RPGM Completed Karryn's Prison [v1.3.0.61 FULL + DLCs] [Remtairy]

[RLJFZ]

Karryn's Prison is the best H game out there

I don't really follow this game's development history so I don't have any comment on that. However I've seen many people say this statement, how this hgame is the best hgame out there and I genuinely don't understand how.

The first time I played this hgame on easy mode and completed it I was like "Ok", it was a decently good hgame, a 6.5/10. But then the biggest problem surfaced when I tried the harder difficulties, how this hgame was actually smeared with tons of RNG and mind-numbing grind that completely spoiled my enjoyment of the H content. The amount of clicks I had to do during H-combat and side job was something I've never experienced in any other games. Instead of my dick, I felt like my soul was the one being sucked dry as I try to desperately end the misery of repeating the same stuff over and over again. That bar side job for example was pure hell on steroid and it didn't get any better even after installing those mods.

The H content is certainly good but it's completely spoiled by the horrendous game mechanics. This hgame is far from being the best hgame. But eh, if people can still enjoy the sex scenes despite the mind-numbing-grind-fiesta then good for them. I gave this hgame like 7 chances but 6 out of them, I gave up. The grind and RNG is simply too much for my taste.

 

[droglob]

The first time I played this hgame on easy mode and completed it I was like "Ok"

I found your problem. I don't think you get the premise of the game. KP had many qualities but it's standout one was the cohesive melding of it's premise, gameplay and porn, something 99% of all H-games fail at. You are meant to have those problems because they are how the corruption aspect is naturally weaved into the game. Even though there is a pure route for those who care, the game is meant to push Karryn into becoming a wanton slut by the end. In other games this would be a shitty event collecting borefest or asking the player to lose fights on purpose to see the thing they came to see, both putting all the initiative on the player side while also going against the premise set by the game; in this game the corruption is organically pushed on the player by the game.

You went out of your way to engage with the game's systems as little as possible so that's why you don't get it. This is like the people who play a good action game on baby mode and then go "eh it was an alright button masher".

The grind is awful though. You know why it's awful? Because half the things that were supposed to be in the game for you to do while you played through it were never put in the game. So enjoy playing the fucking bar minigame for the millionth time.

 

[RLJFZ]

I found your problem. I don't think you get the premise of the game. KP had many qualities but it's standout one was the cohesive melding of it's premise, gameplay and porn, something 99% of all H-games fail at. You are meant to have those problems because they are how the corruption aspect is naturally weaved into the game. Even though there is a pure route for those who care, the game is meant to push Karryn into becoming a wanton slut by the end. In other games this would be a shitty event collecting borefest or asking the player to lose fights on purpose to see the thing they came to see, both putting all the initiative on the player side while also going against the premise set by the game; in this game the corruption is organically pushed on the player by the game.

You went out of your way to engage with the game's systems as little as possible so that's why you don't get it. This is like the people who play a good action game on baby mode and then go "eh it was an alright button masher".

The grind is awful though. You know why it's awful? Because half the things that were supposed to be in the game for you to do while you played through it were never put in the game. So enjoy playing the fucking bar minigame for the millionth time.

I do get the premise of this hgame, how this hgame pushes Karryn to becomes a slut, and that's exactly what I aimed for the next playthrough. And I've experienced this hgame's mechanics well well enough to see how bad the game mechanics actually is, solely because of its soul crushing grind and RNG. I'm not someone who likes easy challenge, I like difficult hgames like LonaRPG, because those games don't push you through an insanely unnecessary grind to get things done. Me going easy mode on Karryn's Prison is just my way of seeing the scale of a game's mechanics, just like I do with every game, and the hardest difficulty should usually be the most fun part, which definitely isn't in this hgame's case.

 

[droglob]

I do get the premise of this hgame, how this hgame pushes Karryn to becomes a slut, and that's exactly what I aimed for the next playthrough. And I've experienced this hgame's mechanics well well enough to see how bad the game mechanics actually is, solely because of its soul crushing grind and RNG. I'm not someone who likes easy challenge, I like difficult hgames like LonaRPG, because those games don't push you through an insanely unnecessary grind to get things done. Me going easy mode on Karryn's Prison is just my way of seeing the scale of a game's mechanics, just like I do with every game, and the hardest difficulty should usually be the most fun part, which definitely isn't in this hgame's case.

Prisoner mode is arguably the only way the game should be played.

Easy mode has never been the way to judge a game's mechanics, you can say that's a way to see how much content a game has in this case and i guess. Easy mode is always a horizontal slice of what is the intended multi layer cake full experience and in most games that's not normal mode.

 

[k2ren]

Because half the things that were supposed to be in the game for you to do while you played through it were never put in the game.

what do you mean it was "never put in the game?" are you saying the dev wanted to put more things into the game but didn't, or the way he played he avoided all those "fun" things?

if the latter, can i ask then what fun things are there to experience if someone plays on higher difficulty? you can spoil me i dont mind (although for others' sake too much spoiler might need a spoiler tag)

 

[RLJFZ]

Prisoner mode is arguably the only way the game should be played.

Easy mode has never been the way to judge a game's mechanics, you can say that's a way to see how much content a game has in this case and i guess. Easy mode is always a horizontal slice of what is the intended multi layer cake full experience and in most games that's not normal mode.

Alright let me rephrase it then, easy mode is one of the ways I see how a game's mechanics scale. Again, I don't like playing a game on easy mode, me going on easy mode is like choosing the first quest in a game, a way for me to familiarize myself with the game as I work my way through the endgame. And what I'm saying here is the endgame in this hgame is not fun at all because of the intense grindfest and RNG.

 

[Bluesent]

what do you mean it was "never put in the game?" are you saying the dev wanted to put more things into the game but didn't, or the way he played he avoided all those "fun" things?

if the latter, can i ask then what fun things are there to experience if someone plays on higher difficulty? you can spoil me i dont mind (although for others' sake too much spoiler might need a spoiler tag)

To my knowledge higher difficult just adds more to the combat system, making it more of a pain in the ass lmao. I'm here to beat my meat, not get my ass beat

 

[droglob]

Alright let me rephrase it then, easy mode is one of the ways I see how a game's mechanics scale. Again, I don't like playing a game on easy mode, me going on easy mode is like choosing the first quest in a game, a way for me to familiarize myself with the game as I work my way through the endgame. And what I'm saying here is the endgame in this hgame is not fun at all because of the intense grindfest and RNG.

Actually I'm gonna take back what i said. Prisoner mode SHOULD be the only way the game is played, but it's not balanced well for that. You basically have to go into it already knowing how the game works in detail and with a planned out build of either being a slut or not. That's contrary to what the theme of the game which is Karryn getting naturally corrupted as you play. So Prisoner mode, for someone playing the game for he first time, works if they expect to fail (which is in line with the theme) and keep replaying the game until they know enough to beat it. For one playthrough only i guess the normal mode is the best you can get.

 

[droglob]

Speaking of this game: How fucked is it since the DLC released? Have enough patches come through for it to be played or are there still issues?

 

[misfit181993]

It's stable for pc, joiplay is fucked tho until the mod patches it

 

[RLJFZ]

Actually I'm gonna take back what i said. Prisoner mode SHOULD be the only way the game is played, but it's not balanced well for that. You basically have to go into it already knowing how the game works in detail and with a planned out build of either being a slut or not. That's contrary to what the theme of the game which is Karryn getting naturally corrupted as you play. So Prisoner mode, for someone playing the game for he first time, works if they expect to fail (which is in line with the theme) and keep replaying the game until they know enough to beat it. For one playthrough only i guess the normal mode is the best you can get.

I'm gonna be honest, I don't think I would have the will to replay through all of that grind. Replaying an entire playthrough for the 50th times is something I would do if I actually enjoyed the mechanics which unfortunately I didn't here. I think I'll just go with the lower difficulty and enjoy the H content.

 

[droglob]

I'm gonna be honest, I don't think I would have the will to replay through all of that grind. Replaying an entire playthrough for the 50th times is something I would do if I actually enjoyed the mechanics which unfortunately I didn't here. I think I'll just go with the lower difficulty and enjoy the H content.

You probably would if the game was actually finished

 

[manscout]

I like how the systems in Karryn work and I had fun collecting all the titles, but it is a grindy motherfucker and some people are just never gonna be into that. Adding more side-jobs and floors wouldn't have changed that, it would have just added more things for the player to grind.

Hell, even with the side-jobs we do have, the only one that was ever worth doing for me was the stripper side-job and exclusively for the challenge runs because using it to nullify riots while you setup your economy to sustain the "anti-riot guards" edict made finishing those runs more reliable, but that still involved playing the goddamn stripper minigame everyday for like 20 days.

The side-jobs are fun minigames in themselves and the changes of uniform/scenario freshen up the scenes for you to beat your meat to them, but they do not fix the inherent grindyness of the game. To deal with the grind I think the game would need to have rebalanced how arousal works on the prisoners (it is ridiculous how much longer it takes to win through arousal than through physical damage), or add an auto-battler mode that quickly deals with chaff and trash (pleasure stance is almost that but only works for slut builds and even then it is just going idle), and maybe a way to "condense" certain mechanics so they are less repetitive to deal with (i.e, add a "riot boss" mob that you can defeat to instantly end a riot on a floor instead of having to fight 5-6 mobs everytime a riot happens).

 

[LOGhetto]

Left the game half finished with a complete tag slapped on it, not only that but in the following years he had the gall to release "DLC" that turned out to be minimum effort with maximum "dev" time. He gets away with it because of brown nosers like the one above.

People who think this game is great don't realize that 85% of the content they think is great was all made in the first half of it's development, which was already not short mind you. Then the guy leaned back on his business hammock and started doing as little work as he could for ever increasing paid "support".

- He left the last two floors unfinished, a complete joke that everyone can see. Actually can't even say they are unfinished because there is no work there, it's just a room that exists.
- He never implemented most of the side activities in the game. Now you have history revisionists saying those were never meant to exist, like people are that stupid they can't see it in front of their eyes
- Edicts that alluded to extra scenes were transformed into just percentage and stat boosts
- He cut content such as the masochistic pose/scenes
- The ending was a rushed joke, with one scene for one route that is basically just a variation of the guards office invasion scene
- He spent a year (or over a year?) making the Gym DLC (which was already cut content from the game) only for it to turn out awful. People complained so he put on his good guy hat and said he would remake it to please the fans. So he took another year getting that sweet "I'm working hard" money and then released the DLC again exactly how it already was but with an added copy pasted scene that was already in the game. Mission Acomplished.
- I forget the time frame for it's developement but he also worked hard on the "draw squigly lines on Karryn's face" DLC
- His latest venture is the clown tits DLC which took another year and consisted of him doing basically nothing while the artist touched up blatantly AI generated images to replace the art style.

TLDR: Half way through developing the game he started doing a quarter of the work he used to.

Karryn's Prison is the best H game out there but it would have been twice as good if the guy have kept his pace and his promices. To me that is already bad but what he's done with DLC since then is even worse.

Edit: Oh and by the way: When Karryn's Prison ended the way it did, the cope back then was to say that it was a good thing because Remtairy was gonna start working on his new game, but it's more than clear that his MO since then is not to work on any new game but to cash in on KP with lame DLCs. Also keep in mind how dumb it is to assume a new game from him would just be on the same level as KP given his work prior to it and since. We had a good thing and it was wasted.

Patreon H-Game creators never beating the "grifter" allegations

 

[Dickhead8888]

To be fair the game came out in 2020, it was a different time, when the market, the need and all was new. Karryn's Prison wouldnt even hold a candle if it was released last year.

The game really just has nothing special to it, I played it in 2020 because there was nothing else to do and I keep playing it now because this is what I has been doing and I wonder why do I keep playing it.

post nut clarification is real.

 

[Purple_Heart]

Patreon H-Game creators...

Do you mean patreon porn game scammers? I genuinely can't remember a single good patreon porn game developer that didn't prolong/milk their game as much as possible just to milk "people" more.

 

[S U C C M Y C O C]

Still no way to use CCmod in Joiplay?

 

[droglob]

To be fair the game came out in 2020, it was a different time, when the market, the need and all was new. Karryn's Prison wouldnt even hold a candle if it was released last year.

The game really just has nothing special to it, I played it in 2020 because there was nothing else to do and I keep playing it now because this is what I has been doing and I wonder why do I keep playing it.

post nut clarification is real.

What has released since KP that blew people's crusty socks away? Cause i haven't seen anything worthy of note.

 

[Purple_Heart]

What has released since KP that blew people's crusty socks away? Cause i haven't seen anything worthy of note.

Define "people".
Most played games on this site are vn's, 3dcg crap and "games" such as Wild Life and Fallen Doll. I'm pretty sure atleast some of those are still considered "best game ever" by "people".
Do they count?

 

[Kuroimi95]

To be fair the game came out in 2020, it was a different time, when the market, the need and all was new. Karryn's Prison wouldnt even hold a candle if it was released last year.

The game really just has nothing special to it, I played it in 2020 because there was nothing else to do and I keep playing it now because this is what I has been doing and I wonder why do I keep playing it.

post nut clarification is real.

I have to disagree here, the market wasn't "new" back in 2020.

I mean, yes, in 2020, hgames in general became more popular, both due to Covid, and Steam starting since around 2017 to accept Hgames...
However, the Hgame market itself already existed for a long time. If we're not including Japan's Hgame market (which existed since even before the 90's), Hgames started getting popular globally around 2012, mostly due to the fantranslation of japanese Hgames, then even more in 2015 with the birth of Nutaku.

Karryn's Prison worked because it has a more interesting way to corrupt the protagonist, while most corruption games, even now, still do the usual "trigger some events in town and lose fights".
It also has a very unique feel compared to most RPG Maker games, and a lot of stuff that can make your experience feel unique (multiple ways to make your protagonist stronger, multiple endings, a lot of title with actual effects, minigames, NG+...)

The devs also weren't at their first game, so they were already a bit known in the market, and people had a point of reference (Meltys Quest).

Karryn's Prison have some problems, but even if it released today, I think it would still sell well enough.

Most of the unhappy people aren't unhappy because of how Karryn's Prison released (even if they did cut some content), they're unhappy because the devs didn't do much with it afterwards by releasing very niche DLCs (like the P-cup one) instead of more actual content like new floors for example, or working on their next big game.