VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.31 TestB] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[HiHaHo]

*So far, I haven't seen a single direct quote from her confirming what you've fantasized about the future of the Dom route. Yes, I am also not very optimistic about the severity of the Dom route in the future, but I do not want to discuss this topic again without any confirmation from the dev. Your fantasies and even suggestions are not such confirmation.*

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So, as i said, Rougher Treatment in the form of domKane is mostly for sex scenes. Not much rough for non-sexual kinks like abuse, violence etc, which you commonly seen in femdom paths where women kicking balls, using subKane & his friends as punch bags to practice some kicks (Olivia defence training).

so basicly she's been cutting & avoiding dom content in fear off the council of karen's

 

[harsha_26]

Actually, the reason why she's considering readding the kiyomi stuff is because her husband and Anais want it back

Yeah i may have wrongly understood.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

She's cutting stuff because the game has gotten too big and way too heavy too handle, esp if she going to handle the writing in the Anais game. Karen's and psycho patron's members is just a convenient excuse for her to cut off from the maledom ( the side she doesnt prefer).

 

[Stan5851]

*So far, I haven't seen a single direct quote from her confirming what you've fantasized about the future of the Dom route. Yes, I am also not very optimistic about the severity of the Dom route in the future, but I do not want to discuss this topic again without any confirmation from the dev. Your fantasies and even suggestions are not such confirmation.*

Spoiler: Fan Conversation with Tess

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So, as i said, Rougher Treatment in the form of domKane is mostly for sex scenes. Not much rough for non-sexual kinks like abuse, violence etc, which you commonly seen in femdom paths where women kicking balls, using them as punch bags to practice some kicks (Olivia defence training).

Well, Tess didn't reveal anything new here; we always knew that no one gives a shit about men in games and you can do whatever you want with them. However, you still haven't provided a single quote where Tess wrote that the entire route (Jules) was allegedly canceled due to Patreon claims...

As for the punching bag, her answer is also understandable... A dominant man and beating a woman (in a non-sexual context) are really different things...Personally, I didn't plan to beat even Jules when Tess (in the form of a game alter ego) announced the possibility of... well, if not slavery, then... let's call it Jules conquest...Humiliating Jules — yes, enslaving her — yes, whipping her until there are serious marks on her skin — yes, but beating a woman with your fists, even one like her, is not an act worthy of a confident man. There are many other ways to tame bitches like that. (imo)

 

[harsha_26]

Well, Tess didn't reveal anything new here; we always knew that no one gives a shit about men in games and you can do whatever you want with them. However, you still haven't provided a single quote where Tess wrote that the entire route (Jules) was allegedly canceled due to Patreon claims...

As for the punching bag, her answer is also understandable... A dominant man and beating a woman (in a non-sexual context, when she wants it herself) are really different things...Personally, I didn't plan to beat even Jules when Tess (in the form of a game alter ego) announced the possibility of... well, if not slavery, then... let's call it Jules conquest...Humiliating Jules — yes, enslaving her — yes, whipping her until there are serious marks on her skin — yes, but beating a woman with your fists, even one like her, is not an act worthy of a confident man. There are many other ways to tame bitches like that.

Sorry, she doesnt provided anything about reasons of cancellation of jules path while i'm there. About Confidence Man, Well, Revenge and angry makes a man do extreme things. So, asked that just a possibility, it does not mean that i want to see it in the game. I just wondered, if women in femdom paths can do whatever they want, why cant men. Yes, Men can do that and yes there are games like that too, But.. not in tess game. Abuse of that level is only purely one sided.

 

[harsha_26]

She's cutting stuff because the game has gotten too big and way too heavy too handle, esp if she going to handle the writing in the Anais game. Karen's and psycho patron's members is just a convenient excuse for her to cut off from the maledom ( the side she doesnt prefer).

Well this is also possible. I never thought of this way lol.

 

[Stan5851]

Sorry, she doesnt provided anything about reasons of cancellation of jules path while i'm there. About Confidence Man, Well, Revenge and angry makes a man do extreme things. So, asked that just a possibility, it does not mean that i want to see it in the game. I just wondered, if women in femdom paths can do whatever they want, why cant men. Yes, Men can do that and yes there are games like that too, But.. not in tess game. Abuse of that level is only purely one sided.

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[Stan5851]

She's cutting stuff because the game has gotten too big and way too heavy too handle, esp if she going to handle the writing in the Anais game. Karen's and psycho patron's members is just a convenient excuse for her to cut off from the maledom ( the side she doesnt prefer).

Yes, that's also possible. BTW, what does Karen have to do with this? I know about Klara and Karin (Alexander's sisters)..But who is Karen?

 

[harsha_26]

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Well, It can be both reasons at the same time. Both those "dom patreons" and also patreon rules. Yeah, I too think she loved making demon content for dom. She may have definitely harsher plans for evil dom. But, those "patrons" had forced her to go even more cruel on women than she thinks of it. She may not had expected that some men will be like that. So, she got mentally suffered and thought of cancelling Demon Stuff because it is making her feel headache and is also not viable according to patreon. She said that she actively in contact with patreon support staff and always be honest with them about content.

I'm sure those guys have asked something more cruel than punching bags lol. Now, tess became even more careful of dom route and given those comments I shared in screenshots.

But, yeah, she should have acted fairly and not banned members like you. That I agree.

 

[harsha_26]

Yes, that's also possible. BTW, what does Karen have to do with this? I know about Klara and Karin (Alexander's sisters)..But who is Karen?

I think he mean collective shout.

 

[Stan5851]

harsha_26
Regarding Kane's indirect actions in the future (which you suggested to Tess if I understand correctly) - for obvious reasons, I am strongly opposed to this. However, for example, we have a Dom scene with Kane, Dominique and Amara..So if a similar joint format, where both dominants (male and female) participate in the punishment of female slaves, is maintained in the future, it may be a better substitute for the indirect participation you offered her. After all, we are not following the cuckold-Dominant path here (lol), but a path where Kane's direct participation in scenes is not even discussed.

No, I understand why you suggested it..And I also share your desire for more Dom hardcore content in relation to women, but not at the cost of D.Kane sitting on the bench and just giving orders without participating in any way.

 

[harsha_26]

harsha_26
Regarding Kane's indirect actions in the future (which you suggested to Tess if I understand correctly) - for obvious reasons, I am strongly opposed to this. However, for example, we have a Dom scene with Kane, Dominique and Amara..So if a similar joint format, where both dominants (male and female) participate in the punishment of female slaves, is maintained in the future, it may be a better substitute for the indirect participation you offered her. After all, we are not following the cuckold-Dominant path here (lol), but a path where Kane's direct participation in scenes is not even discussed.

No, I understand why you suggested it..And I also share your desire for more Dom hardcore content in relation to women, but not at the cost of D.Kane sitting on the bench and just giving orders without participating in any way.

I'm not suggested her. Infact i hate indirect action. I want Kane to act like a a true dom in future. Like planning, executing everything instead of taking others guidance or suggestions all along the game. Tess said that in sex scenes (like with amara, it is also type of lewd scenes because kane gets blowjob), sure domKane will participate actively in a more rougher way by the consent of that girl (amara given consent) and help from a other girl (domi). We already seen this in game, not a new information.

But when it comes to non sexual punishments, like kicking, beating, torture etc. those will be handled between woman to woman unless it some bdsm sex kinks like whipping, spanking etc which we see in other patreon games too. And yes, tess confirmed Dominique (evil) will get whipping in future by domKane. But she also said that, that's the line she draw for direct kane action.

 

[Stan5851]

I'm not suggested her. Infact i hate indirect action. I want Kane to act like a a true dom in future. Like planning, executing everything instead of taking others guidance or suggestions all along the game. Tess said that in sex scenes (like with amara, it is also type of lewd scenes because kane gets blowjob), sure domKane will participate actively in a more rougher way by the consent of that girl (amara given consent) and help from a other girl (domi). We already seen this in game, not a new information.

But when it comes to non sexual punishments, like kicking, beating, torture etc. those will be handled between woman to woman unless it some bdsm sex kinks like whipping, spanking etc which we see in other patreon games too. And yes, tess confirmed Dominique (evil) will get whipping in future by domKane. But she also said that, that's the line she draw for direct kane action.

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[Sharpshooter890]

She's cutting stuff because the game has gotten too big and way too heavy too handle, esp if she going to handle the writing in the Anais game. Karen's and psycho patron's members is just a convenient excuse for her to cut off from the maledom ( the side she doesnt prefer).

I've been saying the same thing for a long time - the game is way too ambitious for a first time indie dev. It was manageable at first, when you didn't really have any major flags, but now - it's too many branch paths with too many variables. And the evidence is clear - the full Game Show should've been what, episode 7 or 8 originally? Now it's chapter A of part B of episode C of season D.

Cutting some of the paths seems the right thing to do at this point, otherwise the updates will take years and the momentum for the game will die. Kyiomi path was dead weight anyway with 0 development, so no loss there. Losing the Demon flag sucks, but it's not like the game was overtly violent to begin with - almost all of the stuff is implied, not shown (like shoving a man's head into a lava pit with you heel - I love how cartoonishly evil it is). And intent and showing the mindset of the characters is for me more important than the visuals.

 

[harsha_26]

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The domination is better handled in desert stalker and yes the first scene of the based on your actions, MC beats a woman, the dungeon mechanism is also handled well. But, again, that is handled by a male dev, who is fascinated with maledom. Here it is handled by a female dev. She may fascinated with femdom content and yes, she is one of the best femdom dev i ever seen, but let's be honest, for dom paths, she have to depend on maledom fans for ideas whether she liked or not. Now also she listens to those maledom fans in her patreon, and she admitted that she always give maledom script to her husband first and he edits it.

But believe me, after she banned evil dom fans, most of the present active dom fanbase who have conversations with patreon channels are vanilla men and most of the times only talks about romance and story elements. Even if they talk about domination, they talk like it is a vanilla harem and all women should fall in love with kane. So, it is more expected in future that evil dom won't be that interesting, atleast for me. It may be interesting for you. You seem be more vanilla than me lol.

 

[harsha_26]

Now it's chapter A of part B of episode C of season D.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

Yes, that's also possible. BTW, what does Karen have to do with this? I know about Klara and Karin (Alexander's sisters)..But who is Karen?

Nothing game-related. Karen is a euphemism for people who bitch about everything in the game. Especially things they find offensive. Generally tends to be motherly type.

 

[Maviarab]

The domination is better handled in desert stalker and yes the first scene of the based on your actions, MC beats a woman, the dungeon mechanism is also handled well. But, again, that is handled by a male dev, who is fascinated with maledom. Here it is handled by a female dev. She may fascinated with femdom content and yes, she is one of the best femdom dev i ever seen, but let's be honest, for dom paths, she have to depend on maledom fans for ideas whether she liked or not. Now also she listens to those maledom fans in her patreon, and she admitted that she always give maledom script to her husband first and he edits it.

But believe me, after she banned evil dom fans, most of the present active dom fanbase who have conversations with patreon channels are vanilla men and most of the times only talks about romance and story elements. Even if they talk about domination, they talk like it is a vanilla harem and all women should fall in love with kane. So, it is more expected in future that evil dom won't be that interesting, atleast for me. It may be interesting for you. You seem be more vanilla than me lol.

Maledom and femdom and not actually that different. They are intrinsically the same and have the same exact same principles.

What you are one again missing, like most around here is that, there is no femdom here (a small, tiny amount on the SS path). Only forced torture with no consent. This is why her 'talk of Patreon etc' is utter bollox. Her game breaks multiple different Patreon ToS's.....yet for some reason, it's still up there.

*shrugs*

 

[HiHaHo]

Maledom and femdom and not actually that different. They are intrinsically the same and have the same exact same principles.

What you are one again missing, like most around here is that, there is no femdom here (a small, tiny amount on the SS path). Only forced torture with no consent. This is why her 'talk of Patreon etc' is utter bollox. Her game breaks 5 different Patreon ToS's.....yet for some reason, it's still up there.

*shrugs*

patreon is a company and company's want as much profits as they can get.
what was said about double standerds is true, the reason why the rules aren't enforced(yet) is because none has raised a stink about it(yet) or loud enough to be heard

if there was a "collective shout" point it out ,it should happen pretty fast especially with recent events ,not acting now would have a higher and bigger risk image/pr wise then a year so ago.
patreon would probably just cut their losses.

 

[Stan5851]

patreon is a company and company's want as much profits as they can get.
what was said about double standerds is true, the reason why the rules aren't enforced(yet) is because none has raised a stink about it(yet) or loud enough to be heard

if there was a "collective shout" point it out ,it should happen pretty fast especially with recent events ,not acting now would have a higher and bigger risk image/pr wise then a year so ago.
patreon would probably just cut their losses.

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