VN Ren'Py Kingdom of Deception [v0.14.2.2] [Hreinn Games]

[Furabia]

So what exactly is the bottleneck here? The coding? Does anyone know that? I mean, I'm aware that most issues are usually the "behind closed doors" kinda deal, but are they communicating anything to anyone?

I remember supporting them years ago, before their reputation tanked so hard, and even then they rarely posted updates on Patreon. I doubt that that situation has improved, but maybe they posted something to the more "loyal" people on their discord?

Could be just laziness, or greed, who knows.

 

[Shakira]

I really don't think that your conclusions are right here and i wish i was paid to say that.

Feel free to disagree with me but if you take a closer look at these developers, you can clearly notice a pattern in their activity that goes something like this :

Release an update -> Silence for 2-3 months -> Make a post about their progress -> Tell us that they are adding some new/extra content/feature, improving the game's system or reworking the old content -> Silence for another 2-3 months -> Tell us that the update is going to be delayed due to real life problems or extra work caused by their earlier decision -> Finally release the update after 5-6+ months -> Promise faster updates from the next time -> Rinse and repeat

They have shown this pattern for a long time now and the delays are only getting worse with each new update. I am not saying that they are doing this intentionally but their actions do not inspire much confidence, especially when they have failed to deliver in this fashion multiple times in a row.

If they really want to show their dedication, they need to put their money where their mouth is and deliver faster updates. I love this game as much as anyone on this thread and I would love to be proven wrong but it's naive to be hopeful about this game at this point unless the developers change their ways for the better.

 

[Py Ape]

Feel free to disagree with me but if you take a closer look at these developers, you can clearly notice a pattern with them that goes something like this :

Release an update -> Silence for 2-3 months -> Make a post about their progress -> Tell us that they are adding something new/extra, improving the game's system or reworking the old content in the following update -> Silence for another 2-3 months -> Tell us that the update is going to be delayed due to extra work that resulted from their decision or real life problems -> Finally release the update after 5-6+ months -> Promise faster updates from the next time -> Rinse and repeat

They have shown this pattern for a long time now and the delays are only getting worse with each new update. I am not saying that they are doing this intentionally but their actions do not inspire much confidence, especially when they fail deliver multiple times in a row.

If they really want to show their dedication, they need to put their money where their mouth is and deliver faster updates. I love this game as much as anyone on this thread and I would love to be proven wrong but it's naive to be hopeful about this game at this point unless the developers change their ways for the better.

I'd rather not say anything. Whenever I talk shit my comment gets deleted for trolling or spamming. Idk why, but I agree with what you say.

 

[nyqz]

So what exactly is the bottleneck here?

I don't think there is a bottleneck, I think the whole project has just grown beyond what their small team can easily manage, and it now takes them an extremely long time to make enough progress for each update. Think about it, even if coding was a bottleneck how much time would it realistically add between each update? A week? Maybe a month? Even if there was a bottleneck to fix I don't think it could speed things up a huge amount.

 

[punhetas]

Feel free to disagree with me but if you take a closer look at these developers, you can clearly notice a pattern with them that goes something like this :

Release an update -> Silence for 2-3 months -> Make a post about their progress -> Tell us that they are adding something new/extra, improving the game's system or reworking the old content in the following update -> Silence for another 2-3 months -> Tell us that the update is going to be delayed due to extra work that resulted from their decision or real life problems -> Finally release the update after 5-6+ months -> Promise faster updates from the next time -> Rinse and repeat

They have shown this pattern for a long time now and the delays are only getting worse with each new update. I am not saying that they are doing this intentionally but their actions do not inspire much confidence, especially when they fail deliver multiple times in a row.

If they really want to show their dedication, they need to put their money where their mouth is and deliver faster updates. I love this game as much as anyone on this thread and I would love to be proven wrong but it's naive to be hopeful about this game at this point unless the developers change their ways for the better.

Spot on
The support platforms and dedicated patrons enable this behaviour.
As long as this attitude is rewarded, nothing changes.
These guys should have had their project shut down ages ago ...

 

[Jinsoyun]

Feel free to disagree with me but if you take a closer look at these developers, you can clearly notice a pattern with them that goes something like this :

Release an update -> Silence for 2-3 months -> Make a post about their progress -> Tell us that they are adding something new/extra, improving the game's system or reworking the old content in the following update -> Silence for another 2-3 months -> Tell us that the update is going to be delayed due to extra work that resulted from their decision or real life problems -> Finally release the update after 5-6+ months -> Promise faster updates from the next time -> Rinse and repeat

They have shown this pattern for a long time now and the delays are only getting worse with each new update. I am not saying that they are doing this intentionally but their actions do not inspire much confidence, especially when they fail deliver multiple times in a row.

If they really want to show their dedication, they need to put their money where their mouth is and deliver faster updates. I love this game as much as anyone on this thread and I would love to be proven wrong but it's naive to be hopeful about this game at this point unless the developers change their ways for the better.

No, i agree with this statement.

Hreinn developed a bad routine or rather they never learned how to do things well after each change they made to the team, engine, etc. Unfortunately they also became so averse to change that they apparently can't even consider positive suggestions either. This hurts their team just as much as it does their players.

I probably didn't express it well enough in my last post, but i simply don't see evidence of malicious milking from them yet. They did bury their heads into the sand for a long time now, but it seems to me that they want to keep developing this game. Regardless, you are right when you say that they have to change their ways, because the current state does not help anyone.

 

[heehatatt]

Just look at their patreon posts. Sep 2021 started work on .13, working on repeatables that didnt get added in .12. Nov 2021 - main quest is completed and .12 content has been added. Dec 2021 - .13 almost done expect it early 2022. Jan 2022 - .13 is almost done only now Monsinne has started to write the third major questline. How the shit does the update go from "almost done" to "writer STARTED writing third main quest"? 2 month silence. Apr 2022 - hey guys .13 is almost done for reals this time we added another cg. Now another month of silence. Should we bother expecting this in May? Who knows. Next patreon post probably going to be something along the lines of "update soon guys new scene is fully coded into the game and the writer has JUST STARTED writing text for it."

 

[Karl Speidel]

Just look at their patreon posts. Sep 2021 started work on .13, working on repeatables that didnt get added in .12. Nov 2021 - main quest is completed and .12 content has been added. Dec 2021 - .13 almost done expect it early 2022. Jan 2022 - .13 is almost done only now Monsinne has started to write the third major questline. How the shit does the update go from "almost done" to "writer STARTED writing third main quest"? 2 month silence. Apr 2022 - hey guys .13 is almost done for reals this time we added another cg. Now another month of silence. Should we bother expecting this in May? Who knows. Next patreon post probably going to be something along the lines of "update soon guys new scene is fully coded into the game and the writer has JUST STARTED writing text for it."

Just dont bother,atleast not here,talk to patreons or on their discord about it to open eyes and make them bleed cash,its for the best to ignore this game for a while until they either get their shit togheter or abandon it,no use losing sleep over it dude.

 

[heehatatt]

Just dont bother,atleast not here,talk to patreons or on their discord about it to open eyes and make them bleed cash,its for the best to ignore this game for a while until they either get their shit togheter or abandon it,no use losing sleep over it dude.

Getting onto their discord or patreon involves giving money to them, again I learned my lesson with regards to this dev.

 

[Karl Speidel]

I'd rather not say anything. Whenever I talk shit my comment gets deleted for trolling or spamming. Idk why, but I agree with what you say.

I know the feeling,imagine being that way for reviews on shitty games...no criticism and being banned from even commenting

 

[Karl Speidel]

Getting onto their discord or patreon involves giving money to them, again I learned my lesson with regards to this dev.

I didnt know you had to pay to join their discord,then again i dont really view kickstarter/patreon games too kindly,they are especially when its about porn,a trap meant to milk your hard earned cash.

Its time for people to throw the patreon trash to the bin and only pay for completed games again.

 

[Karl Speidel]

First time i hear, i will look at it right now.

How is it?

 

[Dante477]

It is abandoned for now. They were supposed to be updating it so it could show all quests when you make a fresh playthrough.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Devs never stated that they will include old quest's to the quest log, (check the change log for v.11.) But for now, the feature is relatively new and fully updated to the latest version, that means it's not abandoned.

 

[Enigmanic]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Devs never stated that they will include old quest's to the quest log, (check the change log for v.11.) But for now, the feature is relatively new and fully updated to the latest version, that means it's not abandoned.

Why bother having a quest log if it won't show all the quests? And yes as a matter of fact, Nomo has previously stated in their Discord that the quest log would eventually list all quests as they come up for fresh playthroughs.

 

[gzrtjhgtyhjljk]

Why bother having a quest log if it won't show all the quests? And yes as a matter of fact, Nomo has previously stated in their Discord that the quest log would eventually list all quests as they come up for fresh playthroughs.

That's something they should've added from the start. Same goes for the repeatable and modular scenes. I doubt that any of those features will get added in the near future, simply because it's a huge amount of work to integrate it with the older updates.

 

[ronadan]

Why bother having a quest log if it won't show all the quests? And yes as a matter of fact, Nomo has previously stated in their Discord that the quest log would eventually list all quests as they come up for fresh playthroughs.

well, add it to the long list of other obvious features the game should have. idk, when I check this thread I always feel disappointed, furious and hopeless about the future, but I like KoD too much to let it go. it's almost the same feelings I have for my dad

 

[Enigmanic]

well, add it to the long list of other obvious features the game should have. idk, when I check this thread I always feel disappointed, furious and hopeless about the future, but I like KoD too much to let it go. it's almost the same feelings I have for my dad

I agree except my dad's dead.

 

[Dante477]

Why bother having a quest log if it won't show all the quests? And yes as a matter of fact, Nomo has previously stated in their Discord that the quest log would eventually list all quests as they come up for fresh playthroughs.

Yeah I agree, having a quest log without adding all the quests is pointless. And thanks for clarifying and sharing that discord info with us. But still, my last point still stands, the feature is still being updated and whether or not they add the old quest's in the future, it's still being looked on and not forgotten, therefore it's not abandoned.

 

[Dante477]

I agree except my dad's dead.

Sorry about your loss.

 

[Enigmanic]

Sorry about your loss.

Thanks but it's okay. I respected him because he was a vet but he abused his other family.