement.

 

[Stan5851]

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Why are we even playing? Our choices are insignificant for canon ending anyway.

What surprises you about the fact that the mother and daughters stay together no matter what? Especially considering the fact that they really do have a lot of common interests. (Well, mb except for the revolution, which remains unclear, but the fact that V knows about it tells me that they will resolve this issue within the close family circle one way or another).

BTW, things are not so simple with Yvette, and if you look, for example, at the Dom section of the faction sheet, Yvette does not appear in any of the factions as an active member or leader...So who knows what fate awaits her...

Be that as it may, each side (Dom and Sub) will have its own canon ending (according to the dev), and I don't understand why you are so concerned about an ending that is “canon” only for future TQA events. It's a different game, and in the context of the history of KG world, it doesn't concern us at all.

 

[harsha_26]

What surprises you about the fact that the mother and daughters stay together no matter what? Especially considering the fact that they really do have a lot of common interests. (Well, mb except for the revolution, which remains unclear, but the fact that V knows about it tells me that they will resolve this issue within the close family circle one way or another).

BTW, things are not so simple with Yvette, and if you look, for example, at the Dom section of the faction sheet, Yvette does not appear in any of the factions as an active member or leader...So who knows what fate awaits her...

Be that as it may, each side (Dom and Sub) will have its own canon ending (according to the dev), and I don't understand why you are so concerned about an ending that is “canon” only for future TQA events. It's a different game, and in the context of the history of KG world, it doesn't concern us at all.

Because no matter what, that canon survival ending of V, A, D will be there in almost every ending as said by tess.

check inbox please.

 

[Stan5851]

Because no matter what, that canon survival ending of V, A, D will be there in almost every ending as said by tess.

This is a global world state. And yes, this state does not depend on other states of the world, which is quite logical.

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[Stan5851]

Veronica conducted human trails on slaves without their consent

Are you seriously suggesting asking slaves for their consent? Stop joking around, mate.)

and deaf the slave's ears so that they won't listen the elite conversations.

Veronica didn't do that. -> #14,705

Only Astrid and Somewhat Yvutte (yes she behaved harshly with subKane on board meeting but still, she may have reasons to act in that way to hide her revolution plans and she is not that cruel with kane compare to another milf like Elena, who is one of the best friend of callista), is eligible to escape from judgement.

I think the problem is that you took the sub route too much to heart (which is understandable) and now you legitimately want all the bitches to get their just deserts... But if you knew you would react this way to all this femdom slavery crap, maybe you shouldn't have started playing this route in the first place?

Personally, I tried playing the sub route several times, but each time I was overwhelmed by a fierce hatred for what was happening and I couldn't cope with it...Perhaps that's why I'm now more calm about all these sadistic bitches and their fates...My DomKane will resolve this issue, but without unnecessary emotions. And each one will get what she deserves or maybe I'll give someone a chance to redeem themselves.

 

[harsha_26]

Are you seriously suggesting asking slaves for their consent? Stop joking around, mate.)

Veronica didn't do that. -> #14,705

I think the problem is that you took the sub route too much to heart (which is understandable) and now you legitimately want all the bitches to get their just deserts... But if you knew you would react this way to all this femdom slavery crap, maybe you shouldn't have started playing this route in the first place?

Personally, I tried playing the sub route several times, but each time I was overwhelmed by a fierce hatred for what was happening and I couldn't cope with it...Perhaps that's why I'm now more calm about all these sadistic bitches and their fates...My DomKane will resolve this issue, but without unnecessary emotions. And each one will get what she deserves or maybe I'll give someone a chance to redeem themselves.

If veronica doesn't do the deaf ears, why she said like that to elena? Actually what tess said is too hard to understand to my weak english understanding. Can you explain in layman language?

And if she didn't done the deaf ears, What do you expect for veronica for her remaining actions? You mean she haven't done anything that will be prosecuted in eyes of justice? (if there is something like that down the line of story). And you think tess will give that justice choices to us for veronica? No.

 

[harsha_26]

This is a global world state. And yes, this state does not depend on other states of the world, which is quite logical.

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You are just explaining the faction sheet which I'm already familiar with. I'm just expressing my dissatisfaction in a player's perspective that the MC is not at all influential to decide the fate of some characters like V or D even though they played active role in maintaining the world order of slavery and torture.