VN Ren'Py Law School [Ep.2] [MisterMaya]

[JillybeanEnjoyer]

slightly unrealistic plot devices

Like I said above... $7 for a drink and popcorn at the movies...

 

[Meiri]

Come on, i enjoy the game and think its good but he has some good points lol

The bullying (Aurora&Andrea) and esp this basketball subplots shouldnt exist. Not everything has to be super serious but these things didnt even added humour, its was just really really dumb and senseless

The supposedly prodigy lawyer student, ready to fight for worldwide justice ... is afraid he broke the law because he picked a basketball up..... really nobody can say that this isnt just really really stupid this is especially dumb as it is about law itself.

And why did it even happen, only for the mc to be "caught running" in the university

The mc being this prodigy and everyone considering him as that but at the same time so incredibly naive, soft and very kid-like doesnt really fit together. He seems so ... sheltered like hes from some religious sect or something.

As i said, i enjoy this avn and it has a lot of fun and good parts but there are unbelieavable stupid little things which make you wonder why the dev felt the need to add that.

Edit: The Mike guy is way more belieavable than the MC, this guy wouldnt piss his pants over picking up a basketball

What you say about Aurora and Andrea I kinda agree, well I wouldn't say that plot shouldn't exist yet but he will have to work hard to make her likeable. I admit didn't like it the first time I read it as it paints both as very bad individuals and this is bad specially for Aurora who is supposedly a LI still I think for now he has made a good job in making her sympathetic on chapter 2.

About the MC "I think" it may play against us sometime in the future, we seem to be the teamplayer, good charisma but sometimes too naive and innocent while Mike seems to be the lonewolf, more cold-blooded and the end justifies the means type of guy. I imagine this rivalry while be more important as the story progresses either that or the allied against the biggest threat.

 

[jak1165]

As pointed out above, I think its either a high Btier/low A tier 3dvn. 4 star seems like a fair rating. And it has some things in it I wish some of the more well-known/popular College-setting games had. There's good character diversity, both in characterization and physical appearance. Author seems to realize that you can have a male MC and other men in the universe the story takes place in can actually exist and not be there to cuck the MC or be a token gay or just plain retarded (Only DPC seems to not be afraid of writing fleshed out male characters)

 

[TonyMurray]

Im not? If anything the cynic in me says that someone that has almost 50% of their favorite games be "college freshmen wants for little as they gain a harem before the end of the first semester" (even ones that i think do it better like Elmwood) means that you are the one being biased/disingenuous, what are you supposed to judge at the start of the game if not the scenes shown in the start of the game? It wouldn't be such an issue if it was just one example (like i said i wanted to give another chance), but its not just once its back to back to back to back things that dont make sense in universe (not by logic or porn logic) and make the "good story" laughable.

A second issue is I was able to give multiple examples as to "poor storytelling" as well as why they dont make sense in universe and you respond with "i think they are good", not saying how any of the "small things" (several of which are introduction to LI but sure they are small), or even providing evidence that I missed, for example maybe i missed the line where the university is somehow able to expel people if they run in buildings? Which scenes made you laugh? Which ones tugged at your cold dead feelings heart? Like I said this wouldnt be an issue if this was just "dumb hung college kid showes up to be porn protag" ths biggest problems come from the dissonance between how we are "supposed" to see people/MC and what we are shown

In the future it would make your point much stronger if you could provide evidence as to why you think the way you do, responding to the other parties points beyond the fact that "i like it so its ok", and starting with less passive aggressive than "i think your trolling because you disagree with me but in case you arent......." only serves to further the idea that you want to defend the game not talk about it or others (disagreeing) opinions. Am I a troll because i stopped when multiple other people did? Or is it because I gave the game a second chance only to find more or the same? Once again stopping when other people did and have posted about...... or am i troll because i "insulted" a game you like by mostly saying how their are games that every individual part (and multiple parts) better?

Edit: Thinking about it thats not the only issues is not the dissonance around the MCs intelligence/performance, multiple of the things i pointed out would not play out the same way in the "modern" post 2010 world (tech, social climate etc)

Would "basic" college girls laugh at an attractive dude holding a bear (next to a fucking girl for godsakes) or take a picture/video for those sweet sweet online interactions? or more likely ingore it and watch the verbal shouting match hoping for that sweet sweet worldstar clout?
Would two friends somehow divide up responsibilities exclusively without a paper trail? or would they text each other and thus the sistuation makes no sense

Well, you stated your thoughts, and followed it with "what are people smoking to say this is a good story?" I responded that it's a matter of opinion - yours is that it's a bad story, mine is that it's not. My opinion is right for me, yours is right for you, neither is wrong, that's just how opinions work. It's worth noting that my opinion is based on playing all of the available content, whereas from what you're saying, your opinion is based on playing what sounds like about five minutes, and it sounds like you went into that with views already formed (based on your previous posts and how you started today's).

I didn't respond to you to argue why you are wrong (because again, opinions), I replied to answer the suggested question of "how can people like this?" I don't need to provide examples to say that I like something. (IMO) Your post sounds like the sort made when the poster specifically wants to trash a game that is generally well-received, usually because they like another game that is seen as a "rival", or because they have some beef with the dev, or they just don't like to see games and devs succeed, etc., etc. That's why I said it sounded like bait, and if not bait, it's your opinion and that's okay.

The sort of games I like doesn't make me biased, it just means that I like a particular type of game (and college setting isn't a pre-requisite to that) and this one hits enough of the things I look for in a game to make it one of my favourites. One of the important things I look for in a game is story, I want a game to hit me in the feels now and then. I don’t want a game that I just play to get off, I need a connection to the story and/or the characters first. (That's quoted from the OP of my "favourite games and girls post, just to show that I'm not bullshitting to try to make a point here.) I like the story here, I like the characters, there are a lot of aspects I like about the game. I'm not going to list out examples, because I don't feel I need to – again, I'm not trying to prove you're wrong, because it's just your opinion. Similarly I'm not trying to prove I'm right, because it's just my opinion, therefore I don't have to supply evidence to back up my claims If you really want to know, though, feel free to check out my review of this game here.

 

[Simpgor]

So far, the MC being good at basketball doesn't seem to have plot relevance, either. Which is fine, tbh. He doesnt need to be a star player on the college basketball team (apparently the school doesnt even have a team but there's probably a "yet" in there).

The male characters seem to be well-written, some of the dialogue is pretty good. I think this game has great potential if the author doesn't try for some complex revenge plot or make the best friend some secret spy or there's somehow a money-laundering scheme going on. It can just be a competently made, well-written, slice-of-life plot with some slightly unrealistic plot devices

Yeah I dont think ive said this game is shit or anything just that the writing is below average and nobody seems to be able to say why its so well written only that it is despite the MC causing the most issues even for people who say the game is 5* ( more or less perfect?) I dont care if this becomes the most successful game, or if nobody plays the next update and it gets abandoned. Once I go to sleep i doubt ill ever be in this thread again because like its been shown i dont gel with this game and that doesnt seem like it will change going forward. I just thought that maybe after the release things would be changed (happens most often after a 0.1), or maybe the writing was just weak at the start and once people are introduced but going by people who say they like the game that does not seem to be case. And lets be honest with how incredibly fucking stacked the rest of Dec/ jan is going to be for AVN releases I doubt ill even have time if i wanted too

As pointed out above, I think its either a high Btier/low A tier 3dvn. 4 star seems like a fair rating. And it has some things in it I wish some of the more well-known/popular College-setting games had. There's good character diversity, both in characterization and physical appearance. Author seems to realize that you can have a male MC and other men in the universe the story takes place in can actually exist and not be there to cuck the MC or be a token gay or just plain retarded (Only DPC seems to not be afraid of writing fleshed out male characters)

thankfully a few of the "more recent" college (and or sports) games are finally realizing that you can write another guy without having him be a cuck or a cackling rape-y mustache twirling villain, we truly are in the reiwa era of college focused porn games

 

[jak1165]

Yeah I dont think ive said this game is shit or anything just that the writing is below average and nobody seems to be able to say why its so well written only that it is despite the MC causing the most issues even for people who say the game is 5* ( more or less perfect?) I dont care if this becomes the most successful game, or if nobody plays the next update and it gets abandoned. Once I go to sleep i doubt ill ever be in this thread again because like its been shown i dont gel with this game and that doesnt seem like it will change going forward. I just thought that maybe after the release things would be changed (happens most often after a 0.1), or maybe the writing was just weak at the start and once people are introduced but going by people who say they like the game that does not seem to be case. And lets be honest with how incredibly fucking stacked the rest of Dec/ jan is going to be for AVN releases I doubt ill even have time if i wanted too

For what its worth, I think Ch. 2 is better than ch. 1.

And I think plenty of characters are well written, with solidly fleshed out characterizations and personalities (The main teacher, Alan, Jack, Lana and Mike and some of the MGs) Even MC, when MM remembers to turn his brain back on (its still a porn game, so porn game things have to happen like the Library sequence). Even the blackmail subplot is wrapped up (for now, anyway) in the most logical way under the circumstance

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thankfully a few of the "more recent" college (and or sports) games are finally realizing that you can write another guy without having him be a cuck or a cackling rape-y mustache twirling villain, we truly are in the reiwa era of college focused porn games

For real.

 

[ImSenjou]

I agree with the criticisms of the MC, he's more naive and innocent than you'd expect from him, he should be the one standing up to the "formidable" Mike, especially since they've declared themselves rivals, but they aren't on the same level, they're opposites, honestly, I wish Mike were the MC.

The MC is still trying to be the perfect guy, but in the wrong way, which is partly why I believe the story is written by a woman. (I won’t discuss this!!!)

Sana questioned him, and his response only made me like the MC even less.

I must have had the same expression as Sana when I read his response.​

I might sound like a bully saying this, but back in my day, this MC would either be hated by everyone or end up being the gay friend, no wonder his best friend is a girl, ok, I'll stop.

 

[MiltonPowers]

I agree with the criticisms of the MC, he's more naive and innocent than you'd expect from him, he should be the one standing up to the "formidable" Mike, especially since they've declared themselves rivals, but they aren't on the same level, they're opposites, honestly, I wish Mike were the MC.

The MC is still trying to be the perfect guy, but in the wrong way, which is partly why I believe the story is written by a woman. (I won’t discuss this!!!)

Sana questioned him, and his response only made me like the MC even less.

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I must have had the same expression as Sana when I read his response.​

I might sound like a bully saying this, but back in my day, this MC would either be hated by everyone or end up being the gay friend, no wonder his best friend is a girl, ok, I'll stop.

Or raped in prison doing 25 to life for stealing a basketball.

 

[Krytax123]

I agree with the criticisms of the MC, he's more naive and innocent than you'd expect from him, he should be the one standing up to the "formidable" Mike, especially since they've declared themselves rivals, but they aren't on the same level, they're opposites, honestly, I wish Mike were the MC.

The MC is still trying to be the perfect guy, but in the wrong way, which is partly why I believe the story is written by a woman. (I won’t discuss this!!!)

Sana questioned him, and his response only made me like the MC even less.

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I must have had the same expression as Sana when I read his response.​

I might sound like a bully saying this, but back in my day, this MC would either be hated by everyone or end up being the gay friend, no wonder his best friend is a girl, ok, I'll stop.

Its really cringe haha

And it feels like hes so eager for praise because he organized this sick Event

Which is the most lame College event ever. No alcohol and even loud music is a problem

and everyone is so easily impressed by it … hes way too simple minded to be a lawyer.

 

[Dessolos]

yeah like that first render of his dialogue was fine but the 2nd was 100% cringe

 

[jak1165]

I met some extremely sheltered kids in college. Actually find a lot of the dialogue pretty accurate. I definitely knew an Olive. She was cute but could be extremely difficult to be around. Touch of the tism and an extremely preachy vegan is a bad combo for social situations

 

[Hildegardt]

So far, the MC being good at basketball doesn't seem to have plot relevance, either. Which is fine, tbh. He doesnt need to be a star player on the college basketball team (apparently the school doesnt even have a team but there's probably a "yet" in there).

Well, apparently he still has to be a star basketball player, even though it's got no plot relevance, or else why would this even be in the game? It seems like the point is to just pile on all the Gary Stu traits you could think of. The MC is the tallest, the fittest, he's got the best speeches and he's so studious, all he wants is after hours library access. What a guy.
The main plot of episode two is basically that being the center of attention comes with a lot of responsibility. That's so over the top, it's not even a fun power fantasy anymore. I wish the LIs were the center of attention of this game instead of the MC.

 

[Jafo]

I think I made the right conclusion to first play the game and than read the thread here. And after several pages it turned out to be the better choice. Not seeing the spoilers.

As mentioned earlier, after finishing episode 1 again and enjoying it just as much as the first time episode 2 was jus as great! The story is building so nice I whish I could wait untill the game is finished but that is no option becoming sponsor of this super game.

The game fits me like a glove. Enjoying and hating characters but that is the intention of MisterMaya. I could kill Andrea and Aurora but that is written to be. Elsa being hard to get is normal as well. But I hope this will go further. Taylor is also one of my favourites, but I really have nothing with Rose. A little tooooooo much of everything. And sweet Miranda..... I am looking forward to monday evening! Look if I can nail her.

And where I am also looking forward to is how Mike and MC are going during the game. They seem good now but how this will develop is also interesting.

At last, The entrepeneur was good. But this will be great! I can not wait for episode 3.

 

[xsikal]

There's definitely porn logic and silliness and the occasional detour into outright absurdist comedy just because. And I also assume MisterMaya is a woman because of some of the dialogue interactions and choices that don't ring true from a male POV.

Regardless, the renders are good and if you are willing to suspend disbelief (and aren't bothered by the really buggy animations), I find the game fun. I wouldn't personally cite it as a top tier AVN, but I think it's better than a lot of the offerings around.

 

[cate.archer]

Hey MisterMaya ! I've now happily played through your new VN 'Law School' from the beginning to the end of episode 2, and I'm really excited! I think your story is really well written! Entertaining, funny and very appealing. With games like this, I like to get sucked into the plot and live it to the full...I think the graphics are very good, as with 'The Entrepreneur' (I found you through this VN) - which I also really, really liked, and the story is also very nicely written, IMO. I hope my English isn't too difficult to understand, I use Google to help me with that because my native language is German. Congratulations for this great game, I've signed up as a Patreon (for the whole of next year at least) and thank you for the entertaining hours you've given me and numerous other players! I think you can see the effort and passion you put into your work! I'm really looking forward to the next update!

Kind regards from Vienna, Austria
C.

 

[cate.archer]

PS: My Favorite Girl is Olive (for now)......
Hope we get more content with her.

 

[Justaphase]

Great game so far, I think I prefer it to The Entrepreneur so far.

As far as the girls are concerned it was Rose for me, but now Miranda has overtaken her, she really is gorgeous. Plus she has the added bonus of being mute, so no nagging! Kidding...maybe.

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[Justaphase]

Also this scene bugged me a bit. I thought that Rose was supposed to be the MC's best friend. I would have thought that she would have been the first one to jump in to help him when he's being pushed up against a wall and yelled at. I would have expected at least a "Get your hands off him!" from someone who is apparently your best friend.
I get that the whole thing was a misunderstanding of what happened in the shower with Miranda and then after during their conversation, but still....some friend.

 

[xsikal]

Also this scene bugged me a bit. I thought that Rose was supposed to be the MC's best friend. I would have thought that she would have been the first one to jump in to help him when he's being pushed up against a wall and yelled at. I would have expected at least a "Get your hands off him!" from someone who is apparently your best friend.
I get that the whole thing was a misunderstanding of what happened in the shower with Miranda and then after during their conversation, but still....some friend.

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That's part of the absurdist humor that just randomly shows up. Just like the random anime-like punches that happen every now and then betwen the two. Agree it feels out of place, but I think it's just the dev's style as it was in the last game too.

 

[jish55]

Also this scene bugged me a bit. I thought that Rose was supposed to be the MC's best friend. I would have thought that she would have been the first one to jump in to help him when he's being pushed up against a wall and yelled at. I would have expected at least a "Get your hands off him!" from someone who is apparently your best friend.
I get that the whole thing was a misunderstanding of what happened in the shower with Miranda and then after during their conversation, but still....some friend.

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shit, my buddies would have done the same thing if a girl game up threatening me. Knowing them, they'd have made bets on a) what I did wrong and b) how long I'd be alive for.