VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.31 TestB] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[absalon1977]

i am actually doing a replay right now on good dom there is to many things i can´t remember and i was not satisfied with my old playthrough.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

I don't know how that's supposed to work. Juliette on a good path is just as absurd as Veronica on an evil path; neither will work.

Veronica's neutral, she could work on either path. But yea, Juliette on a good path would be a waste of everybody's time.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

So that means MC's rank does not change in s2 in dom path. What is even happening in s2?

You get promoted once, but most of s2 is devoted to the gameshow. From what tess has told us, next chapter is the real executive chapter.

 

[Laxus007]

You get promoted once, but most of s2 is devoted to the gameshow. From what tess has told us, next chapter is the real executive chapter.

Do we have any info on when the next chapter will come out?

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

Do we have any info on when the next chapter will come out?

According to her estimate in 2 updates, so about 2 years

 

[f96zonetrooper]

What is the highest K level MC can reach in s1 and s2?

At the end of E6 Kane can get K9.

So that means MC's rank does not change in s2 in dom path. What is even happening in s2?

So far each Episode in the game covers one day.
All of Season 2 so far is part of E8 which turns out to be a very long (game show) day which is not finished yet.
It is likely that at the end of E8 the current s/dgame points are evaluated and Kane can get further promoted or demoted.
(ETA end of 2026 or early 2027 ???)

 

[harsha_26]

As a completionist, I first started those paths that i'm not into it. The Sub paths (particularly the dangerous K1 path), just to know the story in depth (that's the first reason i'm here anyway) and to know the characters in detail. It felt like a very exiting, tension, survival thriller (although i skipped all the sex/kink scenes as im not into that stuff), just to move forward the story. I have issues with that path especially with MC's parents, but other than that, mostly it has been felt worthy if you watch it with just story oriented eyes. Veronica (i mean stacy) impressed me very well in that path and proven she is one of the good in all those devils.

Today I freshly started playing Dom Paths, particularly good domination with fresh mind, saving my canon Evil Dom for the last..

And I felt sleepy. That's it. Game show stuff is too much to stay active and not get sleepy.

 

[f96zonetrooper]

Sorry, it's a scene between Kiyomi and Junko. Not related to revolutionunlock and only related to veronica-nurse flag.
If bigflagsubone or bigflagdomone, then rangers=true

It's a short scene where Kiyomi asks Junko to steer Kane to a separate room after the game show for talks or maybe more.

 

[Masterofdisaste]

As a completionist, I first started those paths that i'm not into it. The Sub paths (particularly the dangerous K1 path), just to know the story in depth (that's the first reason i'm here anyway) and to know the characters in detail. It felt like a very exiting, tension, survival thriller (although i skipped all the sex/kink scenes as im not into that stuff), just to move forward the story. I have issues with that path especially with MC's parents, but other than that, mostly it has been felt worthy if you watch it with just story oriented eyes. Veronica (i mean stacy) impressed me very well in that path and proven she is one of the good in all those devils.

Today I freshly started playing Dom Paths, particularly good domination with fresh mind, saving my canon Evil Dom for the last..

And I felt sleepy. That's it. Game show stuff is too much to stay active and not get sleepy.

What makes you think Veronica is kind of good? Is there a special interaction with K1 Kane? Because with K4 she basically just offers him to maybe become her personal slave in the future and grants him sponsorship but she still does not really anything to help him directly (And yes I understand that the sub path is locked in here, but she could at least try to make sure he isn't killed if she cares so much about him - I mean we now that they do enhacning drugs and stuff, she could just give him some stuff that makes him more durable or at least try to warn him about some upcoming games).
I am still conviced that Veronica is morally wise the worst of all the sisters, simply because it feels like she is the most responsible for building the system and keeping it afloat. My biggest problem with her is that she told her father that she could immedialty end the system (by deactivating the chips) anytime but she keeps it up. Maybe it's just indifference to human life at all, except for Astrid and maybe her mother. She hides her cruelty very well most of the time, but as soon as Ian had problems with experiments on humans she sends him to be slaughtered in a sick game.
I understand that we don't see most of this on screen but it is heavly implied or we are told about this.

 

[Masterofdisaste]

its about the same on the good side you can't get Juliette without losing dom and on evil you cant get veronica without losing Juliette.

Question for sub players:

1. How does sub evil work? You're not really in enough control of anything for it to matter how evil you are. At least thats how it seems on the outside looking in.
2. Do you learn more about jake and zach on the sub path?

Ahh you don't really learn that much about them. Most of the time it is just Kane and some of the others getting tortured together. For Zach you get the info that he was tricked into prison by the school girls (even though not sure if they also reval that on dom path) and for Jake mostly that he has a small dick. They don't really interact with each other after the first few chapters until the game show starts and even then they are split up most of the time after the beginning.

For the evil thing I am not sure, you can always give Zach "tough love" instead of positivly encouraging him. But maybe there is something more if you let Juliette become your sponsor as a sub ... But I don't think I could stomach more content of her so I never do this.

 

[harsha_26]

What makes you think Veronica is kind of good? Is there a special interaction with K1 Kane? Because with K4 she basically just offers him to maybe become her personal slave in the future and grants him sponsorship but she still does not really anything to help him directly (And yes I understand that the sub path is locked in here, but she could at least try to make sure he isn't killed if she cares so much about him - I mean we now that they do enhacning drugs and stuff, she could just give him some stuff that makes him more durable or at least try to warn him about some upcoming games).
I am still conviced that Veronica is morally wise the worst of all the sisters, simply because it feels like she is the most responsible for building the system and keeping it afloat. My biggest problem with her is that she told her father that she could immedialty end the system (by deactivating the chips) anytime but she keeps it up. Maybe it's just indifference to human life at all, except for Astrid and maybe her mother. She hides her cruelty very well most of the time, but as soon as Ian had problems with experiments on humans she sends him to be slaughtered in a sick game.
I understand that we don't see most of this on screen but it is heavly implied or we are told about this.

No matter what, nobody's coming to help kane except himself. He need to bag 3 votes out of 5 to face death. And she said she won't vote against him (if you save nurse), revealed most of her plans and provided sponsorship. What more you want? Yes, she said to call her mistress and have submissive sex because, we are playing as a submissive. That means, kane is into it, kane is wired that way. So, he is willing to call her.

I said veronica is one of the goods in those devils. That means, she is also devil but better than her sisters. That explains your question with liam.

My issue is again with dom paths. Sure, I can't play as evil dom with veronica and make her as slave or something, but, whats wrong if playing as a good dom and having a closed bedroom relationship where kane is more dominant and she call him as master in a loving way? Is it so much to ask or even expect? Something like secret sub for veronica herself?

 

[minibaer12]

What makes you think Veronica is kind of good? Is there a special interaction with K1 Kane? Because with K4 she basically just offers him to maybe become her personal slave in the future and grants him sponsorship but she still does not really anything to help him directly (And yes I understand that the sub path is locked in here, but she could at least try to make sure he isn't killed if she cares so much about him - I mean we now that they do enhacning drugs and stuff, she could just give him some stuff that makes him more durable or at least try to warn him about some upcoming games).
I am still conviced that Veronica is morally wise the worst of all the sisters, simply because it feels like she is the most responsible for building the system and keeping it afloat. My biggest problem with her is that she told her father that she could immedialty end the system (by deactivating the chips) anytime but she keeps it up. Maybe it's just indifference to human life at all, except for Astrid and maybe her mother. She hides her cruelty very well most of the time, but as soon as Ian had problems with experiments on humans she sends him to be slaughtered in a sick game.
I understand that we don't see most of this on screen but it is heavly implied or we are told about this.

For me, Veronica's behavior is understandable, on both major paths. Her problem is that she has a discrepancy between her IQ (cognitive intelligence) and EQ (emotional intelligence/social competence). While her IQ has increased significantly over the course of her life, her EQ has correspondingly deteriorated. One also mustn't ignore the environment in which she grew up. It's not for nothing that she's called the Ice Queen.

 

[harsha_26]

For me, Veronika's behavior is understandable, on both major paths. Her problem is that she has a discrepancy between her IQ (cognitive intelligence) and EQ (emotional intelligence/social competence). While her IQ has increased significantly over the course of her life, her EQ has correspondingly deteriorated. One also mustn't ignore the environment in which she grew up. It's not for nothing that she's called the Ice Queen.

EQ.. IQ.. I didn't understand anything, but felt good..

 

[minibaer12]

EQ.. IQ.. I didn't understand anything, but felt good..

Ki answers for you:

High IQ and Social Competence

- Understanding Complex Dynamics: A high IQ often allows for faster analysis and understanding of social situations, human emotions, and complex relationships. One recognizes patterns in the behavior of others.
- Effective Communication: More intelligent people can often express their thoughts and ideas more clearly and in a structured way, which is a core competency in social interaction.
- Empathy: High cognitive abilities help to understand the perspectives of others (cognitive empathy), even if one doesn't directly share their feelings.
- Adaptability: The ability to learn quickly and adapt to new environments is crucial for both high IQ and social competence.

Why the Stereotype of the "Socially Inept Genius" Exists The image of the brilliant but isolated scientist is more of a movie cliché than reality. When it does occur, it's often because the person:

- Has conflicts of interest: They are so focused on their field of expertise that they view social interactions as a waste of time.
- Prioritizes different things: The desire for deep, intellectual conversations is greater than the desire for small talk.
- Hasn't developed emotional intelligence (EQ): IQ (cognitive intelligence) and EQ (emotional intelligence/social competence) are different types of intelligence, both of which need to be developed and nurtured.

In summary: A person with a high IQ can be very socially competent if they consciously develop and utilize these skills.

 

[Masterofdisaste]

No matter what, nobody's coming to help kane except himself. He need to bag 3 votes out of 5 to face death. And she said she won't vote against him (if you save nurse), revealed most of her plans and provided sponsorship. What more you want? Yes, she said to call her mistress and have submissive sex because, we are playing as a submissive. That means, kane is into it, kane is wired that way. So, he is willing to call her.

I said veronica is one of the goods in those devils. That means, she is also devil but better than her sisters. That explains your question with liam.

My issue is again with dom paths. Sure, I can't play as evil dom with veronica and make her as slave or something, but, whats wrong if playing as a good dom and having a closed bedroom relationship where kane is more dominant and she call him as master in a loving way? Is it so much to ask or even expect? Something like secret sub for veronica herself?

Yeah no don't get me wrong I have no problem with the femdom scene at all. This is actually a very soft dom scene. I just don't think that after telling him he basically changed her life twice that not fucking him over is not really that much, it would basically cost her nothing to give him more informations about some of the later games (we even got more information about those from Sonya), but she still let's him deal with that on his own. Especially if we are directly after that introduced to Ian, who was sent into the game show by her (I assume it was her, because he was working for her). He rebelled against her (for moral reasons but ok), but instead of just killing him off quickly (which would be the smart decision from her standpoint, considering how dangerous his knowledge is) she sents him to suffer before his basically guaranteed death.

And for the sponsorship I mean Juliette and Dominique, and Olivia in form of Elena, offer those basically for free (for loyalty from Kane but I mean he's a slave so it's not like he has really a choice), maybe even Allesandra if you are willing to be her spy, not sure about that. So I don't really see how that makes her better than her sisters, especially because she acutally knows how to win the gambit instead of the others.

But again, I was just curious what made you think of her more positivly, it wasn't meant as an attack on your views.

 

[harsha_26]

Ki answers for you:

High IQ and Social Competence

- Understanding Complex Dynamics: A high IQ often allows for faster analysis and understanding of social situations, human emotions, and complex relationships. One recognizes patterns in the behavior of others.
- Effective Communication: More intelligent people can often express their thoughts and ideas more clearly and in a structured way, which is a core competency in social interaction.
- Empathy: High cognitive abilities help to understand the perspectives of others (cognitive empathy), even if one doesn't directly share their feelings.
- Adaptability: The ability to learn quickly and adapt to new environments is crucial for both high IQ and social competence.

Why the Stereotype of the "Socially Inept Genius" Exists The image of the brilliant but isolated scientist is more of a movie cliché than reality. When it does occur, it's often because the person:

- Has conflicts of interest: They are so focused on their field of expertise that they view social interactions as a waste of time.
- Prioritizes different things: The desire for deep, intellectual conversations is greater than the desire for small talk.
- Hasn't developed emotional intelligence (EQ): IQ (cognitive intelligence) and EQ (emotional intelligence/social competence) are different types of intelligence, both of which need to be developed and nurtured.

In summary: A person with a high IQ can be very socially competent if they consciously develop and utilize these skills.

You think stacy in her can move her into complete optimism? She realized importance of compassion through friend/lover in her life (MC), she realized importance of a co-worker (nurse) to see her as a confidant. I'm sure Liam job suspension happened way before we save nurse. She is changing slowly. But it is still a long way ahead.

 

[harsha_26]

Yeah no don't get me wrong I have no problem with the femdom scene at all. This is actually a very soft dom scene. I just don't think that after telling him he basically changed her life twice that not fucking him over is not really that much, it would basically cost her nothing to give him more informations about some of the later games (we even got more information about those from Sonya), but she still let's him deal with that on his own. Especially if we are directly after that introduced to Ian, who was sent into the game show by her (I assume it was her, because he was working for her). He rebelled against her (for moral reasons but ok), but instead of just killing him off quickly (which would be the smart decision from her standpoint, considering how dangerous his knowledge is) she sents him to suffer before his basically guaranteed death.

And for the sponsorship I mean Juliette and Dominique, and Olivia in form of Elena, offer those basically for free (for loyalty from Kane but I mean he's a slave so it's not like he has really a choice), maybe even Allesandra if you are willing to be her spy, not sure about that. So I don't really see how that makes her better than her sisters, especially because she acutally knows how to win the gambit instead of the others.

But again, I was just curious what made you think of her more positivly, it wasn't meant as an attack on your views.

I'm going to be honest, and I might be looking at all this in a narrow mind. That is her childhood connection with MC. I haven't seen this for other sisters. MC don't have a bond with other sisters like veronica before entering the Karlsson City. Yeah, he got Olivia. But, tell me, except that old temple scene (which is not at all that impressive), did you go through anything really emotional in flashback for olivia-MC in comparison with MC-Stacy scene?

 

[Masterofdisaste]

I'm going to be honest, and I might be looking at all this in a narrow mind. That is her childhood connection with MC. I haven't seen this for other sisters. MC don't have a bond with them before entering the Karlsson City. Yeah, he got Olivia. But, tell me, except that old temple scene (which is not at all that impressive), did you go through anything really emotional in flashback for olivia-MC in comparison with MC-Stacy scene?

I get what you mean, at least we are told a lot of time how close Olivia and Kane were before. It's a tell don't show problem. But I also have my problems with the Kane/Olivia relationship. Even a a good Olivia treats Kane much to worse on sub path if you acutally consider them as loving siblings. I mean every normal person would just rage out the moment they see their siblings treated like they are, and even more if they forced to do it themselves.

My problem with Veronica is as I said before that she feels the most responsible for everything going on. And a small act of human decency to the person that changed her whole perspective on life doesn't even feel like a babystep of redemption for me.