I know there is an audience for this theme. It is one of the reasons for why Nomo and Sierra split up, it is confirmed by her community too. It is a drop in quality since while it pleaseas some it does not fit the story the way it was estabilished before
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I don't understand that though. Noxian Nights heavily featured it.
Wasn't the original beginning of the game a "Non-Con" orc scene? Was that axed because of Nomo, Sierra or Patreon?
That was the chosen beginning of the game while Sierra was working on it - right?
EDIT:
Maybe I am misremembering KoD.. but I don't feel like Non-Con is really featured that much more than NN did..
It depends a lot on how it's written ,and the relative number of that type of scenes for me. I added an edit to my post, but early on there was a mix of both the honeytrap or fully willing scenes with the rape ones. I know there's a market for all types of scenes, and if it was what the game was originally advertised as I wouldn't care. But the game was pitched as RPG where you get to choose sub vs dom routes.
Early Sabia was a good fighter and capable of leading military groups on campaign. She's pushed into a situation where she's basically forced to attempt to work with a group that was her enemies throughout her military campaigns. She can choose to use sex in various ways to get what she wants / needs, and yes can get raped if she messes up. She's politically canny enough to recognize both the her disadvantages, and what advantages she can use to get what she wants.
Current Sabia (especially in the submissive side, which I did most of my playthroughs on) basically is constantly getting tricked in nearly every political / negotiation type scene she's in. There's basically none of the early on cunning in the scenes. That's the drop in quality, not the type of scenes themselves (though IMO earlier scenes were better written), but the story surrounding how those scenes come about.
NN was always pretty consistent in how it presented the sex scenes. There was a fairly consistent advancement from being reluctant about sex to being desperate for it. Most of the scenes felt like there was at least some willingness on the character's part. And it was also what was advertised from the beginning: Riven is stuck in a town that has a lust aura going on, is weakened and starts to get slutty.
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Nomo decided to cut that scene so the game wouldn't start with Sabia getting raped. This would have raised a flag with Patreon. Furthermore, Sierra wanted the story to progress a little before Sabia gets raped so that the player doesn't feel shoe-horned into following the Sub path.I don't understand that though. Noxian Nights heavily featured it.
Wasn't the original beginning of the game a "Non-Con" orc scene? Was that axed because of Nomo, Sierra or Patreon?
That was the chosen beginning of the game while Sierra was working on it - right?
EDIT:
Maybe I am misremembering KoD.. but I don't feel like Non-Con is really featured that much more than NN did..
I would add that the Submissive content should include a mix of two types of scenes.
- scenes where she gets tricked or duped or otherwise taken advantage of and used sexually.
- scenes where she uses sex to get what she wants while letting the men have their way with her.
There should be a mix of those types of scenes along the Sub path instead of Sabia just always getting tricked and raped.
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This helps me understand much better.
Thanks for taking the time to respond to me.
There are non consent scenes in NN, but of different nature. NN starts with the old guy blackmailing you, yes but it does not have the rapey vibe of multiple scenes in the game. Regarding my personal preference i am probably the last one who should complain, i am not a fan of rapey and non con scenarios, i enjoy Sabia being submissive and willingly letting herself be treated bad, But my favourite scene is the one with Lutvrog Neve and Sabia. I believe this is something the game offers that not many others do, Catgirls humans orcs and elves all fucking around is something nice. There are not many scenes in the game featuring 3 people from 3 different races having sex i like most of them.I don't understand that though. Noxian Nights heavily featured it.
Wasn't the original beginning of the game a "Non-Con" orc scene? Was that axed because of Nomo, Sierra or Patreon?
That was the chosen beginning of the game while Sierra was working on it - right?
EDIT:
Maybe I am misremembering KoD.. but I don't feel like Non-Con is really featured that much more than NN did..
Also thank you for taking the time to read the posts and helping make a constructive exchange of thoughts. Really nice
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I hate to sound so pedantic.. But "different nature" how?
Losing to that zombie in NN is worse than anything I've seen in KoD.
I've learned a lot talking to all of you.. I think you all raise really great points.
Buttttt...
It's really hard for me to rationalize this one particular argument..
Noxian Nights features Non-Con themes throughout the game (I gave examples in the above post).. You can argue the quality, quantity.. but if your saying "Non-Con is okay in NN but not okay in KoD" without saying why - I think it's hard for me resolve that in my head.
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Former patreon here.
For me, it's the dull writing (literally the lines of text they write
), the decreasing art style, all the unfinished storylines which lead to nowhere and last but not least their way of communication which went from inclusive feedback to gorge or die.Development started very well, but has become a sole meme over the past 6 years. Which is btw another point, but I do not even want to start with how much time has passed...
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Former patreon here.
For me, it's the dull writing (literally the lines of text they write
I'll probably crash after this post.
Do you think you can expand on this? What do you hate about the writing?
Was it ever good?
Do they write too much? too little?
What are other games you've played that have better writing?
Do you value quality writing in adult games or not really?
( I commonly see posters on F95 say the story in "adult games" just gets in the way)
Thanks.
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Since this topic started, I already made a kind of re-estructure of the story and some gameplay changes. Its a lot to read BUT, I made this in, idk, an hour? I think this is a good way to shape the story back on track
"Rework of the dom/sub system + More ways to make lundils
The dom/sub number system is kinda forgot, so, we need to use it, but not for achieve hentai scenes in the main or sub quests, the grind of the numbers shouldn't reflect an impact in how good or bad an scene can be. Then, for what do we use it? To relax the main story part of the game, we need something to the player who doesn't want to read today and just want a relaxed jerk off and also to gain lundils in the game. In the Grok og Dar (the orc town) we could use
-Waitress (Tips for some gropping, and eventually sex, nudity, and also include de slutty outfit to the bar)
-Stores (Clothing store, Sabia shows outfit, gets groped, ripped the clothes, etc. For the others stores I need to think more, especifically the equipment store)
-Hellhound kennels (I need to say it? Lol)
-Maid service in the orc's tents (I mean, we already had a barmaid outfit and also repetitive scenes in orc tents, soooo *wink wink*)
-Tents because there is NO FUCKING WAY we can't use this in a porn game, I know originally Sierra think this was a good idea, and as much I respect her as fucking good writter, this is a bad decision
For the human town, for my surprise, there is a LOT of content to do, the slums and the bar already have scenes, but we can do more, as we already now
-Stables (Riven + Kat flashbacks, Sabia + Kat incoming PLEASE NOMO DO IT)
-Temple (Nun, we already saw Sabia as a nun, so, yeah, not a crazy idea)
-Training grounds (Sabia lose=Fuck, no need to complicate things)
Improve the captains influence in the orc town
At this point, Groknar is better dead (It was that his name? Can't even remember) so its time to make the vote about who will be the next leader of the orc town, depending on who will be, the story could warp one way or another
-Rockgrid -> We wil go to explore more human towns (Carchedon, we could continue the route of Barrin, influence in the Lundarian towns)
-Dajrab -> This option is, kinda complicated to schedule, I want to make it more of a free roam style but... I have already decided the free roam route, so, I thinked this route as a orc centred route, with the shamans with more influence than Dajrab itself, were we could see the impact of the Ornshaktar alliance or Ylva, it depending on your choices, with this I'm not saying that the routes of Rockgrid or Tekrok won't have shamans influence, just that THIS especifically route would have the shamans pushing for power as they see Dajrab a neutral leader, with no powerful allies except Sabia.
-Tekrok -> Ah, the CAOS option, with this one we will explore everything besides Lundar, we will prepare the scenario of a WAR. We will visit Catgirls campaments around the lands, to the Elves tribes and, of fuckign course, we will see the minotaurs, Naltan, where they have human slaves, yeah, this will be a FANTASTIC choice for Subia
-Sabia -> Well, this is a route than Sabia ALWAYS should be able to choose, why? Even if she takes the sub path, SHE IS A COMMANDER, fuck, she is the daugther of a powerfull mage and a fucking general of the army, the girl has it, she can liderate orcs, we already saw that when she trained her troops, well, now we can make it better with town management, where do you want more influence? Tents? Bar? Training Grounds? Who will you choose to be your allies? The captains who want power now that YOU are their leader? Neve? Jadk? This will be the literally description of free will, you can negotiate with force or sex, use your influence to win money, power or get laid, negotiate with foreign lands, try to make your allies and liderate this little orc town to get revenge or to find answers, as I said, is the player choice.
With this schedule, you can pretty much advance in the main quest to almost the finale, you can always put one or two sub quest to this advance but you need to see where the story is going to star moving to SOMEWHERE. As always, feedback is always welcome, in any way, if you say is shit, its okay, I won't be mad, if you want to change, contribute in something, always welcome and if you think its fantastic/good/awesome, then thank you very much"
"Rework of the dom/sub system + More ways to make lundils
The dom/sub number system is kinda forgot, so, we need to use it, but not for achieve hentai scenes in the main or sub quests, the grind of the numbers shouldn't reflect an impact in how good or bad an scene can be. Then, for what do we use it? To relax the main story part of the game, we need something to the player who doesn't want to read today and just want a relaxed jerk off and also to gain lundils in the game. In the Grok og Dar (the orc town) we could use
-Waitress (Tips for some gropping, and eventually sex, nudity, and also include de slutty outfit to the bar)
-Stores (Clothing store, Sabia shows outfit, gets groped, ripped the clothes, etc. For the others stores I need to think more, especifically the equipment store)
-Hellhound kennels (I need to say it? Lol)
-Maid service in the orc's tents (I mean, we already had a barmaid outfit and also repetitive scenes in orc tents, soooo *wink wink*)
-Tents because there is NO FUCKING WAY we can't use this in a porn game, I know originally Sierra think this was a good idea, and as much I respect her as fucking good writter, this is a bad decision
For the human town, for my surprise, there is a LOT of content to do, the slums and the bar already have scenes, but we can do more, as we already now
-Stables (Riven + Kat flashbacks, Sabia + Kat incoming PLEASE NOMO DO IT)
-Temple (Nun, we already saw Sabia as a nun, so, yeah, not a crazy idea)
-Training grounds (Sabia lose=Fuck, no need to complicate things)
Improve the captains influence in the orc town
At this point, Groknar is better dead (It was that his name? Can't even remember) so its time to make the vote about who will be the next leader of the orc town, depending on who will be, the story could warp one way or another
-Rockgrid -> We wil go to explore more human towns (Carchedon, we could continue the route of Barrin, influence in the Lundarian towns)
-Dajrab -> This option is, kinda complicated to schedule, I want to make it more of a free roam style but... I have already decided the free roam route, so, I thinked this route as a orc centred route, with the shamans with more influence than Dajrab itself, were we could see the impact of the Ornshaktar alliance or Ylva, it depending on your choices, with this I'm not saying that the routes of Rockgrid or Tekrok won't have shamans influence, just that THIS especifically route would have the shamans pushing for power as they see Dajrab a neutral leader, with no powerful allies except Sabia.
-Tekrok -> Ah, the CAOS option, with this one we will explore everything besides Lundar, we will prepare the scenario of a WAR. We will visit Catgirls campaments around the lands, to the Elves tribes and, of fuckign course, we will see the minotaurs, Naltan, where they have human slaves, yeah, this will be a FANTASTIC choice for Subia
-Sabia -> Well, this is a route than Sabia ALWAYS should be able to choose, why? Even if she takes the sub path, SHE IS A COMMANDER, fuck, she is the daugther of a powerfull mage and a fucking general of the army, the girl has it, she can liderate orcs, we already saw that when she trained her troops, well, now we can make it better with town management, where do you want more influence? Tents? Bar? Training Grounds? Who will you choose to be your allies? The captains who want power now that YOU are their leader? Neve? Jadk? This will be the literally description of free will, you can negotiate with force or sex, use your influence to win money, power or get laid, negotiate with foreign lands, try to make your allies and liderate this little orc town to get revenge or to find answers, as I said, is the player choice.
With this schedule, you can pretty much advance in the main quest to almost the finale, you can always put one or two sub quest to this advance but you need to see where the story is going to star moving to SOMEWHERE. As always, feedback is always welcome, in any way, if you say is shit, its okay, I won't be mad, if you want to change, contribute in something, always welcome and if you think its fantastic/good/awesome, then thank you very much"
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Oh I don't hate their writing, it just became so bad over the past years that by now it's irrelevant if you read all lines or skip most of them. And with bad I mean uninspired, boring and in some cases even illogical or just plain dumb.
Was it ever good? - Yes
Do they write too much? too little? - Yes
What are other games you've played that have better writing? - Games by SierraLee or Akabur for example.
Do you value quality writing in adult games or not really?
( I commonly see posters on F95 say the story in "adult games" just gets in the way)
It depends. Of course there are plenty of games where the story is just there to set the theme and they are fine the way they are,
because they focus on what they want to achieve. But for me, a game has to be more than just a variety of different pics. The rule34 sites have literally hundreds of thousands of pics so I don't need a game to spice up my imagination. What I want is stories and characters, in a self-contained world that is believable in their own sets of rules.
An exaggerated example: Jacksons Lord of the Rings works, The Rings of Power............. not.
Was it ever good? - Yes
Do they write too much? too little? - Yes
What are other games you've played that have better writing? - Games by SierraLee or Akabur for example.
Do you value quality writing in adult games or not really?
( I commonly see posters on F95 say the story in "adult games" just gets in the way)
It depends. Of course there are plenty of games where the story is just there to set the theme and they are fine the way they are,
because they focus on what they want to achieve. But for me, a game has to be more than just a variety of different pics. The rule34 sites have literally hundreds of thousands of pics so I don't need a game to spice up my imagination. What I want is stories and characters, in a self-contained world that is believable in their own sets of rules.
An exaggerated example: Jacksons Lord of the Rings works, The Rings of Power............. not.
I often find something to be displeased about with each update, but with the "latest" one I am most pissed off at the dev for them checking off Ylva's quest as "finished". No it fucking hasn't been finished, you can't just tease Ylva's and Ornshakar's confrontation like that and just hold it off for another three years. You want to focus on ending quests, alright, but don't end one on a fucking CLIFFHANGER and say "ight this quest's done, let's get on to another one"
Also yes, I do play Subia under Ornshakar's influence and wanted to see Ylva completely broken, fite me
Also yes, I do play Subia under Ornshakar's influence and wanted to see Ylva completely broken, fite me
The lotr comparison completely out of nowhere does not help my guy. Just mention Princess Trainer from Akabur or Gorepete games.Oh I don't hate their writing, it just became so bad over the past years that by now it's irrelevant if you read all lines or skip most of them. And with bad I mean uninspired, boring and in some cases even illogical or just plain dumb.
Was it ever good? - Yes
Do they write too much? too little? - Yes
What are other games you've played that have better writing? - Games by SierraLee or Akabur for example.
Do you value quality writing in adult games or not really?
( I commonly see posters on F95 say the story in "adult games" just gets in the way)
It depends. Of course there are plenty of games where the story is just there to set the theme and they are fine the way they are,
because they focus on what they want to achieve. But for me, a game has to be more than just a variety of different pics. The rule34 sites have literally hundreds of thousands of pics so I don't need a game to spice up my imagination. What I want is stories and characters, in a self-contained world that is believable in their own sets of rules.
An exaggerated example: Jacksons Lord of the Rings works, The Rings of Power............. not.
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You mean how Orcs accents and language rules change to an extremely blocky text that basically just repeats? "Dul say shut the fuck up cum rag" "Cum rug, Dul say shut the fuck up" Basically that's all the dialogue is anymore. If you look hard enough you'll see more than just the top three posts of people breaking down why the dialogue AND the story has gotten very off track, with ZERO branches... remember you could CHOOSE Dajrab or Independent Sabia and they basically have no real bearing on the story at all. Not to mention... I mean fuck it man I'm not gonna justify why we feel it's bad. Play the beginning segments. Then play the later segments. Everything from feature creep, to pacing, to believability. If the game started by not taking itself seriously, I don't think we would either.
But it did and it presented itself as a really immersive experience for a porn game. Instead it became the anime level ridiculousness that's common in many games like that without the polish.
I love this hand have had some similar thoughts. But I think it's fair to note this: Myself included, people payed Hrein money for a quality product. It began to decline sharply in quality AND IN COMMUNICATION WITH it's customers. When they were offered and are offered constructive criticism it is perceived to be the opposite and ignored.
Why should I contribute to this anymore instead of just go make a porn game myself?