VN Ren'Py Abandoned Kingdom of Deception [v0.14.2.2] [Hreinn Games]

[Jinsoyun]

Most likely not. We see this shit happening all the time, it's almost a coin-flip at this point weather a dev is going to go AWOL when they don't feel like working on a game anymore. If they finally do decide to turn up again, the come with the same excuse about how their mental health prevented them from working. Almost all of them say the exact same thing, and judging by the massive amount of Abandoned games(5k out of the 20k~ games posted here are Abandoned), it's impossible they are all telling the truth. Since when did laziness and lack of common decency to not take advantage of your loyal supporters become attributed to mental illness??


Should be an eye-opener to most of how extremely susceptible patreon-funded games are. That's why supporters should be more thoughtful of who they give money. My personal rule is to not support a creator unless they have at least 1 finished game under their belt, that way I know they actually got the capacity and will to complete something. That's still not a guarantee though, as evident by this case.

Speaking of which, does Noxian Nights have any connection to this game's story or are they completely separate worlds?

I think you are right, but i see this from a bit different angle: when thousands of amateurs who have no idea about game development start their projects, then 50% burnout is exactly what i'm expecting to be the result. But if they do their own thing, then burnout is not an excuse in most cases, but rather the result of their own mistakes. Hreinn here for example never made roadmaps and right from the start they developed step by step without a plan for the future. This inevitably leads to difficulties and frustration both among the devs and the fans and burnout naturally follows.

So yeah, i believe the same story every time, i just think that it often comes from preventable mistakes that the devs themselves didn't realize or didn't want to admit.

And no, Noxian Nights has no connection. It is based on League's old lore (with surprising accuracy sometimes) and that world has no orcs or elves.

 

[Nerro]

I think you are right, but i see this from a bit different angle: when thousands of amateurs who have no idea about game development start their projects, then 50% burnout is exactly what i'm expecting to be the result. But if they do their own thing, then burnout is not an excuse in most cases, but rather the result of their own mistakes. Hreinn here for example never made roadmaps and right from the start they developed step by step without a plan for the future. This inevitably leads to difficulties and frustration both among the devs and the fans and burnout naturally follows.

So yeah, i believe the same story every time, i just think that it often comes from preventable mistakes that the devs themselves didn't realize or didn't want to admit.

And no, Noxian Nights has no connection. It is based on League's old lore (with surprising accuracy sometimes) and that world has no orcs or elves.

Agreed.
This reminded me of another prerequisite of mine before I even start to consider supporting a dev; They must have a plan/roadmap for the game. How many chapters? How long do they plan development to take? How much of the plot has already been laid out? I always ask these questions and if they can’t give a reasonable answer, adios.

I 100% agree with your take on the burnout, nevertheless, being burnt out due to your own incompetence does not excuse the blatant milking scheme of ghosting to retain supporters. Delay your development as much as you need or abandon it, but don’t betray your supporters by not keeping them informed, that‘s just disrespectful and downright immoral.

 

[salchixdd]

Well... It is safe to say that this game WAS a real Kingdom of Deception.

 

[Anmitsu]

Artist and lead dev actually has been MIA for like a year now. As in, literally not even the other devs have been able to get in contact with him. The other devs kept it a secret from the patrons for most of that time, only recently disclosing it to the patrons after they couldn't fake another update without new art assets.

The new writer is gonna just release whatever work they have finished and finally shutdown the project for good.

LMAOOO I knew something was up but how is that not punishable by law? Such scam on money loool
Although that also makes me sad. I'm following this game for like what, 8 years, of my life and this is the end I'm getting? Never seeing how Sabia's sister Lynn gets that orc cock in the end? Things such as these should NOT happen.

 

[Howdy89(+)]

LMAOOO I knew something was up but how is that not punishable by law? Such scam on money loool
Although that also makes me sad. I'm following this game for like what, 8 years, of my life and this is the end I'm getting? Never seeing how Sabia's sister Lynn gets that orc cock in the end? Things such as these should NOT happen.

Exactly many good games which have potential just gets abandoned

 

[miltonlucifer]

it was one of my favourite game around here hands down. just under Karryn's Prison and the Saria Reclaimed mod ( which is in development hell too ) .
bummer .
they want to do a text based sequel in the same universe a la Corruption of champions . LOL . . as if someone cared about reading erotica . LMFAO.
I mean they suggested it, but the audience "was overwhelmingly for a game with art " . yeah no shit.

 

[souldead341]

it was one of my favourite game around here hands down. just under Karryn's Prison and the Saria Reclaimed mod ( which is in development hell too ) .
bummer .
they want to do a text based sequel in the same universe a la Corruption of champions . LOL . . as if someone cared about reading erotica . LMFAO.
I mean they suggested it, but the audience "was overwhelmingly for a game with art " . yeah no shit.

I mean, there's a huge market for reading erotica. It's generally called "romance novels", along with the massive amount of fanfiction online (look up archive of our own to see how much text only smut fanfiction there is).

Remember, just because you don't like something doesn't mean no one likes it.

 

[Anneb0lin]

the artstyle itself is very AI friendly in terms of creating several instances of the same thing (clothing, environments, body proportions, etc) which means they could go that route with comparativley low effort and i think they know that as well. or they could find someone who is good at creating that, there are some real wizards out there.

But when i look at the comments, i get the impression that they wont do that... so it could be not just the MIA Artist.

Not saying anything for about two years is kinda sus tho.

Ive seen similar behavior from other indie devs, i think we all have.

once the cash is flowing, the actual work that gets done diminishes over time.

sad.

 

[Sinvx]

B: Sierra is not a fan of non-con.
She wrote non-con scenes for NN because Nomo and the fans wanted it. But she didn't agree with how much rape and gangbang content Nomo and NDS wanted in KoD.

You sure about that? Cause a lot of the non-con stuff was removed after she left, especially the intro gangbang scenes. Plus her other games have non-con in it.

 

[Alimtheir]

You sure about that? Cause a lot of the non-con stuff was removed after she left, especially the intro gangbang scenes. Plus her other games have non-con in it.

Sierra probably meaned the latter things in the story. Where Sabia has no choice.

On the girl/girl scenes you pretty much see Sierras influence even in the later story parts.

 

[Umbra.Nox]

once the cash is flowing, the actual work that gets done diminishes over time.

Too bad there's no way to stop the overpayment. Patreon donations work really badly due to people just throwing money even at a barely-alive dev with a few pretty pictures and promises.

 

[Enigmanic]

You sure about that? Cause a lot of the non-con stuff was removed after she left, especially the intro gangbang scenes. Plus her other games have non-con in it.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure. Having been a longtime supporter of the game, I was a regular in their Discord for years and I'm currently still in Sierra Lee's Discord.
- The intro gangbang scene was removed because Patreon had a strict policy against non-con. Nomo was ordered to remove it.
-While she's not a fan of non-con, Sierra understands that a portion of her fanbase and target audience do enjoy it. Thus, she writes non-con in moderation. That's quite different from Nomo's and NDS's vision for the game which had the majority of sex scenes being non-con.

 

[heehatatt]

The duality of western porn game devs. Get a good thing going, make a bunch of money, then let it all go to shit. Hreinn peaked at $7400/month on patreon, and this was in precovid dollars. They even had a completed game under their belt, which is more than 98% of western devs can say. Cursed category.

 

[heehatatt]

they want to do a text based sequel in the same universe a la Corruption of champions . LOL . . as if someone cared about reading erotica . LMFAO.

I wouldn't mind that, actually. But I have 0 trust for this writer and coder to actually be able to make a text based rpg. Then I have negative trust for them to be able to finish it. COC2 has been in development for 7 fucking years, with god knows how many people contributing to it.

 

[Weatherdragon]

I wouldn't mind that, actually. But I have 0 trust for this writer and coder to actually be able to make a text based rpg. Then I have negative trust for them to be able to finish it. COC2 has been in development for 7 fucking years, with god knows how many people contributing to it.

Tbf, coc2 is crap BECAUSE so many people contribute. They just keep adding side-content/characters. If they had made it less of a community free-for-all and focused on finishing it instead of milking it, itd be done, and 10x better. SL can actually write decent plots and they've done plenty of text-only scenes. FINISHING, however, would probably only happen with Last Sovereign being done and not starting another project...

 

[domacleod]

Sad to see this was abandoned, had kind of an interesting story.

 

[Kira999]

Burp.. Oh, sorry.

 

[dankhentai69]

Sad to see this was abandoned, had kind of an interesting story.

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Ndsferrari and Monsinne have lost contact with Nomo.

They've acquired a new artist

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that will help with a new prequel project.

 

[souldead341]

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Ndsferrari and Monsinne have lost contact with Nomo.

They've acquired a new artist

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that will help with a new prequel project.

Well, I doubt that'll fix most of the issues, since the art didn't seem to be the main issue until Nomo went MIA. Both the coding and writing had issues with time and quality too.

 

[bitchass92]

Well, I doubt that'll fix most of the issues, since the art didn't seem to be the main issue until Nomo went MIA. Both the coding and writing had issues with time and quality too.

Yes, primarily it was a lack of transparency, with decreased in quality of writing both in terms of dialogue and story (not all bad but abysmal by comparison) in addition to a plethora of unfinished ideas and concepts in both gameplay and "adventure" and lastly the art style did eventually degrade. I mean hope they can do something good but the last "update" was also kinda trash.