VN Ren'Py Kingdom of Deception [v0.14.2.2] [Hreinn Games]

[EpicReee]

It's a product you take money for, not a hobby.

You, good sir, are incredibly dense.

Yes, they sell a product in form of entertainment software, but where exactly does any "law" exist that states "There can't be more than X amount of female/male sidecharacters in your porn game", are you high?

They can make the game female character exclusive and remove all existing male characters for all you could care, or hell, they could even scrap Sabia as a whole and make it purely based on sidecharacters. You have no say in what content makes it in their game. If the leadartist, who is also the project founder, prefers to draw female characters over male characters, that should be reason enough for you. In fact, they could do it just because they can and that's something you would have to accept.

They have no obligation to ANYONE to (not) create certain characters.

Or, in other words so you might understand because you lack reason : You pay for what they offer not for what you want them to offer.

 

[psycohunter96]

So guys what are the chances we get to 8 months without an update, wanna make some bets and speculations for the fun of it

 

[Patchez]

So guys what are the chances we get to 8 months without an update, wanna make some bets and speculations for the fun of it

Sure, bet is: Does staff mark it abandoned before we get a new update.

 

[BloatingRanger]

Sure, bet is: Does staff mark it abandoned before we get a new update.

did staff mark Scammy City as abandoned?

So guys what are the chances we get to 8 months without an update, wanna make some bets and speculations for the fun of it

Best case scenario, they release the update next week (probably towards the end, because there were a couple of months when they released it between the 1st and 10th of the month). Worst case scenario, they release the update around christmas as a "christmas gift". If we're to meet in the middle, end of next month because I'm sure even they don't want to work on the game during the holidays, and I'm not sure just how patient the average supporter is so maybe they can't come up with an excuse to delay the update even further into the next year.

 

[Patchez]

did staff mark Scammy City as abandoned?

Don't want to

 

[psycohunter96]

did staff mark Scammy City as abandoned?

Best case scenario, they release the update next week (probably towards the end, because there were a couple of months when they released it between the 1st and 10th of the month). Worst case scenario, they release the update around christmas as a "christmas gift". If we're to meet in the middle, end of next month because I'm sure even they don't want to work on the game during the holidays, and I'm not sure just how patient the average supporter is so maybe they can't come up with an excuse to delay the update even further into the next year.

i mean you arent wrong in those thoughts friend. Their patreons pay 8 months for 0 updates i think patience is their main trait. How many original scenes you believe we are gonna get (the low quality scenes of the last update dont count as scenes they are a bad joke and a mockery to their patreons)

 

[psycohunter96]

Sure, bet is: Does staff mark it abandoned before we get a new update.

what are the rquirments to get the abandoned tag?

 

[BloatingRanger]

i mean you arent wrong in those thoughts friend. Their patreons pay 8 months for 0 updates i think patience is their main trait. How many original scenes you believe we are gonna get (the low quality scenes of the last update dont count as scenes they are a bad joke and a mockery to their patreons)

From memory alone, I think they mentioned 2 scenes with a lot of variations (whatever they consider to be a lot remains to be seen; them being one with Neve and an orc, then one including Vehlis and whoever else), plus some repeatable scenes (that they didn't mention anything about, unless they said something on discord), then they mentioned a quest involving Avion so I'm hoping for a scene with him and Sabia. Other than that is just wishful thinking, but another scene with Lutvrog and Sabia would be neat, and another with Rokgrid and Sabia. Would be great to have Sabia back in the tents but probably it's not the time for it yet story wise. I feel like Jadk is going to be the Shack Guy of KoD and he'll only get to bang Sabia right at the end, so there's no point even thinking about him.

 

[Patchez]

what are the rquirments to get the abandoned tag?

technically 3 months without progress or dev saying it's abandoned, but it's much more difficult than that

 

[Sevatar88]

From memory alone, I think they mentioned 2 scenes with a lot of variations (whatever they consider to be a lot remains to be seen; them being one with Neve and an orc, then one including Vehlis and whoever else), plus some repeatable scenes (that they didn't mention anything about, unless they said something on discord), then they mentioned a quest involving Avion so I'm hoping for a scene with him and Sabia. Other than that is just wishful thinking, but another scene with Lutvrog and Sabia would be neat, and another with Rokgrid and Sabia. Would be great to have Sabia back in the tents but probably it's not the time for it yet story wise. I feel like Jadk is going to be the Shack Guy of KoD and he'll only get to bang Sabia right at the end, so there's no point even thinking about him.

I wonder if we will finally see Vehlis get gang banged by Orcs. They seem to have hinted toward that with most of the Bonus Scenes featuring her.

 

[TheBigWater]

I don't even remember who was who in this game.. It's so long without an update

 

[psycohunter96]

From memory alone, I think they mentioned 2 scenes with a lot of variations (whatever they consider to be a lot remains to be seen; them being one with Neve and an orc, then one including Vehlis and whoever else), plus some repeatable scenes (that they didn't mention anything about, unless they said something on discord), then they mentioned a quest involving Avion so I'm hoping for a scene with him and Sabia. Other than that is just wishful thinking, but another scene with Lutvrog and Sabia would be neat, and another with Rokgrid and Sabia. Would be great to have Sabia back in the tents but probably it's not the time for it yet story wise. I feel like Jadk is going to be the Shack Guy of KoD and he'll only get to bang Sabia right at the end, so there's no point even thinking about him.

it has been almost 8 fucking months without an actuall update. I think there should be 14+ new scenes there is no excuse for less 8 months is a realy long time

 

[Jinsoyun]

Well, in the last update they said: " We're also working on the last quest for 0.11 - a quest involving Avion and Kira. We'll give you a bit more info about that when it's closer to being done. " and as far as i know they haven't said anything about it yet. So we are still waiting for a comment about how this last quest is going and then another post about the release date in a good case. So nothing in October, and we probably have to wait at least till the middle of November. Then again, i don't have a good track record of guessing the release dates.

 

[FireSauner0]

You, good sir, are incredibly dense.

Yes, they sell a product in form of entertainment software, but where exactly does any "law" exist that states "There can't be more than X amount of female/male sidecharacters in your porn game", are you high?

They can make the game female character exclusive and remove all existing male characters for all you could care, or hell, they could even scrap Sabia as a whole and make it purely based on sidecharacters. You have no say in what content makes it in their game. If the leadartist, who is also the project founder, prefers to draw female characters over male characters, that should be reason enough for you. In fact, they could do it just because they can and that's something you would have to accept.

They have no obligation to ANYONE to (not) create certain characters.

Or, in other words so you might understand because you lack reason : You pay for what they offer not for what you want them to offer.

I don't even want to count the fallacies in your argument. All that just to insult a person.
First of all they didn't ever mention obligations OR laws in their post whatsoever. You built a strawman based on one sentence.

You are right they CAN make anything they want, but there is a reason they won't simply do that. I believe that is what Baneini wanted to point out with their post. They won't just make something because they prefer only to make that. That would be a terrible business decision. This is still a Patreon project, and they have a core audience, and a concept that drew them in in the first place. While that isn't set in stone, they can't simply deviate from it without losing support*. Patrons also often get to influence the product they support, so what they offer isn't set in stone either.

*(That said, I don't claim to see into the developer's minds, so I don't actually know what they prefer to make. Just by making a new character, they aren't exactly breaking their own rules. The game is still largely the same, regardless of the new character's gender)

Edit: I copied the wrong name

 

[EpicReee]

With all due respect, they have gone against their Patrons suggestions numerous times purely based on their own preferances, they also have stopped communicating for months on months at a time, losing Patrons in the process. While yes, Patreon IS a business model and Hreinn games IS a business, they certainly don't act like one and I'd believe they also don't want to treat it as one. Maybe because once you start treating something as a business rather than a hobby, most of the creativity and fun is down the shitter, since it's now all about quotas and meeting expectations rather than doing what you prefer to do and it shows in the game. Or maybe because they simply don't want to, in any case Nomo sure as hell doesn't.

First of all they didn't ever mention obligations OR laws in their post whatsoever. You built a strawman based on one sentence.

No, they didn't mention that and I never claimed they did. They were implying that purely based on the fact that they are making money off of it that they are obligated to do what the customers want and that simply is just not the case.

They won't just make something because they prefer only to make that. That would be a terrible business decision.

They certainly do, as is evident by the past year. As for a terrible business decision, read the above chunk of text.

Patrons also often get to influence the product they support, so what they offer isn't set in stone either.

Influencing a project via suggestions and polls provided by the dev are vastly different from "I PAY YOU, SO START MAKING WHAT I WANT TO SEE IN THE GAME RIGHT NOW AND STOP DOING X".


(Edit : Don't get me wrong, I stopped agreeing with their development once the updates went from "Bi-monthly with 4-5 new high quality scenes" to "5 month with 2 new low quality repeatable scenes". But I just wanted to make clear that, even if they are a business, they can and certainly do whatever they want with their game. Oh yeah, and look at us talking about business decisions in a thread about a porn game, let's just stop that real quick xd.)

 

[FireSauner0]

With all due respect, they have gone against their Patrons suggestions numerous times purely based on their own preferances, they also have stopped communicating for months on months at a time, losing Patrons in the process. While yes, Patreon IS a business model and Hreinn games IS a business, they certainly don't act like one and I'd believe they also don't want to treat it as one. Maybe because once you start treating something as a business rather than a hobby, most of the creativity and fun is down the shitter, since it's now all about quotas and meeting expectations rather than doing what you prefer to do and it shows in the game. Or maybe because they simply don't want to, in any case Nomo sure as hell doesn't.

No, they didn't mention that and I never claimed they did. They were implying that purely based on the fact that they are making money off of it that they are obligated to do what the customers want and that simply is just not the case.

They certainly do, as is evident by the past year. As for a terrible business decision, read the above chunk of text.

Influencing a project via suggestions and polls provided by the dev are vastly different from "I PAY YOU, SO START MAKING WHAT I WANT TO SEE IN THE GAME RIGHT NOW AND STOP DOING X".

(Edit : Don't get me wrong, I stopped agreeing with their development once the updates went from "Bi-monthly with 4-5 new high quality scenes" to "5 month with 2 new low quality repeatable scenes". But I just wanted to make clear that, even if they are a business, they can and certainly do whatever they want with their game. Oh yeah, and look at us talking about business decisions in a thread about a porn game, let's just stop that real quick xd.)

Well, we can agree on the fact that they haven't been taking it as seriously as their monthy payment would suggest (a couple of months ago when they had more patrons this sentence would have made more sense). I don't think they call or called it a hobby at all, but I can't claim to know them well enough.

Not all decisions in favor of their creative ideas and preferences are terrible business decisions. The VAST majority of them are absolutely in line with the original idea, these decisions havn't been the reason people (including me) have been giving up on the game. They can owe that to not making significant progress for over a year now.

That is why I still stand by the fact that nobody demanded anything from here to warrant that kind of response. I've seen people voicing their dislike for a character concept, but I sure as hell haven't seen a ,,YOU HAVE TO MAKE THIS, NOT THAT" comment.

The porn industry is huge (and while the game side is fairly niche, it is growing still), so discrediting it as ,,not worth having a serious discussion about" is absurd in my mind. This entire forum is about pirating these games among other things.

Otherwise, I can agree with what you are saying, i just felt it was a bit one sided in the original.

 

[EpicReee]

That is why I still stand by the fact that nobody demanded anything from here to warrant that kind of response. I've seen people voicing their dislike for a character concept, but I sure as hell haven't seen a ,,YOU HAVE TO MAKE THIS, NOT THAT" comment.

The guy I originally replied to responded to a comment saying that the reason why there's more focus on side-characters and especially on female side-characters is because Nomo prefers to draw women over men, as is evident by the huge amount of them. The guy I replied to claimed that this was a shit argument because they are making money off of it, which my entire reply was meant to tell him "That's not how this works". Nomo is free to draw whatever character he likes in any quantity he likes and the fact they make money off of it doesn't change that, that was my point in the original reply.

 

[pinkscott]

did staff mark Scammy City as abandoned?

Best case scenario, they release the update next week (probably towards the end, because there were a couple of months when they released it between the 1st and 10th of the month). Worst case scenario, they release the update around christmas as a "christmas gift". If we're to meet in the middle, end of next month because I'm sure even they don't want to work on the game during the holidays, and I'm not sure just how patient the average supporter is so maybe they can't come up with an excuse to delay the update even further into the next year.

Nah the update aint next week, they haven't sent out their "our update is finished and we are now bugtesting" notice. Which means from the time we get that notice add about two weeks.

 

[kobak]

Nah the update aint next week, they haven't sent out their "our update is finished and we are now bugtesting" notice. Which means from the time we get that notice add about two weeks.

...and 1 more quest without art, which we will bring up in another 2 months

 

[Filippa2000]

Imagine if some guys grouped up as top donators and requested only fatbastard NTR haha