VN Ren'Py Abandoned Kingdom of Deception [v0.14.2.2] [Hreinn Games]

[nyqz]

i know it might have something to do with the story but i must say having an orc smith and a traveling sales team in the town how the hell cant you but better swords or armor for your orcs?

tbh the reason is probably just that the battle system proved to be a huge amount of work and nobody seemed to like it. They haven't given any of those systems any attention for years.

 

[Gabriele D'Annunzio]

is the cg rip up to date?

 

[AlienBreeder]

Thank you, but i didn't mean Bris finding out that Sabia is the dancer. That could be annoying to Sabia, but well, the orcs finding out that the hottest human in the camp is the hottest human in the camp is not a real leverage.

Check the second scene in the sub route with Bris in Sabia's tent. Both Bris and the orcs talk about Sabia being a noble, so Bris found out her _real_ idenity, not the dancer one. I know that in the conversation just before this scene Bris tells Sabia that she knows who she is, but i can't find moment when she figured it out.

Ah, my apologies for the mix up - Dante477 seems to have the right of it.

However, an argument for inference can be made on Bris' behalf: I'm not sure where exactly - might've been with the human traders on a quest for Vehlis - but at some point outside of the camp it get's mentioned that a Dufuor / Dufour daughter was killed in the area, so it could be said that Sabia's 'death', even without her name specifically being mentioned, is not uncommon knowledge.
Bris puts things together - time of arrival, her demeanour, hair (though not necessarily) - and her identity is uncovered. Made easier at any point by asking a person who would know, 'what was this noble's first name?'

Though I doubt the head cat girl has many days off to pop into town, although she did lead the caravans, which could very feasibly be trading with Grog ok Dar.

Mind you this is all speculation and conjecture, and even as I write it it does sound a little far-fetched.

But yeah: although I have an older version that funks out due to image conflicts at that point, it is not made clear how Bris comes about this vital piece of information.

Another possibility: working in the tents - much ado has been made about them being a source of information - an orc could have mentioned the original raid- oh wait no, they didn't know who she was either. Never mind!

(Actually come to think of it, I wonder what in the capital or thereabouts, was being said about it? Her mother and sister were behind the attack, but surely someone wondered about their daughter/sister and potential war hero being killed off by orcs/ went walkabout near orcs and the lack of punitive measures being taken - something I quite easily imagine the ladies would do. Crap, now I've outhought meself: either one of them could say that she was on a secret mission or an extent patrol. Or anything. I'm gonna stop writing now and press send.)

 

[heehatatt]

so patreon is looking kinda dead in terms of updates, are hreinn active in their discord server, or is it just as dead there?

 

[souldead341]

so patreon is looking kinda dead in terms of updates, are hreinn active in their discord server, or is it just as dead there?

So, it's business as usual on their patreon. There's basically never anything posted there.

 

[CourierNPC]

Ah, my apologies for the mix up - Dante477 seems to have the right of it.

However, an argument for inference can be made on Bris' behalf: I'm not sure where exactly - might've been with the human traders on a quest for Vehlis - but at some point outside of the camp it get's mentioned that a Dufuor / Dufour daughter was killed in the area, so it could be said that Sabia's 'death', even without her name specifically being mentioned, is not uncommon knowledge.
Bris puts things together - time of arrival, her demeanour, hair (though not necessarily) - and her identity is uncovered. Made easier at any point by asking a person who would know, 'what was this noble's first name?'

Though I doubt the head cat girl has many days off to pop into town, although she did lead the caravans, which could very feasibly be trading with Grog ok Dar.

Mind you this is all speculation and conjecture, and even as I write it it does sound a little far-fetched.

But yeah: although I have an older version that funks out due to image conflicts at that point, it is not made clear how Bris comes about this vital piece of information.

Another possibility: working in the tents - much ado has been made about them being a source of information - an orc could have mentioned the original raid- oh wait no, they didn't know who she was either. Never mind!

(Actually come to think of it, I wonder what in the capital or thereabouts, was being said about it? Her mother and sister were behind the attack, but surely someone wondered about their daughter/sister and potential war hero being killed off by orcs/ went walkabout near orcs and the lack of punitive measures being taken - something I quite easily imagine the ladies would do. Crap, now I've outhought meself: either one of them could say that she was on a secret mission or an extent patrol. Or anything. I'm gonna stop writing now and press send.)

I don't know if this has been discussed or mentioned or shall we say... theorized, I think Neve is somewhat a mix between Private Investigator and Double Agent. She practically knew most of the things (one example being the location of the "ruins" Sabia's patrol was at turned out to be a flytrap), she dismisses most of the questions Sabia had to avoid getting exposed, likes to control people, and she knew the right time and place of where she should intervene, help, and being fun all around. How she speaks also influences how she behaves around people, especially Sabia. Neve is at least seductively neutral judging by how her dialogues went (of course, by being a "neutral observer" as she describes herself early in the game). Also, Neve avoids Tekrok right off the bat if Sabia decided to side with him.

I think when Sabia is not around Grok og Dar (and of course, after the capture of the Catgirls), Neve spreads around some information to Bris in some way, or maybe Bris knew Sabia beforehand from previous encounters not mentioned in the game nor by direct reference from the characters present at the current state of affairs.

I might be on some tangent here but by being neutral to all things that happened to Sabia and the change of the Grok og Dar Tribe, Neve can spread information without having anyone knows how and who leaks it.

In short: Neve is akin to Big Smoke or Gary Smith (from Bully) in a way. She's always been there for Sabia and not reluctant to help, she had knowledge of all sorts of things while keeping her personal business to herself.

Who knows? I'm just giving my two cents. Correct me if I'm wrong on some accounts.

 

[CourierNPC]

so patreon is looking kinda dead in terms of updates, are hreinn active in their discord server, or is it just as dead there?

If Patreon isn't active for a very long time, that's just how Hreinn works. Dunno about the Discord server, though.

 

[CourierNPC]

getting prety far in to the game now (by the looks of it) and stillh ave the rusty sword any way to get a new sword ? no one seems to sell anything yet. especially seeing as missions of main story attacking is not doing anything anymore xd just to put it in perspective. after doing all and buying all the best i have is. rusty sword and heavy leather armor at level 7 not nearly doing enough damage. all training i can do is i am in top form so that does nothing anymore.

Work in the Bar to get "Silver Sword" and when the groping scene happened, let it slide until some of your Orc allies killed the "rowdy boys" and you'll get an "Orc Axe."

 

[Brother Penetrātus]

If Patreon isn't active for a very long time, that's just how Hreinn works. Dunno about the Discord server, though.

Their communication on their Discord server mainly consists of the following words:

When, delay, maybe, future, possibly, later, not sure, if, soon, longer as expected, etc...

(I'm not joking.)

 

[CourierNPC]

Their communication on their Discord server mainly consists of the following words:

When, delay, maybe, future, possibly, later, not sure, if, soon, longer as expected, etc...

(I'm not joking.)

Even if you intend to be joking, that's the truth we've seen so far, right?

 

[Jinsoyun]

Ah, my apologies for the mix up - Dante477 seems to have the right of it.

However, an argument for inference can be made on Bris' behalf: I'm not sure where exactly - might've been with the human traders on a quest for Vehlis - but at some point outside of the camp it get's mentioned that a Dufuor / Dufour daughter was killed in the area, so it could be said that Sabia's 'death', even without her name specifically being mentioned, is not uncommon knowledge.
Bris puts things together - time of arrival, her demeanour, hair (though not necessarily) - and her identity is uncovered. Made easier at any point by asking a person who would know, 'what was this noble's first name?'

Though I doubt the head cat girl has many days off to pop into town, although she did lead the caravans, which could very feasibly be trading with Grog ok Dar.

Mind you this is all speculation and conjecture, and even as I write it it does sound a little far-fetched.

But yeah: although I have an older version that funks out due to image conflicts at that point, it is not made clear how Bris comes about this vital piece of information.

Another possibility: working in the tents - much ado has been made about them being a source of information - an orc could have mentioned the original raid- oh wait no, they didn't know who she was either. Never mind!

(Actually come to think of it, I wonder what in the capital or thereabouts, was being said about it? Her mother and sister were behind the attack, but surely someone wondered about their daughter/sister and potential war hero being killed off by orcs/ went walkabout near orcs and the lack of punitive measures being taken - something I quite easily imagine the ladies would do. Crap, now I've outhought meself: either one of them could say that she was on a secret mission or an extent patrol. Or anything. I'm gonna stop writing now and press send.)

Exactly this.

Sabia has been giving out her name carelessly since day one to dozens of people, which recently included even some thugs who apparently worked for her childhood rival, Jasmine. So there are dozens of ways to explain how and why Bris found out her real identity. And this could be turned into a nice little mission too. Finding out how Bris got the information and tracking down the source could even lead to some way for Sabia to blackmail Bris right back.

It can be solved a lot of ways, i was just surprised how this turn of events came out of nowhere.

 

[CourierNPC]

i was just surprised how this turn of events came out of nowhere

It caught me off guard, too! Maybe the writer is testing out the waters to see if can make the cut to fit Sierra's shoes in terms of storytelling. This whole theory about Bris caught my interest.

This is really a turn of events, of some sort, for both Kingdom of Deception and Hreinn. Perhaps.

 

[CourierNPC]

some way for Sabia to blackmail Bris right back

One of the simplest yet crude methods: Tell the Orcs to call her Fluffy. She really doesn't like to be called Fluffy when she spoke with Elmy at the bar and Sabia (depending on the players' choice) decided to eavesdrop on them.

Don't know if that's powerful enough to keep Bris on the leash, but at least Sabia can use the nickname for a while.

 

[kailina55]

Figured I'd check in since it's been around 3 months since the last update... anyone on their discord heard anything about when to expect the next soonish faster update? Based off the last changelog it sounded like we wouldn't have to wait as long. (hope dies last) "Sadly while the art is done for scenes that had Neve, Flufftooth and more of what you will find in this update, we didn't get to add them here, so expect them soonish in the next faster update, since we didn't want to just rush them in and not give them a nice setting and writing. "

 

[Dante477]

Exactly this.

Sabia has been giving out her name carelessly since day one to dozens of people, which recently included even some thugs who apparently worked for her childhood rival, Jasmine. So there are dozens of ways to explain how and why Bris found out her real identity. And this could be turned into a nice little mission too. Finding out how Bris got the information and tracking down the source could even lead to some way for Sabia to blackmail Bris right back.

It can be solved a lot of ways, i was just surprised how this turn of events came out of nowhere.

I agree with you there, especially with the thugs who work with Jasmine, but I also think that was intentional from the writer. He wants Sabia to make careless mistakes, but those small mistakes may lead to major consequences in the future. (Especially with Jasmine.)

As for how Bris managed to find out Sabia's identity, here's my theory; Bris stated that she was "Told" the information that means she had a contact, but who is this contact who laid out to her the information? I think it was Neve, think about it for a minute, Bris isn't smart enough to uncover it by herself, the Cat-girls aren't welcomed in the human towns and no one knows in the Orc camp besides Vehils. So that leaves Neve as the culprit, and for the right price, she won't mind sharing this little information with Bris. Neve is a shady character, and just like CourierNPC said perfectly in an earlier post, she's like Big Smoke or Gary Smith (from Bully.)

In conclusion, this is how I think it worked out, but of course I could be wrong and things might be the complete opposite in the future, but we will see.

 

[Dante477]

One of the simplest yet crude methods: Tell the Orcs to call her Fluffy. She really doesn't like to be called Fluffy when she spoke with Elmy at the bar and Sabia (depending on the players' choice) decided to eavesdrop on them.

Don't know if that's powerful enough to keep Bris on the leash, but at least Sabia can use the nickname for a while.

I don't think it's powerful enough to give Sabia a real leverage over Bris, But I do think Dom Sabia might use it for her advantage. Just like how Bris keeps insulting Sabia in the Sub route by calling her a Fuck Pig, Dom Sabia might insult and humiliate Bris futher by calling her Fluffy.

 

[CourierNPC]

anyone on their discord heard anything about when to expect the next soonish faster update?

Realistically? Next year. When? Don't know.

 

[Jinsoyun]

One of the simplest yet crude methods: Tell the Orcs to call her Fluffy. She really doesn't like to be called Fluffy when she spoke with Elmy at the bar and Sabia (depending on the players' choice) decided to eavesdrop on them.

Don't know if that's powerful enough to keep Bris on the leash, but at least Sabia can use the nickname for a while.

Well, Sabia could accuse the catgirls of spying and suggest to the orcs to either make sure that the catgirls have no stamina left at the end of the day or just be more forceful to them. With this Sabia would throw the argument Bris made back at her: even if Sabia didn't have enough evidence, the orcs wouldn't mind the suggestion and since they are not ready to leave yet the catgirls would just end up more abused if Bris spoke up.

It would be funny in my opinion, since Sabia knows the catgirls are spying. She told them to do so, but if Bris outs her real identity, then a bit of information gathering couldn't make things any worse for Sabia than it already is. Sabia would essentially say that if she is taken down, then the catgirls will suffer with her so Bris' hands would be tied. Maybe literally too.

Simple, short and works. A better story teller than me could turn something like this into a fun scenario.

But it's interesting that both you and Dante477 considered the possibility of Neve being the source so likely. I didn't play the game you mentioned, but i just never thought of this option. I'll definitely play with this thought later.

 

[CourierNPC]

considered the possibility of Neve being the source so likely

I think of it like this:

Neve is someone who happens to favor fun over everything else while keeping her business to herself. Somehow, she happen to find one of the daughters of a very powerful noble family in Lundar who got screwed by her family and a band of rogue Orcs in some backwoods near Sorthyos Lake and is now in the custody of the Grok og Dar Orcish Tribe. While she is working her way up either by manual labor or whoring it out to everything and everyone, she knows that this information is vital to any parties who are interested in knowing Sabia's whereabouts or wanted to make an asset out of her.

With this information in hand, all she needs is either going Big Smoke or going Lance Vance -- keep it to herself for long enough and make her too late to realize that she's being sold out in secret or backstab the woman the moment the opportunity comes. Of course, at the same time, she can choose and prioritize who's got the first taste of the information (for example, with the theories presented above, Bris got this very vital information, despite not knowing who Sabia was in the past).

Also, after the events of "Chaos in the Camp," at first, Kira had no interest in Sabia joining her ranks, but when Neve told Kira that Sabia is not like everyone else (in a way, of course), she gave her another chance and to prove herself by a test of skill and test of cunning to prove her worth in front of everyone, especially Kira.

Other than knowing Sabia's name personally, Neve indirectly knows about her growth and rise in the ranks of the Orcs through (as far as important and religious Orcish events) Membership Ritual, Horned God's Night, Red God's Arena, succeeding in Kentark training, upset the balance of Grok og Dar, capturing the Catgirls, and even humiliate the tribe's shaman in front of everyone and the Chief.

With her being the "neutral observer" of the tribe and lack of interest in Orcish politics, most of the people's suspicion about Neve is reduced significantly and gives her a huge boost of leverage to share information, and she isn't in the camp for most of the time. So only a few guards or occasional passerby knew what she's doing behind the scenes, but probably dismisses it for something else entirely.

Unrelated: I think Neve mentioned that she had a "friend." I wonder who's this "friend" is...

 

[CourierNPC]

Figured I'd check in since it's been around 3 months since the last update... anyone on their discord heard anything about when to expect the next soonish faster update? Based off the last changelog it sounded like we wouldn't have to wait as long. (hope dies last) "Sadly while the art is done for scenes that had Neve, Flufftooth and more of what you will find in this update, we didn't get to add them here, so expect them soonish in the next faster update, since we didn't want to just rush them in and not give them a nice setting and writing. "

Well, I think you got to ask somebody who had access to their Discord server to be sure. As far as I can tell, "soonish in the next faster update" could be, at the very least, between three months to half a year, if I wanted to be a little generous.

Already replied some posts above. Don't mind this one.