VN Ren'Py Kingdom of Deception [v0.14.2.2] [Hreinn Games]

[Limited20]

Even if it doesn't get abandoned, most of us will never see it finish in our lifetimes at the current pace of updates

You know, I think if the devs are having problems (real life, team is splitting up, arguing, communication, plans etc...)
I think they should AXE whatever plans they had for the story and just make it a fun sexy game.

More action and sex in and around the Orc camp.
A human camp/settlement.
A Elf settlement.

Just let us explore the map that we have, and let us decide how we do things.
Having Sabia being a turbo slut fucking everying around the camps/settlements/villages/wilderness...
Or we can have her be a warrior and handle stuff and events with fighting.

You know, just forget about the story and just make art/renders/CGs for the sex scenes and write dialog.

I would be totally cool if we just stay in the Orc camp for example, work as a prostitute in the tens, a whore maid in the Bar, A slutty hunter that goes out hunting with the boy and they take turns on her, fighting in the pits and if she loses the boys take turns on her, a sex slave to some tribe or something etc...

You keep it simple.
I just hope they continue to make content for the game.
Tho I rly would like if they do monthly or By-Monthly updates for the game, and drop this system of 1 update per year.

 

[Karl Speidel]

You know, I think if the devs are having problems (real life, team is splitting up, arguing, communication, plans etc...)
I think they should AXE whatever plans they had for the story and just make it a fun sexy game.

More action and sex in and around the Orc camp.
A human camp/settlement.
A Elf settlement.

Just let us explore the map that we have, and let us decide how we do things.
Having Sabia being a turbo slut fucking everying around the camps/settlements/villages/wilderness...
Or we can have her be a warrior and handle stuff and events with fighting.

You know, just forget about the story and just make art/renders/CGs for the sex scenes and write dialog.

I would be totally cool if we just stay in the Orc camp for example, work as a prostitute in the tens, a whore maid in the Bar, A slutty hunter that goes out hunting with the boy and they take turns on her, fighting in the pits and if she loses the boys take turns on her, a sex slave to some tribe or something etc...

You keep it simple.
I just hope they continue to make content for the game.
Tho I rly would like if they do monthly or By-Monthly updates for the game, and drop this system of 1 update per year.

Thats one of the worst ideas i've heard in this thread,if you want to remove the story and enjoy sex then go on pornhub,we here want a game and a game must have a story.,I for one like the story more than the sex scenes.

 

[Karl Speidel]

Sorry but what is ToT?

Tower of Trample,never heard of it? Its very popular...or was.

 

[alibaba34]

The only lesson would be patrons should learn is only support people who have both artistic and programming skills on Patreon. Be sure they have these skills and only then part with your money. Most of these people don't know how to delegate/manage others, so once they are past the initial stage, they can't get anything done and won't deliver any of their promises.

 

[Karminator]

Anyone wanna bet they will release it at August

 

[Jinsoyun]

You know, I think if the devs are having problems (real life, team is splitting up, arguing, communication, plans etc...)
I think they should AXE whatever plans they had for the story and just make it a fun sexy game.

More action and sex in and around the Orc camp.
A human camp/settlement.
A Elf settlement.

Just let us explore the map that we have, and let us decide how we do things.
Having Sabia being a turbo slut fucking everying around the camps/settlements/villages/wilderness...
Or we can have her be a warrior and handle stuff and events with fighting.

You know, just forget about the story and just make art/renders/CGs for the sex scenes and write dialog.

I would be totally cool if we just stay in the Orc camp for example, work as a prostitute in the tens, a whore maid in the Bar, A slutty hunter that goes out hunting with the boy and they take turns on her, fighting in the pits and if she loses the boys take turns on her, a sex slave to some tribe or something etc...

You keep it simple.
I just hope they continue to make content for the game.
Tho I rly would like if they do monthly or By-Monthly updates for the game, and drop this system of 1 update per year.

That almost certainly wouldn't help anything, at least the updates would not get faster or get more content either.

Don't get me wrong, i'm more than fine with a scenario where Sabia gets hammered by basically anyone, anywhere.

But the art still has to be drawn, the lines still have to be written and the coding still has to be done. Just giving up on the story won't make Nomo draw any faster and coding a scene will not be quicker either just because it has no back story anymore.


Just look at what we are waiting for now:
The devs were talking about a release in late february, early march. Then Nomo sat down to drew a modular art for bar scenes and Monsinne wrote a ton of text to accompany this. The art took roughly a month to be done and along with the writing it was finished by 7th of April, according to their post (page 504). Since then, so for another month now, we are waiting for the coding to be finished.

This process would go exactly the same way with your suggestion too, we would only lose on the deal.


Plus we already had 4 updates where they intentionally didn't progress the story and just focused on the erotic stuff. And while most people agreed to this plan beforehand, just sit down and read the last 2 years in this thread to see how happy everyone is with the updates since 0.9.

 

[yyunus]

Tower of Trample,never heard of it? Its very popular...or was.

First time i hear, i will look at it right now.

 

[JaszMan]

Can Sabia go evil(bad), rather go against the humans and turn on her own people per se?

 

[Shakira]

I think they should AXE whatever plans they had for the story and just make it a fun sexy game. You know, just forget about the story and just make art/renders/CGs for the sex scenes and write dialog.

Well I think they are doing that already. Reading the comments on this thread has given me the impression that the developers have :

• Abandoned many planned features and side-plots
• Haven't progressed the main story as much
• Made a mess of sub route
• Failed to maintain the overall quality of writing

I haven't actually played the game myself in a long time, so feel free to correct me if I am wrong. I firmly believe that Nomo's art is the only thing keeping this game alive at this point. Truth be told, I am here for the art myself because I can't be bothered to follow a story that progresses slower than a snail.

I think it's safe to conclude that they are treating this game as a cash cow and aren't interested in putting out faster updates. A change of approach isn't going to help when the developers aren't interested in progressing the game to begin with.

They're gonna keep milking this as long as they can and abandon it completely once they cannot milk it further. As much as I love the story, premise and characters of this game, I think it is doomed unless the developers change their ways but it seems like they don't want to.

 

[Jinsoyun]

Well I think they are doing that already. Reading the comments on this thread has given me the impression that the developers have :

• Abandoned many planned features and side-plots
• Haven't progressed the main story as much
• Made a mess of sub route
• Failed to maintain the overall quality of writing

I haven't actually played the game myself in a long time, so feel free to correct me if I am wrong. I firmly believe that Nomo's art is the only thing keeping this game alive at this point. Truth be told, I am here for the art myself because I can't be bothered to follow a story that progresses slower than a snail.

I think it's safe to conclude that they are treating this game as a cash cow and aren't interested in putting out faster updates. A change of approach isn't going to help when the developers aren't interested in progressing the game to begin with.

They're gonna keep milking this as long as they can and abandon it completely once they cannot milk it further. As much as I love the story, premise and characters of this game, I think it is doomed unless the developers change their ways but it seems like they don't want to.

I really don't think that your conclusions are right here and i wish i was paid to say that.

I'll repeat myself, but again, look at why we are waiting now: Nomo wanted to draw something with Sabia and Amelia because it has been teased for so long. He wanted to make something for this game. And despite all the valid criticism, Monsinne apparently went berserk on writing content for this art, so much so that they moved it up from a bit of sidelined reward to a part of the main story and more.

There is the drive and motivation in the devs. To me it seems they want to keep making this game.

But i understand why i'm in a minority with my views. Coming back again to our current situation: We are waiting for an update to drop. When? No idea. What is in it? Well, some content that we don't know exactly from 0.12 have been carried over and some kind of bar content is being added to it's end as we speak. But what is in the planned part of the patch? No idea.

So we are waiting for an outcome that we can't predict to happen sometime we can't tell yet. Essentially, being invested in this game with either money, time, effort or anything else can feel a damn lot like gambling, hence the feeling of milking.

But i can't assume that this is intentional. Because if it is, then the dev's master plan was to create a bad feeling in the players and patreons in order to get less money. That just doesn't even work for greed either.
In the end it is still a problem that they created and they have to solve it.

 

[AlienBreeder]

In the end it is still a problem that they created and they have to solve it.

Ornshakar for Warchief:
"If there was a problem, yo he'll solve it!"

(Sorry! Couldn't resist.)

 

[G52x]

Ornshakar for Warchief:
"If there was a problem, yo he'll solve it!"

(Sorry! Couldn't resist.)

Actually that might make an interesting bad end

 

[Enigmanic]

I really don't think that your conclusions are right here and i wish i was paid to say that.

I'll repeat myself, but again, look at why we are waiting now: Nomo wanted to draw something with Sabia and Amelia because it has been teased for so long. He wanted to make something for this game. And despite all the valid criticism, Monsinne apparently went berserk on writing content for this art, so much so that they moved it up from a bit of sidelined reward to a part of the main story and more.

There is the drive and motivation in the devs. To me it seems they want to keep making this game.

But i understand why i'm in a minority with my views. Coming back again to our current situation: We are waiting for an update to drop. When? No idea. What is in it? Well, some content that we don't know exactly from 0.12 have been carried over and some kind of bar content is being added to it's end as we speak. But what is in the planned part of the patch? No idea.

So we are waiting for an outcome that we can't predict to happen sometime we can't tell yet. Essentially, being invested in this game with either money, time, effort or anything else can feel a damn lot like gambling, hence the feeling of milking.

But i can't assume that this is intentional. Because if it is, then the dev's master plan was to create a bad feeling in the players and patreons in order to get less money. That just doesn't even work for greed either.
In the end it is still a problem that they created and they have to solve it.

I was a supporter since 2017, finally quit out two months ago after an argument with Nomo. You can read back through the rest of this thread to get the 411, I won't repeat everything. But Nomo is full of shit and Monsinne is a lazy writer. They've had four years to do something with this game yet the main story has gone nowhere.

 

[Nayko93]

Could someone tell me if it's it normal that my quest log is always empty ?

 

[Jinnai]

So what exactly is the bottleneck here? The coding? Does anyone know that? I mean, I'm aware that most issues are usually the "behind closed doors" kinda deal, but are they communicating anything to anyone?

I remember supporting them years ago, before their reputation tanked so hard, and even then they rarely posted updates on Patreon. I doubt that that situation has improved, but maybe they posted something to the more "loyal" people on their discord?

 

[Enigmanic]

Could someone tell me if it's it normal that my quest log is always empty ?

Yes, that's normal. The quest log was introduced two or three updates ago as a work-in-progress. It's yet another feature the devs have abandoned or forgotten about.

 

[Dante477]

Yes, that's normal. The quest log was introduced two or three updates ago as a work-in-progress. It's yet another feature the devs have abandoned or forgotten about.

I just checked, and the the quest log is working fine (from v.11 to v.12.) So it's not forgotten or abandoned.

 

[bitchass92]

People out here with the hopium.

I"ve got a million ideas for pervy scenes, game concepts, and deliciously kinky twists.

I don't make a patreon, or games, or ask for support because I know I don't have the skills to do much beyond the conceptualizing.

These guys... probably should've pulled the plug last year.

 

[Nayko93]

Yes, that's normal. The quest log was introduced two or three updates ago as a work-in-progress. It's yet another feature the devs have abandoned or forgotten about.

oh okay I'm not here yet



Also I think my game is broken, I'm stuck just before "chaos in the camp"
I take my info from the walkthrough
I've done "Maply & The Hellhound", "The Tentacle Monster", "The Lakelord" and "Raiding part 2" ( well only raiding for Tekrok, because the other 2 won't talk to me ) and I already have 100% Kentark Training, so according to the walkthrough, this should trigger the next quest "chaos in the camp"

but "chaos in the camp" doesn't show up

Also I've found a other quest broken, looking at the walkthough it seem that one of my previous quest in incomplete
In the the "Kia's Lessons" quest , I didn't have the part with Elmy where you ask her some ingredient and escort her
but I could still continue the rest of the quest, until the fight between Lutvrog and Kia
I got the fight and then nothing else, I should be able to visit Kia to continue the quest, but instead when I go to the forest and then Kia's valley , I only have a message that say "....it seemed that she was too restless to talk for now."

I think all come from this, I can't complete the Kia's Lessons quest so I can't trigger the chaos in the camp quest

 

[souldead341]

So what exactly is the bottleneck here? The coding? Does anyone know that? I mean, I'm aware that most issues are usually the "behind closed doors" kinda deal, but are they communicating anything to anyone?

I remember supporting them years ago, before their reputation tanked so hard, and even then they rarely posted updates on Patreon. I doubt that that situation has improved, but maybe they posted something to the more "loyal" people on their discord?

So, every report from the discord is that you pretty much get exactly what the public posts are, just slightly more often. "It'll be done soon", "The next update will be faster", "The update will be missing something we planned". Anyone who doesn't stick their head up Hreinn's ass to lick it is also banned / shouted down. So no, AFAIK from what's been posted here being in the discord doesn't help with news at all.

As for the bottle neck, I think their most common claim is coding. But who really knows, since sometimes it seems like they decided that more can be added in an update, which could shift the issues elsewhere.