VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.31 TestB] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[f96zonetrooper]

New here just came a crossed this while looking for mc Dom games what type of Dom is in this because i notice there also FM Dom too

The Karlsson Group has a hierarchical structure with ranks, similar to the military :
K1-K4 : subs, slaves, slave workers, like a private
K5-K10 : privileged employees, like an officer
Z1-Z5 : dom, executives, like a general

The higher mc's rank above K4, the more opportunities to have sex with female slaves and other employees.
On dom path mc currently can reach K9, so there are scenes where mc can order some lower ranked women to serve him and there are some scenes where he can play with the big girls (Z1-Z4), have sex with them or exploit some slaves.
On sub path mc is usually the bottom when the girls above him want to have fun with him.

Content is almost equally divided between dom paths, sub paths and background story ...
It's a VN, not a sandbox, so you can only dominate in scenes which allow dominant choices ...

 

[harsha_26]

The Karlsson Group has a hierarchical structure with ranks, similar to the military :
K1-K4 : subs, slaves, slave workers, like a private
K5-K10 : privileged employees, like an officer
Z1-Z5 : dom, executives, like a general

The higher mc's rank above K4, the more opportunities to have sex with female slaves and other employees.
On dom path mc currently can reach K9, so there are scenes where mc can order some lower ranked women to serve him and there are some scenes where he can play with the big girls (Z1-Z4), have sex with them or exploit some slaves.
On sub path mc is usually the bottom when the girls above him want to have fun with him.

Content is almost equally divided between dom paths, sub paths and background story ...
It's a VN, not a sandbox, so you can only dominate in scenes which allow dominant choices ...

You mean to say you can only dominate which allow dominant choices even in dom path. That means, dom path is not a dom path. I don't know what that path is. It is "towards the dom at end point" path lol (but still largely vanilla fates with sisters individually at ending points).

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

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We're still supposed to be helping Katsumi run it, we're not even doing that at the moment. It just feels like we're standing around in the background as she does everything.

But yea, the doms may run shit behind the scenes but the subs get to experience it. I remember Olivia's birthday that Id help set that up (costing myself an improtant brosis point along the way), because I wanted to see that spectacle. Just to learn that as a dom player I wasnt gonna experience anything.

 

[f96zonetrooper]

You mean to say you can only dominate which allow dominant choices even in dom path. That means, dom path is not a dom path. I don't know what that path is. It is "towards the dom at end point" path lol (but still largely vanilla fates with sisters individually at ending points).

The problem is that it is a VN, not a sandbox or simulation with an open world ...
In theory dom Kane should have options to have sex with any female slave or lower ranked worker/employee, but in praxis most of that scenes do not exist in the game. And, as it is a femdom world, most of the higher ranked females should have options to exploit Kane.

Take the female pod with Amy (K2), Kelly (K3), Chloe (K4) and Angelica (K4) introduced in E6 (2022). There are sexual scenes for dom Kane with Amy and Kelly, but for Chloe and Angelica it's only a teasing scene ... A K9 dom Kane should have the option to have sex with all the girls including Angelica, but for special reasons most of the sexual scenes with Angelica are on the sub paths (including secret sub), so that Kane serves Angelica and not vice versa, even if Kane has a higher (K9) or equal (K4) rank than Angelica (K4).
-> Except for the early scene where Kane can electroshock Angelica's team in the mines, Dom Kane cannot dominate Angelica and/or have sex with her since such scenes do not exist in the VN.

I see the dom Kane path(s) mostly as a fan service for the type of players who are not into hardcore femdom. They allow players to see some scenes where Kane dominates females or just has sex with powerful females who enjoy his magic cock and/or crave for a strong man on top, independant of his rank, ignoring the game's overall femdom theme.

 

[Stan5851]

We're still supposed to be helping Katsumi run it, we're not even doing that at the moment. It just feels like we're standing around in the background as she does everything.

But yea, the doms may run shit behind the scenes but the subs get to experience it. I remember Olivia's birthday that Id help set that up (costing myself an improtant brosis point along the way), because I wanted to see that spectacle. Just to learn that as a dom player I wasnt gonna experience anything.

You're right (and I had the same experience when I chose Olivia's birthday in one of the saves, hoping to see new content, but got nothing), but again, the question arises whether we (Doms) will really be happy with our participation in helping Katsumi.

The thing is, Tess will apparently be diligently avoiding harsh interactions with female slaves, and all of this will be directed at male slaves, just like before. Do I want to participate in this as a co-host of the show? I doubt it. If there were female slaves whose performance Dom Kane would have to evaluate, comment on, or somehow influence the whole situation, then I'd definitely be in. Moreover, as far as I recall, it was mentioned earlier in the game that female pods would also participate in this show, albeit fewer than males. Therefore, it would be logical if we could assist Katsumi in events concerning these female pods. (imo)

 

[harsha_26]

You're right (and I had the same experience when I chose Olivia's birthday in one of the saves, hoping to see new content, but got nothing), but again, the question arises whether we (Doms) will really be happy with our participation in helping Katsumi.

The thing is, Tess will apparently be diligently avoiding harsh interactions with female slaves, and all of this will be directed at male slaves, just like before. Do I want to participate in this as a co-host of the show? I doubt it. If there were female slaves whose performance Dom Kane would have to evaluate, comment on, or somehow influence the whole situation, then I'd definitely be in. Moreover, as far as I recall, it was mentioned earlier in the game that female pods would also participate in this show, albeit fewer than males. Therefore, it would be logical if we could assist Katsumi in events concerning these female pods. (imo)

I think there will be definitely options for Dom Kane to influence the games, especially with pod girls and his two prison mate friends. That's the bare minimum expectation of the upcoming update.

 

[Dark Quean Olivia]

In theory dom Kane should have options to have sex with any female slave or lower ranked worker/employee

Are you forgetting he is still a peasant slave?

Why should he? He only getting an easy ride of it because of me!

 

[f96zonetrooper]

Are you forgetting he is still a peasant slave?

Why should he? He only getting an easy ride of it because of me!

Are you sure?
Dom Kane's easy ride starts in prison by doing a deal with Patricia (incl. sex). Pat does not know about Olivia at that time ...

 

[Stan5851]

I think there will be definitely options for Dom Kane to influence the games, especially with pod girls and his two prison mate friends. That's the bare minimum expectation of the upcoming update.

Yes, but these are basic and key things, such as our responsibility for the fate of our wpod girls or those two losers, Jake and Zach.

However, as far as I understand Miles, he says (and rightly so) that Dom Kane is currently deprived of any involvement in the events that the participants of this show are going through (regardless of whether they are men or women). Although, it would seem that we should be sitting in some cozy Roman-style amphitheater and evaluating/influencing the situation that develops during the slaves' performances in these slave trials.

But that's just not there yet. Yes, perhaps this is done on purpose, because not all Dom players want to see scenes of male slavery... So, perhaps the solution would be to allow D.Kane to hold several such events with Katsumi, in which some other female slaves would participate. As for our wpod, yes, we need more scenes with them, especially with Angelica, but in any case, none of them are participants in survival games. They have a more pleasant role - to serve VIP guests... carrying food, drinks, wiggling their asses, and so on.

 

[Dark Quean Olivia]

Are you sure?
Dom Kane's easy ride starts in prison by doing a deal with Patricia (incl. sex). Pat does not know about Olivia at that time ...

Incorrect.

He has it easy in prison because of who he is. It just gets easier because of Pat's deal (which is only for the exams/tests btw), which is told to her by Alessa, who is my new best friend.

He already has his own cell....something no one else has. He is already treated better than anyone else in prison because of who he is, because he there for a reason.

Do you even pay attention?

 

[f96zonetrooper]

Incorrect.

He has it easy in prison because of who he is. It just gets easier because of Pat's deal (which is only for the exams/tests btw), which is told to her by Alessa, who is my new best friend.

He already has his own cell....something no one else has. He is already treated better than anyone else in prison because of who he is, because he there for a reason.

Do you even pay attention?

I just responded to

He only getting an easy ride of it because of me!

I suppose with "me" you mean "Olivia" ???
AfaIk Olivia has no influence on Kane's status in prison nor on his deal with Pat at that time ...

"Do you even pay attention?"
Try to keep it civilized ... this is a public forum to discuss the game ...

 

[daffyrolls94]

I see the dom Kane path(s) mostly as a fan service for the type of players who are not into hardcore femdom. They allow players to see some scenes where Kane dominates females or just has sex with powerful females who enjoy his magic cock and/or crave for a strong man on top, independant of his rank, ignoring the game's overall femdom theme.

Fan service would imply a small added bonus aside from the main content, which is not the case since the "dom" path is half or close to half of the game. I wouldn't say it's a femdom world either, since it's elite women over everyone else regardless of gender, and they're elites because they inherited a man's power/wealth. The best way to describe it, imo, is as a female power fantasy, i.e a fantasy created by and catering to a woman (the dev). I think men looking for maledom porn can still be into that, which they evidently are including me. But if there's a divergence it's explained by what I just said.

Personally I don't understand the mindset that turns fetishes into ideologies needing to be defended or argued about. I mostly just fap to whatever gets me horny.

 

[ramvivat]

What's disgusting is that if Kane became a slave, not even his own mother (who, by the way, is not a nobody in the hierarchy) stood up for him. What can you call that?

And how did the sister repay her lil' sweet bro (who wants to save her with mom on the rocket) for listening to her and allowing her to make him a submissive (even though he wasn't a submissive at first, when he was in prison) without racking up the negative points the sister would have racked up for her brother's disobedience? Maybe she could have at least simply freed him? NO!

I think the true canonical path in the game is Kane, the evil dominator, destroying everyone and everything in the finale, making himself the sole head of the firm. He subjugates everyone and everything, and shouldn't even spare his own stepsister (and she deserves it, because, as above, she's nothing but ungrateful). And I would have also "disposed of" both mothers, if possible, because Olivia's mother directly threatened him to destroy him (on the Kane's slave path). All the Karlsson's to kill.

 

[hoochimama]

What's disgusting is that if Kane became a slave, not even his own mother (who, by the way, is not a nobody in the hierarchy) stood up for him. What can you call that?

And how did the sister repay her lil' sweet bro (who wants to save her with mom on the rocket) for listening to her and allowing her to make him a submissive (even though he wasn't a submissive at first, when he was in prison) without racking up the negative points the sister would have racked up for her brother's disobedience? Maybe she could have at least simply freed him? NO!

Good, good. Hatred and revenge. These things please Crom!

I think the true canonical path in the game is Kane, the evil dominator, destroying everyone and everything in the finale

The thing is an "evil dom" Kane shouldn't have much reason to want to go about "destroying everyone and everything", tearing down the system. He wants to be at the top of the system to best enjoy it, that's all. His evil ass is swimming in pussy and enjoying untold luxuries and unimagined sadistic delights thanks to this system after all, and both his sister and brother are possibly better off than they were before.
A good natured dom or former slave Kane secretly plotting to overthrow the system he's pretending to play along with would be more logical.

Your desire for revenge comes from your own experience of the slave/sub path. I found my first blind playthrough where I ended up on K4- out of the gate and managed to climb out of it gave me much better motivation to want to climb the ranks in order to overthrow the system and take my revenge out on the Karlsson board members and their lackeys. I would've also liked to feel betrayed by a corrupted sister I loved but since the decisions for her character were unfortunately in my hands I played her as nice as possible (while not jeopardizing her position/her ability to make a difference down the road).

 

[Nifferman]

Are you forgetting he is still a peasant slave?

Why should he? He only getting an easy ride of it because of me!

Shut up!! You are just his side-kick.

 

[Dark Quean Olivia]

Shut up!! You are just his side-kick.

 

[DoverDad]

Shut up!! You are just his side-kick.

Nope, you got that backwards, if anything, Kane the sidekick

 

[harsha_26]

Good, good. Hatred and revenge. These things please Crom!


The thing is an "evil dom" Kane shouldn't have much reason to want to go about "destroying everyone and everything", tearing down the system. He wants to be at the top of the system to best enjoy it, that's all. His evil ass is swimming in pussy and enjoying untold luxuries and unimagined sadistic delights thanks to this system after all, and both his sister and brother are possibly better off than they were before.
A good natured dom or former slave Kane secretly plotting to overthrow the system he's pretending to play along with would be more logical.

Your desire for revenge comes from your own experience of the slave/sub path. I found my first blind playthrough where I ended up on K4- out of the gate and managed to climb out of it gave me much better motivation to want to climb the ranks in order to overthrow the system and take my revenge out on the Karlsson board members and their lackeys. I would've also liked to feel betrayed by a corrupted sister I loved but since the decisions for her character were unfortunately in my hands I played her as nice as possible (while not jeopardizing her position/her ability to make a difference down the road).

Is it possible to get into evil dom path with starting as K4 and not involving alesandra secret sub path?

And yes, evil dom kane dont want to destroy the system. He want to rule at the top. I agree. But, still, there is scope for revenge because of his prison experience and the persons who are responsible to trap him, and the whole premise of the system under control of the karlssons and the inspiring (negatively) story of the great evil Alexander suffering the same shit under powerful women. So, the goal would be overthrow the sisters and rule over them.

 

[hoochimama]

Is it possible to get into evil dom path with starting as K4 and not involving alesandra secret sub path?

Not sure if you can avoid it, but you can eventually quit the secret dom path.

When I made the instant jump from K4 to K7 by sucking up I seemed to get enrolled in Alessandra's secret sub thing. At the time it didn't seem any different or worse than the sucking up I had to do to climb ranks. But later on when she exposed our "secret" femdom play to another chick (the wife or girlfriend of the z2 guy) and the dialogs and choices given implied she wouldn't really be keeping it a secret, that this sub thing might reflect poorly on me and eventually limit my progression I took the dialog option that ended the secret sub path. Alessandra immediately demoted me 2 ranks from K7 to K5.

 

[harsha_26]

Not sure if you can avoid it, but you can eventually quit the secret dom path.

When I made the instant jump from K4 to K7 by sucking up I seemed to get enrolled in Alessandra's secret sub thing. At the time it didn't seem any different or worse than the sucking up I had to do to climb ranks. But later on when she exposed our "secret" femdom play to another chick (the wife or girlfriend of the z2 guy) and the dialogs and choices given implied she wouldn't really be keeping it a secret, that this sub thing might reflect poorly on me and eventually limit my progression I took the dialog option that ended the secret sub path. Alessandra immediately demoted me 2 ranks from K7 to K5.

So, In that path after you get demoted to K5, you found any coherent conversations? Kane still got the job to monitor pod girls as a K5?