VN Ren'Py Kingdom of Deception [v0.14.2.2] [Hreinn Games]

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ronadan

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DreamingAway said:
This only works if people at scale care more about creativity / storywriting / lewd than $$. :LOL:

My motivation ultimately - was to learn & try new things and give the community something interesting to engage with.
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I respect your resolve, but I'm a bit of a cynic overall. I say we can try creating a thread at least to brainstorm ideas (what we want to do, what's the general story, who are the characters, etc) and then see how people react. just to get enough engagement to know we're not just circle-jerking.

your idea is similar to a lot of chatbot services like character.ai where instead of creating a chatbot from scratch, they provide a platform for their users to create something simple and then interact with it until the ai learns more and develops itself. if they can be successful (which they are), who am I to say yours doesn't have potential? you have the passion to do it and I can get behind that.

fun? absolutely.

is it going to be easy? nope.

is it worth a try? sure.

are we going headfirst into an impending burnout? I... don't know honestly :HideThePain:

also, tho I like your optimism, don't bother with Hreinn games. they're way beyond lacking motivation and the game is basically clinging to life at this point just to make more money for them. if it was a free game it would have been abandoned months ago.
 
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nyqz

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DreamingAway said:
This is not img2img.

I used the left one to generate a openpose rig - then used that rig to generate the right side images..
For those who don't use SD, the left image itself is not used at all to make the right one(s), I only used the left image to generate a skeleton rig which is basically a JSON file of lines that represent bones / fingers that can be used to pose characters, the pixels / original image is then thrown away, it's just a way to copy the pose, not the actual aesthetic.

Noxian Nights sequel? :whistle::coffee:


There are small fixes / clean ups that could be done on the below images..
I was rushing a little because I'm trying to test how well the LORA works..

The goal should be:
- very consistent poses / facial expressions without relying on a crutch like img2img, because ideally you want to create multiple clothing types
- have very deterministic outcomes when you prompt or pose something, you don't want "randomness" coming through your LORA / Model otherwise it makes it very difficult to create assets.


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My art vocabulary probably isn't good enough to give proper feedback, but a few differences stick out
- Nomo's default shading for his female characters tends to be paler with heavy contrast from pink compared to what the ai is spitting out.
- The expressions need to be more pronounced.
- Nomo tends to draw female characters with distinctly pointed and upturned noses which is only sort of present here.
- A lot of nomo's work has 'sketchy' elements or very textured brushes that I think an AI would struggle to imitate.
- The bull skull tattoo would probably need to be manually added to any picture with bare shoulders.

At the moment it seems like this would be better for adding minor elements like new backgrounds rather than new CG. Which could still be useful, you can do a lot just by swapping out a few small elements.
 
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DreamingAway

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ronadan said:
your idea is similar to a lot of chatbot services like character.ai where instead of creating a chatbot from scratch, they provide a platform for their users to create something simple and then interact with it until the ai learns more and develops itself.
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Actually - I stole the idea from Aura-Dev. :WeSmart:
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(In that example, Aura-Dev does all the work.. My master plan is to milk ideas & creativity & free labour from the community - instead of patreon $$)

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If this idea fails, oh well - at least I learned some new things. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
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DreamingAway said:
This only works if people at scale care more about creativity / storywriting / lewd than $$
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If you can make creative, lewd story-writing worth more than $100, why not?

From the last couple of pages, people have shown interest and there'll probably be more in the coming days/weeks/months. I will say that the interaction can fluctuate, you have good days with many uploading their own works/fork and then there's a time when interaction can be at its lowest.

I'd be lying if I didn't see any interest in this little project of yours.
Looking forward to it.
 
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BigBiggieBig

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So I played the 'new' 'update' with the sub route since I saved over my dom route last time.

- Two new scenes with the trader which are just zoomed-in versions of another CG albeit with a shitty edit over the blindfold asset they've used before, the scenes are, as usual, extremely shitty in terms of writing and make about as much sense as Sabia's current housing situation. 2/10, I appreciate the zoom-in efforts.

- A couple of new scenes at the bar/brother where Amelia is, now I can't say I've seen them all, cause the gist is, you need to spam the everliving shit out of the bar-serving activity (I've done a work-sleep cycle about 10 times and I only got one scene) where you piss off NPCs by serving them last, after enough times, they initiate a scene. The scenes are, as one would expect, re-used CGs with different skin colours and more lazy porn dialogue. 1/10, they tried.

Overall, this was totally worth the 8-month wait or however long it's been, thanks, Hreinn!

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Partyboy78

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BigBiggieBig said:
So I played the 'new' 'update' with the sub route since I saved over my dom route last time.

- Two new scenes with the trader which are just zoomed-in versions of another CG albeit with a shitty edit over the blindfold asset they've used before, the scenes are, as usual, extremely shitty in terms of writing and make about as much sense as Sabia's current housing situation. 2/10, I appreciate the zoom-in efforts.

- A couple of new scenes at the bar/brother where Amelia is, now I can't say I've seen them all, cause the gist is, you need to spam the everliving shit out of the bar-serving activity (I've done a work-sleep cycle about 10 times and I only got one scene) where you piss off NPCs by serving them last, after enough times, they initiate a scene. The scenes are, as one would expect, re-used CGs with different skin colours and more lazy porn dialogue. 1/10, they tried.

Overall, this was totally worth the 8-month wait or however long it's been, thanks, Hreinn!

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I figured that was how you initiate the scene, but after constantly spamming it as well, I gave up.
 
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nyqz

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New advertising scenes are...something? I guess? I'm now even more confused why they've avoided having Sabia work in the tents again if they were going to make a bunch of other scenes where she functionally acts exactly the same as a prostitute.

New bar scenes are probably bad, but I haven't seen them yet and probably won't bother installing Jmod to check them out. The whole setup makes literally no sense.
  1. Get asked to help out at bar.
  2. Volunteer to help out at bar many (dozens?) of times for no reason, and for no benefit. Click through half a dozen intermediate screens to go back and forth between sleeping and avarton in order to do this.
  3. Do a deliberately bad job at this every time (despite supposedly volunteering to do this to help a friend?)
  4. Act out of character if you're playing the sub route to get these scenes.
  5. Have no idea if you're actually achieving anything because the game gives you no feedback and at least on of the interactions doesn't make sense and might be bugged.
  6. Profit! Give up and wonder what the fuck they were thinking when they made this.

The single redeeming thing that I can find in this update is that they've finally added three micro repeatable scenes that get randomly picked when you've exhausted the actual scenes for the advertising chain. Why it took them so many updates to implement this and they only bothered to use it for such an irrelevant scene is a mystery. Chances are they'll forget they added this feature anyway by the time we get another update.
 
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sorry for no mac version the sdk that is used for this is old as f....
 
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hi guys can someone guide me to the page, were a installation-description for the bonus pack 1-7 and the bonus pack 12 are postet?? or, are these outdated?
would be awsome
thanx a lot
 
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