HikkiXxX

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I saw the post above and took a quick sec to see if adding some filter to a real bra would help i'm not sure.
I was thinking myself that using a bra is kind inconsisten with the breast position, IMO it should be a bikini to look more natural, with a bra it would need to move the breast slightly up. My mistake also, so, all good bro, looks fine to be a sketch
 
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jefferydomm

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I was thinking myself that using a bra is kind inconsisten with the breast position, IMO it should be a bikini to look more natural, with a bra it would need to move the breast slightly up. My mistake also, so, all good bro, looks fine to be a sketch
I was thinking myself that using a bra is kind inconsisten with the breast position, IMO it should be a bikini to look more natural, with a bra it would need to move the breast slightly up. My mistake also, so, all good bro, looks fine to be a sketch
Yeah as I was making that the thought occurred to me as well. Bras are meant to contain the boobage. While bikinis are merely meant to cover them.
 
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Well, I could be a producer, hell, even a writer but since my english is not perfect I think that's not an option. But I think I would change a lot of things, there are a lot of quests and subquest that are unresolved, and good things that they are not using, like the captains, the hellhound master (sub only, but I think its gonna be a thing next patch) hell, the fucking orc bar have two or three scenes and nothing else. I love the game but mostly of the love is because of Nomo's art, the other parts of the games, are, meh. So, yeah, I see myself trying to produce something around, ty for the message bro
 

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I was thinking myself that using a bra is kind inconsisten with the breast position, IMO it should be a bikini to look more natural, with a bra it would need to move the breast slightly up. My mistake also, so, all good bro, looks fine to be a sketch
Could you post just the file you're using for the bra without any of the game assets? I'd like to have a look at it.
 

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Let me guess after getting her "revenge"
Sabia will be the camp Whore
Or end up being Kira's toy
Or one of the captain's pet
They will come with the same ideas just like previous game..noxian nights was very good game...but this is disappointment
wrong, she will never get revenge and patrons will be slave cows for milking... the only and true ending
 
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Negativpro0

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Feru452ax

Well, I could be a producer, hell, even a writer but since my english is not perfect I think that's not an option. But I think I would change a lot of things, there are a lot of quests and subquest that are unresolved, and good things that they are not using, like the captains, the hellhound master (sub only, but I think its gonna be a thing next patch) hell, the fucking orc bar have two or three scenes and nothing else. I love the game but mostly of the love is because of Nomo's art, the other parts of the games, are, meh. So, yeah, I see myself trying to produce something around, ty for the message bro
All hail our hero.
I do remember there is a guy here who is a writer so you do have more opportunities
 

DreamingAway

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Reading this thread.. I see the major 2 categories of complaints are:

  • Updates have significantly slowed down
  • Art quality has degraded
    • The character's design changed
    • Scenes are only a single still image
    • Art reuse is rampant
Is this the reason that the community has largely turned on the game?
Are there any other hot topic issues people have?

I am very curious where the hate comes from. I often see people criticize the story but they are never specific 'why' the story / writing is bad. Usually they name drop Sierra Lee as the source of this games good writing and leave it at that.

Out of curiosity I sometimes follow up with those posters to see if they've also reviewed or posted in Sierra's other game threads (mainly once ever after which also seems to have gained some community critcism) and I don't usually find anything..

Genuinely curious on people's opinions around this game and why it's garnered so much hatred.
 

Enigmanic

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Reading this thread.. I see the major 2 categories of complaints are:

  • Updates have significantly slowed down
  • Art quality has degraded
    • The character's design changed
    • Scenes are only a single still image
    • Art reuse is rampant
Is this the reason that the community has largely turned on the game?
Are there any other hot topic issues people have?

I am very curious where the hate comes from. I often see people criticize the story but they are never specific 'why' the story / writing is bad. Usually they name drop Sierra Lee as the source of this games good writing and leave it at that.

Out of curiosity I sometimes follow up with those posters to see if they've also reviewed or posted in Sierra's other game threads (mainly once ever after which also seems to have gained some community critcism) and I don't usually find anything..

Genuinely curious on people's opinions around this game and why it's garnered so much hatred.

I follow Sierra Lee in her Discord. Believe me, her writing is a hundred times better than the crap in KoD. After her departure, the writing has been so lazy. The devs don't seem to care about progressing the story in any sensible way. Every quest is just a rapefest with lazy reused art assets and redundant scenarios.

Furthermore, I was a supporter for several years until I got fed up. Nomo refuses to accept constructive criticism and won't even allow people to discuss constructive criticism in Hreinn's Discord. There were plenty of opportunities to get this game back on track but instead the devs have turned it into a dumpster fire.
 

DreamingAway

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After her departure, the writing has been so lazy. The devs don't seem to care about progressing the story in any sensible way. Every quest is just a rapefest with lazy reused art assets and redundant scenarios.

Furthermore, I was a supporter for several years until I got fed up. Nomo refuses to accept constructive criticism and won't even allow people to discuss constructive criticism in Hreinn's Discord. There were plenty of opportunities to get this game back on track but instead the devs have turned it into a dumpster fire.

Why is it lazy?

What constructive criticisms have you raised?
(Is there a post that sums them up? If you already wrote this I don't expect you to write it again, you can just link it.. or point me to it.)

What do you mean every scene is a "rapefest" - how is that different from Noxian Night scenes when you take certain story routes?

What would you consider "back on track" ?
 
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Enigmanic

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Why is it lazy?

What constructive criticisms have you raised?
(Is there a post that sums them up? If you already wrote this I don't expect you to write it again, Link or copy and paste it)

What do you mean every scene is a "rapefest" - how is that different from Noxian Night scenes when you take certain story routes?

What would you consider "back on track" ?
I'll try to answer your questions with the same criticisms I offered Nomo in their discord..
- Before delving deep into this game's development, the story should have been plotted out in advance. You can always add more side content along the way but a professionally made project at least has a plan for the completion of the main story.
- Regarding the lazy writing: The narration is weak and repetitive lacking substance. Nearly every scenario ends in the same linear way. The Dom route is almost non-existent at this point. Every 'quest' involves Sabia getting manhandled and raped, with rare options to let her take control. This also makes Sabia contradictory in nature. She's supposed to be a skilled warrior and a leader but she can't manage through simple negotiations and investigations without getting taken advantage of. Also, the dialog is weak. Other characters often speak not like characters in a medieval-style fantasy world but like modern people sometimes even using modern slang.
- As for getting the game back on track there are a few problem areas that need correcting:
1 - Return the art to the proper quality this game started with and be consistent. While you're at it, keep Sabia's body size consistent. She doesn't need to have massive tits to be sexy.
2 - Improve the narration and lay some proper clues to show that the story is on track. How is Sabia preparing for dealing with Jasmine and Lynn? When will she finally venture out of the Orc region or at least visit the shaman village? When will we finally learn what happened to the warchief?
 

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I'll try to answer your questions with the same criticisms I offered Nomo in their discord..
- Before delving deep into this game's development, the story should have been plotted out in advance. You can always add more side content along the way but a professionally made project at least has a plan for the completion of the main story.
- Regarding the lazy writing: The narration is weak and repetitive lacking substance. Nearly every scenario ends in the same linear way. The Dom route is almost non-existent at this point. Every 'quest' involves Sabia getting manhandled and raped, with rare options to let her take control. This also makes Sabia contradictory in nature. She's supposed to be a skilled warrior and a leader but she can't manage through simple negotiations and investigations without getting taken advantage of. Also, the dialog is weak. Other characters often speak not like characters in a medieval-style fantasy world but like modern people sometimes even using modern slang.
- As for getting the game back on track there are a few problem areas that need correcting:
1 - Return the art to the proper quality this game started with and be consistent. While you're at it, keep Sabia's body size consistent. She doesn't need to have massive tits to be sexy.
2 - Improve the narration and lay some proper clues to show that the story is on track. How is Sabia preparing for dealing with Jasmine and Lynn? When will she finally venture out of the Orc region or at least visit the shaman village? When will we finally learn what happened to the warchief?
This makes a lot of sense. Thanks for the reply.

To sum it up:

- The main story hook introduced at the beginning part of the game has largely been derailed for constant diversions that don't drive the story narration forward. The story and pacing of the game is stagnating.
- The illusion of a dom path feels unrewarding, most content is for the submissive path. (Quantity over Quality, it's not being executed well..?)

I can understand that, can you explain more what you dislike about the "rapey vibe" of the submissive path?

Noxian Nights played with those themes far more aggressively IMO.
That particular point I don't understand.
 

Enigmanic

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This makes a lot of sense. Thanks for the reply.

To sum it up:

- The main story hook introduced at the beginning part of the game has largely been derailed for constant diversions that don't drive the story narration forward. The story and pacing of the game is stagnating.
- The illusion of a dom path feels unrewarding, most content is for the submissive path. (Quantity over Quality, it's not being executed well..?)

I can understand that, can you explain more what you dislike about the "rapey vibe" of the submissive path?

Noxian Nights played with those themes far more aggressively IMO.
That particular point I don't understand.
The main issue is that every quest plays out that way. I don't mind the rape and gangbang stuff in the submissive content. However, I have two main complaints:
1 - A well written porn game should allow the protagonist to take a submissive path that still allows her to make some tangible progress toward her goals.
2- The Dom route feels like it's almost abandoned. These recent quests lack a proper variation where Sabia gets to enjoy some sexy time while maintaining her dignity or at least exercising control over the situation.
 

souldead341

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This makes a lot of sense. Thanks for the reply.

To sum it up:

- The main story hook introduced at the beginning part of the game has largely been derailed for constant diversions that don't drive the story narration forward. The story and pacing of the game is stagnating.
- The illusion of a dom path feels unrewarding, most content is for the submissive path. (Quantity over Quality, it's not being executed well..?)

I can understand that, can you explain more what you dislike about the "rapey vibe" of the submissive path?

Noxian Nights played with those themes far more aggressively IMO.
That particular point I don't understand.
Not the same poster, obviously, but a couple of things.

There's an early scene with the distinct sub / dom path which helps explain the changes with the sub path as well. It's interrogating a human (IIRC related to the trader, but it's been a while). On the Dom path Sabia is in full control during the scene and using being sexually dominant to get what she wants. The sub path of the scene has Sabia basically being a honeytrap, acting submissive during the scene and talking her way into him giving up the information by convincing him she's someone else / harmless.

More recent scenes on the submissive path all basically have Sabia being coerced / tricked / forced into sex, instead of her using sex to get what she wants in a different way. It's basically that every scene in the sub path now would be defined as rape. Sabia kinda feels like she makes no real choices to participate any more. There were some scenes like that early on, but it wasn't all of them.
 

Negativpro0

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Why is it lazy?

What constructive criticisms have you raised?
(Is there a post that sums them up? If you already wrote this I don't expect you to write it again, Link or copy and paste it)

What do you mean every scene is a "rapefest" - how is that different from Noxian Night scenes when you take certain story routes?

What would you consider "back on track" ?
Problem with writing, compared to before is how sense it made in the game, not just the actions, just the way events are introduced. In the first part of the games, when Sierra was still there, story moved on by events, either timed or not. Let me give you some examples.

You start with the Trial of Sabia, you have some options regarding how you proceed, dom or sub, and the three individuals.
All choices you can make have sense. Either stick with the neutral captain, submit to the savage one or the suspiciously friendly to humans, you can even decide to be on your own. You can work hard for a few money, or reluctantly submit to the orcs for the money.
This is an important detail, Sabia does not like sucking orcs dicks, she submits for a reason and later on does the same in other situations, she submits sexually to avoid conflicts, have an easy way. It is a believable scenario.
Now compare it to later scenes, Sabia likes being ordered around and mistreated, this is true for Vehlis who gets raped until she likes it. This fits stuff like doujinshi, but is really different from what was estabilished before.
Submissive Sabia later on is horny and stupid, she acts silly forgets how to behave, from time to time she does not like being mistreated, other times she enjoys it. Player has more control in certain scenarios but her behaviour is inconsistent.

Noxian Night not only had a background for characters becoming more sexual, rape was not something featured many times there. You had rape scenes but mostly was just Riven having fun and there was not a rapey vibes in most scenes when they were fucking with monsters or Riven seducing people, it felt like she was in control almost all of the time. Scenes in the route with Dyuu for example did not have any rapey vibe.

Back on track would mean, in my opinion, going back to what feels like the original route of the game. Sabia explores the places on the maps, eventually visits other orc camps and human settlements and the story progresses from there. Raiding party or not.
At the current moment we should be working with Kira but, not really, we just mind our own business. We were supposed to investigate the Warchief being kidnapped but we are not doing that, we met this Jasmine character, but story has not gone ahead in any meaningful way, we mostly had a buildup.

When Sierra was writing game proceed by events. Catgirl raid caravan, we work on that and resolve it, next event; Horngod celebration we worn on that and resolve, next event; Redgod Arena, we work on that and resolve it, next event.
Grokhnak has not been found out, we have not taken the info we need from Kira, had no direct interaction with Jasmine, we have mostly been fucking around. we got sex scenes yes, mostly recycled CGs, already used in other parts of the game, but the story did not progress. Considering all the patches we received game clearly lost his track.

I hope this was clear. Regarding Nomo artstyle, it speaks for itself, one just needs to compare the pics in the gallery
 

DreamingAway

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1 - A well written porn game should allow the protagonist to take a submissive path that still allows her to make some tangible progress toward her goals.
So your issue with the "Submissive & Rapey" theme in KoD is that it overstays it's welcome and devolves the story, vs Noxian Nights where it was a momentary thing, Riven's whole "I have a goal so whatever happens to me right now is meaningless" attitude - but she remains a fighter who is pushing towards that goal still?

Is that a fair representation of your opinion?


More recent scenes on the submissive path basically have Sabia being coerced / tricked / forced into sex, instead of her using sex to get what she wants in a different way. It's basically that every scene in the sub path now would be defined as rape. Sabia kinda feels like she makes no real choices to participate any more.
Is this a theme you dislike?
Devil's Advocate, there is an audience for this theme too - that doesn't mean it's necessarily bad or a drop in quality.

I would argue this is fairly in line with Noxian Nights..


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Noxian Night not only had a background for characters becoming more sexual, rape was not something featured many times there. You had rape scenes but mostly was just Riven having fun and there was not a rapey vibes in most scenes when they were fucking with monsters or Riven seducing people, it felt like she was in control almost all of the time. Scenes in the route with Dyuu for example did not have any rapey vibe.
I think I understand all your points. Sab's knee jerk change in personality that seems poorly developed and inconsistent vs Riven's more consistent personality and goals I think is a fair criticism.

I think you underplay the Non-Con events in Noxian Nights though.
House Owner / Castor Ending / Kat & Minotaurs / Losing almost any non-boss battle.

Do you generally dislike "Non-Con" in games that offer submissive characters? So the less it has, the better?
 
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