RPGM Completed Karryn's Prison [v1.3.0.52 FULL + DLCs] [Remtairy]

[JustAl]

To be honest, the new games seems like those old games that were good for the story but bad for the hentai elements. I'm not fully convinced it is a good idea and definitely not a good move imho, but whatever he is comfortable too.

True, but considering how well he shaped KP up from mere concepts, it might not be as bad as he wrote the initial idea above. He might end up making a better Fire Emblem style game than Nintendo, depending on what he's considering doing. Plus gameplay isn't 100% of the game. It could be a way to mature his storytelling for the next project afterwards.

 

[Evil Earthworm Jim]

I agree, but indie devs work on a different scale than triple-A devs, and H-game devs tend to make this feel even worse. I'll show the indie step list then the H-dev amendment.

How Indie Often Works:
1) Make assets for a game.
2) Make the game.
3) Recycle much of the first project's assets for a continuing story universe, because making assets wastes a lot of time and fans want a new game soon because they liked the first game.
4) Iteratively build your world per game.

What H-game Devs Tend to Do As Well:
5) The next game is functionally identical to the previous game to an uncomfortable degree.
6) Make sure the porn characters look different enough.

I feel like the dev of this game feels afraid of the success of KP being so big that the next project will fail in comparison. Do fans really want the same exact battle and edict system? It's hard to not alienate the fans you got by making a very different game, but it's very easy to make another game if you don't change much. I'm not sure how much staleness hurts H-devs, because dinosaurs like Koo*oonSoft have been rehashing the same borrowed ideas since Flash game days.
Correction: The dev's just wrapping up KP because they're not working on any similar game next.


Having Read the Progress Report Now (link):
I'm very surprised and pleased because I've become jaded to the bullshit of H-game development. The short of it is that Rem's not going to do anything remotely similar to KP, because they think life is too short and they don't care what anyone thinks so they're going to do something completely different for their own satisfaction. It's nice to see someone have standards, I practically couldn't believe anyone would set their standards as high as they should.

This is how it's supposed to be. Someone is creating something they want to do, and like-minded individuals are expressing their support not by trying to control the content for their own selfish means but by encouraging the creator to continue creating the content they appreciate them for. The community has far too much creative control over the content being created, which is why everything is in such a state these days, and too often, it's not even the fan base that has the greatest influence on content creators. I find myself more and more turning to content created 40 or 50 years ago, when content creation wasn't limited by the opinions of loud-mouthed individuals who weren't getting everything they wanted. It's our responsibility to change the channel if we don't like what we see. I understand it's difficult to not try to insert yourself into something that you feel so passionately about; however, people need to leave content creators alone to do the thing they're good at. I'm always reminded of sayings like "too many cooks spoil the broth" or "A camel is a horse designed by a committee" when I see people giving their 2 cents.

 

[Neriel]

This is how it's supposed to be. Someone is creating something they want to do, and like-minded individuals are expressing their support not by trying to control the content for their own selfish means but by encouraging the creator to continue creating the content they appreciate them for. The community has far too much creative control over the content being created, which is why everything is in such a state these days, and too often, it's not even the fan base that has the greatest influence on content creators. I find myself more and more turning to content created 40 or 50 years ago, when content creation wasn't limited by the opinions of loud-mouthed individuals who weren't getting everything they wanted. It's our responsibility to change the channel if we don't like what we see. I understand it's difficult to not try to insert yourself into something that you feel so passionately about; however, people need to leave content creators alone to do the thing they're good at. I'm always reminded of sayings like "too many cooks spoil the broth" or "A camel is a horse designed by a committee" when I see people giving their 2 cents.

So if the Dev creates something bad we should just shut up and take it or leave? What kind of stupid argument is that? If a Dev gets influenced by random people, that don't give constructive feedback, then its the devs fault. But if a dev ignores constructive feedback for whatever reason and then something turns out bad guess what the dev failed. There is a reason the gym DLC is underwhelming in KP because Rem instead of listening to feedback after he recieved a ton of negative feedback still released it in the same state.

 

[Evil Earthworm Jim]

So if the Dev creates something bad we should just shut up and take it or leave? What kind of stupid argument is that? If a Dev gets influenced by random people, that don't give constructive feedback, then its the devs fault. But if a dev ignores constructive feedback for whatever reason and then something turns out bad guess what the dev failed. There is a reason the gym DLC is underwhelming in KP because Rem instead of listening to feedback after he recieved a ton of negative feedback still released it in the same state.

Are you sure you've replied to the correct message?

 

[Creamcheesecriminal]

What .js file do I have to dig into to tweak gain/loss values for stamina during battle?

 

[Neriel]

Are you sure you've replied to the corret message?

Yes, you very clearly stated about if you don't like it leave and just let them do whatever they are good at or not?

It's our responsibility to change the channel if we don't like what we see. I understand it's difficult to not try to insert yourself into something that you feel so passionately about; however, people need to leave content creators alone to do the thing they're good at.

 

[Evil Earthworm Jim]

Yes, you very clearly stated about if you don't like it leave and just let them do whatever they are good at or not?

I don't say this to upset or offend you however, I don't think you've understood my comment or at least understood past what was on the surface. I wont be replying further, I don't want to derail this thread but if you want to have a conversation with me, send me a PM.

 

[danadana]

So if the Dev creates something bad we should just shut up and take it or leave? What kind of stupid argument is that? If a Dev gets influenced by random people, that don't give constructive feedback, then its the devs fault. But if a dev ignores constructive feedback for whatever reason and then something turns out bad guess what the dev failed. There is a reason the gym DLC is underwhelming in KP because Rem instead of listening to feedback after he recieved a ton of negative feedback still released it in the same state.

The most constructive thing that was said to rem was that he should throw away all the months of work and do it again, apart from the fact that the ideas that were given could not be implemented because they were tedious as hell, others were impossible because the dlc would have to be redone along with new art and others would take too much time to develop, and besides, Sometimes i read and say, people forget that Karryn Prison is a hentai game and therefore is not unreasonable to release sexual content with 0 mechanics for a hentai game.

Sometimes I get lost and look at the title to see if I am in the Karryn Prison thread or in a darkest dungeon/dark soul thread.

 

[Neriel]

The most constructive thing that was said to rem was that he should throw away all the months of work and do it again, apart from the fact that the ideas that were given could not be implemented because they were tedious as hell, others were impossible because the dlc would have to be redone along with new art and others would take too much time to develop, and besides, Sometimes i read and say, people forget that Karryn Prison is a hentai game and therefore is not unreasonable to release sexual content with 0 mechanics for a hentai game.

There was more than enough good feedback for the gym DLC on discord on how to improve it with just what was already there. No need to rework anything. I know it, since I was active participating back then in that discussion. That is why I said as a dev you need to ignore the bad feedback and take the good ones.

And yes, it is actually reasonable to expect from a paid DLC in a h-game that actually isn't just a look at pretty pictures h-game, to have mechanics instead of being gloryhole 2.0

 

[LaneGofu]

You pirate because you dont want to spend money
I pirate because I dont want them to have the money
We are not the same.

I pirate cause i like me booty, arrrrgh!

 

[zoomies]

Do you still have this mod? Also about the second picture that karryn is like she was pissed off, is that seen in the game?

as was stated it was never finished. you would have to find the unfinished mod and finish it yourself. the mod was posted here in the past, you might find the unfinished mod with a search. maybe you can finish this mod.

 

[danadana]

There was more than enough good feedback for the gym DLC on discord on how to improve it with just what was already there. No need to rework anything. I know it, since I was active participating back then in that discussion. That is why I said as a dev you need to ignore the bad feedback and take the good ones.

And yes, it is actually reasonable to expect from a paid DLC in a h-game that actually isn't just a look at pretty pictures h-game, to have mechanics instead of being gloryhole 2.0

and for this reason we will not have more content from Karryn Prison because you guys have burned so much rem with your stupid ideas, your attempts at developers and your bullshit that now there will be no more content because whatever he does will never make you ppl happy

Even if it is a DLC, it is unreasonable to ask for things because it is something that does not directly affect the story or changes it or adds new mechanics, just add more porn if you like it, buy it and if you don't like it, skip it.

I would buy the argument if this dlc added a new story, new mechanics, new ways to play, more achievements, new bosses, prison expansions, but there are 4 cgs to pass the time watching porn and they do not affect the game at any time. I can play Karryn Prison and enjoy everything it offers me without using the optional cosmetics.

The only thing I can agree with and it seems unfair to me is for the people who liked the art before the drawings were redesigned to add the huge boobs dlc and who can no longer access them

 

[Purple_Heart]

and for this reason we will not have more content from Karryn Prison because you guys have burned so much rem with your stupid ideas, your attempts at developers and your bullshit that now there will be no more content because whatever he does will never make you ppl happy

Yeah people burned dev with their "stupid ideas" and it is totally not because dev came up with stupid ideas NOOOO it is always the people's fault. Developers cannot be at fault, ever.

 

[danadana]

Yeah people burned dev with their "stupid ideas" and it is totally not because dev came up with stupid ideas NOOOO it is always the people's fault. Developers cannot be at fault, ever.

and in that you are right it is true that many developers screw up but this is not the case karrin prison has a very toxic fandom
And of the worst, the type: I have the absolute truth. I am always right and everything that goes outside my line of thought is wrong. Things have to be done the way I say and if you don't you are a bad developer.

 

[JustAl]

and in that you are right it is true that many developers screw up but this is not the case karrin prison has a very toxic fandom
And of the worst, the type: I have the absolute truth. I am always right and everything that goes outside my line of thought is wrong. Things have to be done the way I say and if you don't you are a bad developer.

Rem mentioned in his letter that he is working on a game regardless of who he makes happy. That statement may very well be addressing the nagging he was getting, as he felt he could not make his fans happy. Considering Rem had an awakening through mortality as he said, it makes sense he gives zero fucks anymore and will just live the way he wants because he thinks life is too short to care to the point of feeling sick over it. KP was solid so I say let him cook. We'll know later. He's done enough good that KP is a good example to many people for how to improve their in-dev game projects. I suspect a person so creative can figure out new good things to implement. Even if he missed before, he got enough feedback to know why he shouldn't do that anymore, per mistake he got bad feedback for.

 

[negroidprime]

If i were a developer, i'd pretty much stop giving a fuck about what people tell me, fandoms are just the most cancerous thing this planet hold on it. (For example, this thread in most parts.)
There's no point in trying to please everyone so just make a product that you're pleased with, it'll get the audience it'll get no matter what, if it's 10, 100, 1000 etc. people then so be it, trying to please everyone is a sisyphean task.

 

[Purple_Heart]

and in that you are right it is true that many developers screw up but this is not the case karrin prison has a very toxic fandom
And of the worst, the type: I have the absolute truth. I am always right and everything that goes outside my line of thought is wrong. Things have to be done the way I say and if you don't you are a bad developer.

Actually the worst type is: I hereby swear to defend this developer until my last breath. I will do whatever it takes to defend them even if it meant using strawman arguments to make sure they never ever get criticized for their stupid ideas.

 

[DemonLord98]

Yeah people burned dev with their "stupid ideas" and it is totally not because dev came up with stupid ideas NOOOO it is always the people's fault. Developers cannot be at fault, ever.

110%. Fucking sick and fucking tired of devs, developers, directors, writers, ect giving us shit and when it bombs and fails, they turn around and blame US for not just shutting the fuck up and giving them our money for almost nothing. Not Rem in particular just in general it's the trend now a days in the movies and gaming industry.

 

[danadana]

Actually the worst type is: I hereby swear to defend this developer until my last breath. I will do whatever it takes to defend them even if it meant using strawman arguments make sure they never ever get criticized for their stupid ideas.

If it were a huge developer with millions of dollars that is dedicated to squeezing players and giving them garbage, I would buy your argument, but the case is two small freelancers with ideas without financing and who have released a good game and with what they have earned they are going to finance their next game, so I guess there are differences of opinions, I can't treat two people who have worked hard to make a good game and a multinational that is dedicated to shitting in the players' mouths in the same way.

because let's remember that although there have been bad ideas that obviously a developer may have, no one is perfect. Karrin Prison is a good game that sets a lot of difference with other games and I believe in what I see and I see that the fandom of this game is tremendously toxic, Probably if you asked me about another game we would have the same opinion for sure

 

[Purple_Heart]

If it were a huge developer with millions of dollars that is dedicated to squeezing players and giving them garbage, I would buy your argument, but the case is two small freelancers with ideas without financing and who have released a good game and with what they have earned they are going to finance their next game, so I guess there are differences of opinions, I can't treat two people who have worked hard to make a good game and a multinational that is dedicated to shitting in the players' mouths in the same way.

Poor developers make a shit dlc: I defend
Rich developers make a shit dlc: I attack