yyunus
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Bruh a lot of people complaining for free pirated content
I'm going to be the one who disagrees here. Restarting the project, starting a new game or remaking it in rpg maker would be absolutely useless and it most likely isn't that realistic either.
KoD's development clearly lacks management and planning. Even tho Nomo has an overall direction, in every single patch so far we have seen content being added with a delay or cut and passed on to the next patch. There seem to be plans for what should be in the finished game but for not when and how.
This is made worse by the working speed of some team member(s). It doesn't really matter if it's a lack of free time to work on this game or laziness, the result is the same.
Until these things get fixed, restarting the game or making a new one won't make any difference at best and just give us 1-2 years of absolutely no content followed up by the same pace at worst.
That is, if Hreinn decides to make another project if they decide to shut down this one.
I want to see improvement on the speed of released content, just as everyone else in this thread, but continuing KoD is the best scenario in every case, because either the current problems get carried over to the new project or they get fixed and if they are fixed, then carrying on with KoD doesn't need new foundations and planning to start.
KoD's development clearly lacks management and planning. Even tho Nomo has an overall direction, in every single patch so far we have seen content being added with a delay or cut and passed on to the next patch. There seem to be plans for what should be in the finished game but for not when and how.
This is made worse by the working speed of some team member(s). It doesn't really matter if it's a lack of free time to work on this game or laziness, the result is the same.
Until these things get fixed, restarting the game or making a new one won't make any difference at best and just give us 1-2 years of absolutely no content followed up by the same pace at worst.
That is, if Hreinn decides to make another project if they decide to shut down this one.
I want to see improvement on the speed of released content, just as everyone else in this thread, but continuing KoD is the best scenario in every case, because either the current problems get carried over to the new project or they get fixed and if they are fixed, then carrying on with KoD doesn't need new foundations and planning to start.
I may be wrong here, but I think they're takin' the piss. (Remaking it or RPG maker.)
I can see advantages to having done it in RPG maker from the beginning (namely having a lot of the mechanics they had to code into renpy native or available as free addons online). But yeah, I hoipe it was a joke about taking literally years to redo the game so far in RPGmaker, seeing as the coding seems to be (one of) the frequent causes of the delays (IIRC it's a common excuse they give). Hell, you can see what happens to an ambitious project when they redo it in a new engine with Malise and the Machine. Last had a release of a version in 2018 (unless there's some release not posted here or updated on their patreon front page), though still being "worked on" in a new engine according to the developer.
I don't find RPGmaker to be a better engine for most games. A ton of RPGmaker games just wind up having tons of empty space and useless walking. Unless a major part of the game is to have random combat, I prefer Renpy or any other engine.
I think dzd1121 has the right of it: having played a tonne of Japanese (completed) RPGmaker games of varying quality, after a while if I'm playing an RPGmaker game that I'm not hugely into or I'm not in the mood or I simply don't find appealing, my mind can't help but start to see the negatives - the most common one being an abundance of empty space. Having done a course in game design myself (straightens tie), it's draw as an engine is it's so damn simple to use that any man and his dog can whack out a half-playable game in no time, without a huge amount of effort to boot.
Now, having had income and data (live in the middle of nowhere so my signal is very poor) for a while - though very specifically I've been playing KoD since 0.1.3 or so - I've been on F95 more often, and I find myself drawn more often to Ren'Py games, knowing that while there mightn' be an abundance of sex scenes, the downtime between them isn't arduous.
Of course with that said, KoD is the first Ren'Py game I've come across with a sort of navigation system (navigable map) - which I think is kinda cool and isn't a detractor for me. Although I am in the minority (I believe) of KoD fans who didn't think Noxian Nights was the bees knees (though I don't play League of Legends) so I'm not biased towards RPGmaker with that in mind, the biggest draw from me from a... lusty perspective... is that I come from an erotica background: young me thought people porn was amazing, but word porn?! Stuff makes me cum like a dragon. I'm not overly fussed by the artwork - certainly pleased when it's good - but so long as the writing is at an acceptable level I'm not really given to complaining.
But at the end of the day, what should be kept in mind is that the KoD gang don't peruse F95 (I think), and the RPGmaker remake was 'suggested' by a user.
[As an addendum about Malise and the Machine: there's a boatload of negativity on that thread which doesn't need to migrate over here, but I consider it... highly unlikely, it's being worked on in the meantime. I am under the impression that that team began Onyx as a way to raise funds (among any developer a tactic I find peculiar) for MatM's redesign, however Onyx has now taken centre stage. And both exits.]
Now, having had income and data (live in the middle of nowhere so my signal is very poor) for a while - though very specifically I've been playing KoD since 0.1.3 or so - I've been on F95 more often, and I find myself drawn more often to Ren'Py games, knowing that while there mightn' be an abundance of sex scenes, the downtime between them isn't arduous.
Of course with that said, KoD is the first Ren'Py game I've come across with a sort of navigation system (navigable map) - which I think is kinda cool and isn't a detractor for me. Although I am in the minority (I believe) of KoD fans who didn't think Noxian Nights was the bees knees (though I don't play League of Legends) so I'm not biased towards RPGmaker with that in mind, the biggest draw from me from a... lusty perspective... is that I come from an erotica background: young me thought people porn was amazing, but word porn?! Stuff makes me cum like a dragon. I'm not overly fussed by the artwork - certainly pleased when it's good - but so long as the writing is at an acceptable level I'm not really given to complaining.
But at the end of the day, what should be kept in mind is that the KoD gang don't peruse F95 (I think), and the RPGmaker remake was 'suggested' by a user.
[As an addendum about Malise and the Machine: there's a boatload of negativity on that thread which doesn't need to migrate over here, but I consider it... highly unlikely, it's being worked on in the meantime. I am under the impression that that team began Onyx as a way to raise funds (among any developer a tactic I find peculiar) for MatM's redesign, however Onyx has now taken centre stage. And both exits.]
Exactly. Noxian Nights failed miserably on that point: poorly designed maps, lots of useless walking, empty world, terrible battles and balancing. Kingdom of Deception is a huge step up from Noxian Nights in my opinion and I think they should keep making games in Ren'Py. And I say that without even considering how outdated the RPGmaker engine is compared to Ren'Py.
Yukariin
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i was a subscriber to their patreon at some point.
it does feel like we're being used.
Kodek
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People here are just overthinking stuff talking about remaking the project and so. Remaking the project won't make it better, heck it would just give Nomo a free pass to milk the patrons for a year or more. So, either finish it or drop it and looking at how far we are in the game, the better course is to finish this project then pass to another one. Nomo has an overall goal in mind, but the management they have right now kinda suck, because every update is delayed to hell and back and when it comes it's small, unfulfilling and meh.
I don't like to point finger but Nomo fucked his own game, because Sierra was no longer holding him back on his most bad ideas. So the state we have right is at least 80% Nomo's fault since he is probably forcing his ideas on the other two. Because of this, we have nonexistent updates, awful writing and progression and the only quality that remained is the art work. So we all just need to hold up to what we have because it's not going to change... at least it's free for us here.
I don't like to point finger but Nomo fucked his own game, because Sierra was no longer holding him back on his most bad ideas. So the state we have right is at least 80% Nomo's fault since he is probably forcing his ideas on the other two. Because of this, we have nonexistent updates, awful writing and progression and the only quality that remained is the art work. So we all just need to hold up to what we have because it's not going to change... at least it's free for us here.
Loktar27
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What? I found Noxian Nights to be a great game overall, not just for the lewd content. It has small well designed maps, every corner has a purpose, which area did you think was empty? As someone who has played many RPGM games it has efficient maps and I didn't really feel like I was walking uselessly overall. Unless you find any sort of walking useless in which case that's your problem. The battles were also fun, I found it challenging at certain moments in my first playthrough but never overly tedious which is what I generally seek and many games here are missing. I liked the variety of bosses and such.
Kingdom of Deception may be a step up in terms of art quality, in every other respect it failed to impress me personally. I found it had potential and interesting set ups but overall direction was kind of disappointing but that's just my personal taste, may not be the case for everyone.
The last update literally doubled the scenes of the game. Get a grip people. They have bad management, and they are obviously milking it, but if you discredit the devs for every update, just don't play the game. Be mature people and move on. I don't understand wtf the outrage is.
When you don't like something - don't pay for it, don't play it, don't talk about it. Simple economy. The forever moaners here that just keep on bitching about how the update is slogging, that there is no content etc, etc, etc - wtf are you here for damn. There are other games, other studios. There has to be something you like. Go and support it and let the project die and move on, or stop repeating the same circlejerk bs that this forum's been seeing for probably the last 30 pages or so. And I mean the huge ones.
When you don't like something - don't pay for it, don't play it, don't talk about it. Simple economy. The forever moaners here that just keep on bitching about how the update is slogging, that there is no content etc, etc, etc - wtf are you here for damn. There are other games, other studios. There has to be something you like. Go and support it and let the project die and move on, or stop repeating the same circlejerk bs that this forum's been seeing for probably the last 30 pages or so. And I mean the huge ones.
I really question your definition of doubling...
And, I've said this a long time ago in the thread, but people can say what they want. If any negative opinions are told "go away, shut up, don't pay, quit complaining" you end up with a circlejerk of nothing but praise. Both are bad, and yeah this forum tends towards the negative / pessimistic side of the opinions posted. People love to commiserate and bitch about things. At work, you bitch about the customers, the boss, the one coworker, whatever. Why do that? Nothing going to change by complaining about it right? Just get a different job or shut up. Except it's never really that bad, and the bitching is a way to let off steam. Everyone does it, and this thread is no different.
I personally (generally) like the art, and until (relatively) recently the writing was at least decent on the submissive side (from good to a long slide downward). But there are a lot of legit complaints. I see it as Hreinn had a lot of potential, NN was great (outside of some RPGMaker issues) and as such there was a lot of hype about KoD. Then the issues grew with them, and people are lamenting over what could have been if they kept to the (rosy viewpoint) of what they used to be like.
Umbra.Nox
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Now that i think about it, considering that many things are fetish-able, maybe there is something like a fetish on circlejerking? That would explain a whole lot of mystery around...
Half of us on this forum are damn tsunderes. "It's not like i like your game or anything, baka! Hmh."
Hard to not shit on the game when every update for the past 2+ years has been delayed. the last update wasn't even "finished" according to hreinn as some repeatable scenes were cut.
Not accounting for delays the rate at which content is being released is just abysmal, go to hf/artist patreons and see how many pictures+variants a single one of them churns out, compared to what hrein delivers in their 6-8 month update cycle. Go to a text based game and see how many scenes they churn out compared to what hreinn delivers.
Not accounting for delays the rate at which content is being released is just abysmal, go to hf/artist patreons and see how many pictures+variants a single one of them churns out, compared to what hrein delivers in their 6-8 month update cycle. Go to a text based game and see how many scenes they churn out compared to what hreinn delivers.
zerojack123
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This is what happens when developers become too ambitious. Seen too many developers who plan out too many stuff and never gets finished. Reminds me of one developer group the ones developing the parody of Star fox staring Crystal that game is a complete mess. This game is falling into that rabbit hole as well.
Py Ape
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ayo wtf. i have changed three fuckin jobs and still havent seen the goddamn update