VN Ren'Py Kingdom of Deception [v0.14.2.2] [Hreinn Games]

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MADAO ... But it's more interesting than waiting for an update. although looking into the carpet is better than waiting for an update ...
 
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I'm starting to think this project is dead and everyone involved knows it. There's really no point for the devs to admit it publicly though, because who doesn't like free money? It's quite clear to me that this is only a milking operation now.
 
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kobak said:
MADAO ... But it's more interesting than waiting for an update. although looking into the carpet is better than waiting for an update ...
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That's also true.
I very often check this thread to see if there're any news and sometimes post a comment when I'm at it because fuck I like this game very much (and I'm addicted to porn :FacePalm:) and I'd like it to succeed or get finished in the first place but I'm getting disappointed before and after every update since Sierra has left.
Has such an incredible potential but could have, would have...
It is what it is.
 
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That's also true.
I very often check this thread to see if there're any news and sometimes post a comment when I'm at it because fuck I like this game very much (and I'm addicted to porn :FacePalm:) and I'd like it to succeed or get finished in the first place but I'm getting disappointed before and after every update since Sierra has left.
Has such an incredible potential but could have, would have...
It is what it is.
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You need to find a fucking hobby.
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(Just a friendly jab.) :p:sneaky:
But yes, I also agree with your statements. ^^
 
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TL;DR - Nomo does art. Hreinn Games have coders and Sierra is not involved. Using excuses to push for a Spring release.

Nomo developed the original concept, backgrounds, and art while Sierra put those concepts to paper as it were. However, she left long ago (and many suspect is due to differing work ethics) whereas the coders and other writers, Ndsferrari and Monaco Dingo, have been on board with the project since November 2017 (at least; per their Patreon). And Monsinne have been involved since 2018 as I recall, but likely sooner.

In regards to delays, the excuse for why things are slow that sometimes gets tossed around by some including the dev team is that these latest additions to Hreinn Games (and the loss of Sierra) is that they're still new and still figuring out the ropes. This is nonsense, of course. It doesn't take years to simply settle in. As such and as respectfully as I can put it while making this point crystal clear, this is utter and complete *bullshit*.

People have rightly called them out on it. So instead (and this part is my opinion only), the team have come up with a new and exciting way to string their supporters and fans along... No news whatsoever! Instead of posting any kind of information, they chose not to post anything because without any posts of subsistence then people can't pick apart their excuses and put their feet to the fire. Silence is golden.

However, as time marches onward with the clamoring of their lack of professionalism and accusations of Hreinn Games are milking their patrons grows ever louder, they are then, I feel, obligated to throw a bone to appease their fans and curious onlookers. This sometimes comes in the form of a quick post talking about the game or a very minor update, but more often than not it's more excuses. Some are understandably tragic and people have given the team the benefit of the doubt, as I have; however, and not to sound cold, this only goes so far. Overall, the community have been extremely patient, understanding, lenient, and supportive more often than not while keeping the vitriol and toxicity surprisingly low when it comes to Hreinn Games as a whole. (I'm proud of you guys.)

Yet, they are squandering the faith people put in them. People are getting tired of it.

In regards to questions about a possible update, we can make a reasonable extrapolation of when that might be, given Hreinn Games past performances. They appear to have settled into a biannual release schedule. (See below.)
That the schedule Hreinn Games have now apparently settled into being one significant update each in spring and fall. And wouldn't you know it? Right on queue, Hreinn Games throws said bone mentioned above in mid-October which falls in the middle of the season. They typically don't deviate how often they now disseminate news. Thus, it came as a pleasant surprise when there was an uptick in their Patreon posts activity prior to this. It didn't last.

But they hit their target about throwing something out (or lack thereof). Yes, the last bit of news is unfortunate, but not tragic. Not only that, they tied in an excuse with some information about the game. They're pretty sly like that essentially saying "Here's why we're slow but here's what we got and hope you guys are excited enough to keep supporting us!". People looking at that in a vacuum would think that's a reasonable post. People who have been around knows better.

That said, don't expect a major release of the game until spring (maybe winter if we're lucky). It's the opinion of many, given that Hreinn Games hit their fall "quota" and considering when they release updates, there won't be any news or an excuse until December and not an actual update to the game until spring. It's been discussed many times how game development can be hard and how this game is complicated; hence, taking more time. On the other hand, there's also been many discussions about how a lot of it is mitigated and isn't anywhere near as complicated as some may believe it to be. Thus, development time is a poor excuse if it takes a full year to reach the next milestone update.

As much as I want them to succeed, as a former patron, I can only recommend that people do not support them financially on their Patreon until they shape up. As it is, Hreinn Games have burned a lot of good faith (and this certainly true of myself and many of my friends in the real world over here) and I cannot in good conscience continue to support them with the way things are. You can respectfully disagree, and I'm okay with that. Nevertheless, they have to do better, and the best way to do that, short of more frequent game updates, is to communicate much more often than they currently do. The radio silence route and their apparent release schedule should be red flags to current and potential new supporters. Look for good things to happen but also be careful of propping up your hopes too much.

As always guys and gals, be safe out there and stay awesome! Cheers!

Minor Edit: Quote for the release dates isn't showing the full list for some odd reason. Added cropped section, again. Sorry if displays duplicates.
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Know if Sierra has any projects right now?
 
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Know if Sierra has any projects right now?
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Oh yes. She's very active. Here's her main adult gaming page:
You must be registered to see the links

Not only does she have many games already completed (see Steam and other popular platforms), but she also does a fair bit of writing -- both adult and "nonadult". Though, her non-sexual based work are under a different pen name.
 
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do I need renpy to play this game?
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I do not advise starting this game, it is interrupted in the middle (the author left), how to read a book of 2 volumes, where the second volume was burned by the author and you will never find out the endings.
 
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kobak said:
I do not advise starting this game, it is interrupted in the middle (the author left), how to read a book of 2 volumes, where the second volume was burned by the author and you will never find out the endings.
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The author is still working on this game according to every recent news.
 
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Did the game advanced outside the orc camp yet cause last time i downloaded this game i deleted it as fast.
 
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Oh yes. She's very active. Here's her main adult gaming page:
You must be registered to see the links

Not only does she have many games already completed (see Steam and other popular platforms), but she also does a fair bit of writing -- both adult and "nonadult". Though, her non-sexual based work are under a different pen name.
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Wait... so does it mean Nomo was the one creating the bottleneck in this project?
 
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Wait... so does it mean Nomo was the one creating the bottleneck in this project?
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A: We simply don't know. See below for a more detailed response.

Answered in regards to Sierra (who left years ago) per topic of the quote --- No one outside of the development team knows what happened behind the scenes. All we know for certain is that Nomo and Sierra had worked together before on a previous game (Noxian Nights) and that they worked together for a while on this one (KoD) before Sierra left. There's been much speculation but among the ideas that had been floated were: differing visions on the direction of KoD, conflicting work ethics for this project despite the success of NN (including possible "bottleneck" problems), time constraints by Sierra while she worked on her own solo projects, and how the revenue should be split between them. We simply don't know why Sierra left the team; all we know is that the relationship between the two ended "amicably".

Answered in regards to the current Hreinn Games team --- The current team consists of Nomo, Ndsferrari, and Monsinne. They've been together for a long time; thus, any issues or concerns should be directed with this current team in mind. This team, quite frankly, is gawd-awful at communicating with their fanbase. In regards to the team's current format, no one knows for certain what each team member actually do, what their responsibilities are, or what each of them have contributed to KoD. It's assumed that Nomo does the majority of the art if not all of it, and that Nds and Monsinne are the coders and writers for the project (with creative input from Nomo). Some believe that Monsinne is the current lead writer for the game's story. Again, no one knows what's holding up the show -- the "bottleneck" -- or what each of them are supposed to be tackling because they're simply not transparent on the matter. Boy, on the otherhand, they're excellent at coming up with excuses while leading people on with what little news of subsistence they that occasionally toss out. This is a stark contrast, imo, to how the early duo communicated with their fans which also included multiple outlets. (Take Sierra, for instance, she communicates with her fanbase on the regular along with frequent news updates for her projects including unexpected issues encountered.) As such, many believe Hreinn Games' credibility is shot to hell when it comes to the truthfulness of what little news that they share. This is something that they need and must work on going forward if they don't wish to further alienate their fanbase.

So why does it seem like there's a "bottleneck" that's slowing down the development of this game? We just don't know. We don't even know if there even is any kind of bottleneck. Maybe the current team is just slow, but people are free to make educated guesses.
 
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