VN Ren'Py Law School [S2 Ep.4 v1] [MisterMaya]

[Jafo]

I also just finished it today, playing through all possible paths and I have to agree with one particular point you made (I agree with a couple others but that's beside the point) - this episode made me really warm up to Samara. At this she's easily one of my favourite LIs in the game, along with Miri and Elsa

Oops.... I forgot to mention Miri. I specially told her that I am into threesome. Hoping to get Sienna on board as well. A dirty mind is a joy forever.

 

[Jafo]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think e.g. Samara is not only exclusive to the selfish path, but also to the Taylor path. There could be more of this for the other LIs, instead of the personality paths and there'd be replayability just the same. The way season 2 plays now is not any different from season 1, because, if you don't look behind the scenes, you can't even tell that you're only getting +1 relationship points and no personality points anymore. There could have been more agressive thresholds for these relationship points right from the start and it would have worked out the same as the personality paths.
I think I get the idea that all the characters are entangled in an overarching background plot and only multiple playthroughs will reveal the big picture. But as I said, I don't think anybody cares about the MC's personality, so these reveals only really hinge on the player's choice of LI anyway.

You are rite. But when you grey out Taylor you will get some more Samara content at the end.

 

[Chillout1984]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think e.g. Samara is not only exclusive to the selfish path, but also to the Taylor path. There could be more of this for the other LIs, instead of the personality paths and there'd be replayability just the same. The way season 2 plays now is not any different from season 1, because, if you don't look behind the scenes, you can't even tell that you're only getting +1 relationship points and no personality points anymore. There could have been more agressive thresholds for these relationship points right from the start and it would have worked out the same as the personality paths.
I think I get the idea that all the characters are entangled in an overarching background plot and only multiple playthroughs will reveal the big picture. But as I said, I don't think anybody cares about the MC's personality, so these reveals only really hinge on the player's choice of LI anyway.

You can get on the Samara path no matter your standing with Taylor. She really only is exclusive for Selfish.

Also it's said at the end of season 1 that you will be locked into that personality, so you don't have to look behind the scenes to know you won't get any difference in those anymore.

 

[Hildegardt]

You can get on the Samara path no matter your standing with Taylor. She really only is exclusive for Selfish.

Also it's said at the end of season 1 that you will be locked into that personality, so you don't have to look behind the scenes to know you won't get any difference in those anymore.

Ah, that's right, because the relationship points also reset to 0 in season 2.

Honestly, I'd probably prefer a personality system to regular dating sim mechanics, but actually committing to something like that would make for a very different game.

 

[Chillout1984]

Ah, that's right, because the relationship points also reset to 0 in season 2.

Honestly, I'd probably prefer a personality system to regular dating sim mechanics, but actually committing to something like that would make for a very different game.

It would also make it more difficult and chaotic for the dev to create. By doing it this way and at most have 5 girls on a specific path where only 2 change with every personality, the dev has less combinations of girls to code and make dialogue and confrontations for while still being able to add more LI's in hopes that every player would like at least one of them.

Many devs try to add as much LI's as they can, but they screw up by underestimating how difficult it can be to make the story for every possible combinations of LI's. Imo MM's system is a good middleground.

 

[glaslow]

Are you that dense? She's been trying to get a divorce for forever, why would she give a fuck about the marriage. Better yet, why would the MC?

couple people getting defensive over this. It's ok you don't understand like the dictionary and definitions and uhh personality types and how doing this could possibly be selfish. That's okay. Merry Christmas.

 

[-Kuro-]

It would also make it more difficult and chaotic for the dev to create. By doing it this way and at most have 5 girls on a specific path where only 2 change with every personality, the dev has less combinations of girls to code and make dialogue and confrontations for while still being able to add more LI's in hopes that every player would like at least one of them.

Many devs try to add as much LI's as they can, but they screw up by underestimating how difficult it can be to make the story for every possible combinations of LI's. Imo MM's system is a good middleground.

Tots agree with you specially with the last part... most devs create tons of LI because they dont know how to create a consistent character, MM is givin us ( for a AVN standard) very few.. but they are fucking good writed.. for example aurora, taylor or miri... a pretty decent content.. some background.. some " conection point" ( aurora with being more and more open to mc, taylor talking about her issues, Miri talking about her illness and trusting us with her secret ) Rose does not need it.. comes with mc.. Sana has her secrecy.. Samara.. hardly content but she opened a bit and revealed a bit of herself, Danielle closed as fuck XD, Elsa.. we basically are experiencing with her how her marriage is broken, for me thats the big diference.. MM is given them its own background aside MC, whereas in most avn this background is tangled with their relationship with mc.. and u would not know about it unless u are in their route.. MM is giving us background.. not taking in consideration if we are going to purchase that LI, that would make it more reliable relationships if you decide to go for that specific character.
That cant be done in just 4 episodes ( that are actually couple months or so ) you need time.. and spending time with the person.. ( thatis as i see the main reason aurora is so well developed,, you spent off screen loots of time with her both working and ir your room) so for those who are crying about some character has no content and bla bla bla.. maybe that means that character does not need so much content.. ( for example lana )

This MM system is a pretty good one... a pretty realistic one and no so fancifull like other AVN, so if u trust a little bit in this proyect of him.... be patient and wait.. the game stills on its early episodes.. time will tell.. dont rush things or opinions just because you dont have what u want yet..

 

[-Kuro-]

Note aside.. fuck sometimes i get tangled with my ideas when trying to write them in english ( not even my second language XD) so if sometimes it seems i keep dwelling on the same idea it prob means im not sure how to say it in english XD

 

[glaslow]

Tots agree with you specially with the last part... most devs create tons of LI because they dont know how to create a consistent character, MM is givin us ( for a AVN standard) very few.. but they are fucking good writed.. for example aurora, taylor or miri... a pretty decent content.. some background.. some " conection point" ( aurora with being more and more open to mc, taylor talking about her issues, Miri talking about her illness and trusting us with her secret ) Rose does not need it.. comes with mc.. Sana has her secrecy.. Samara.. hardly content but she opened a bit and revealed a bit of herself, Danielle closed as fuck XD, Elsa.. we basically are experiencing with her how her marriage is broken, for me thats the big diference.. MM is given them its own background aside MC, whereas in most avn this background is tangled with their relationship with mc.. and u would not know about it unless u are in their route.. MM is giving us background.. not taking in consideration if we are going to purchase that LI, that would make it more reliable relationships if you decide to go for that specific character.
That cant be done in just 4 episodes ( that are actually couple months or so ) you need time.. and spending time with the person.. ( thatis as i see the main reason aurora is so well developed,, you spent off screen loots of time with her both working and ir your room) so for those who are crying about some character has no content and bla bla bla.. maybe that means that character does not need so much content.. ( for example lana )

This MM system is a pretty good one... a pretty realistic one and no so fancifull like other AVN, so if u trust a little bit in this proyect of him.... be patient and wait.. the game stills on its early episodes.. time will tell.. dont rush things or opinions just because you dont have what u want yet..

What I think is really good about his system (even though it isn't perfected yet entirely.), is the way he split things up. Season 1 focuses on introducing the girls letting you fool around and learn about them (even if we don't get to learn about some like danielle or sana which makes it hard to pick them as your main LI unless you just like how they look.) Season 2 seems like it is going to focus on drama and LI conflicts and burning bridges or building them strong with the person of your choice. It feels more organized to use this method as a framework, but it kind of forces the pace of the story to fit the mold of the LI social family tree. Which can be good or bad depending on the plan for the main story arcs. I think it gives the player more control and lets them make the important decisions later after they learned about the setting and all the characters. I feel like this method will help split attention equally across LI. I think this game has issues with it in S1 just because of the sheer number of LI. If I consider the cross path LI the main girls they have the perfect amount of content and the specific path girls kind of lag behind in content a bit in varying degrees. I don't think that is the fault of the system just a product of development and making decisions with what they had. Like in the earlier versions Aurora was a selfish path LI and was labeled as one on the phone. Yet her story was always kind of cross path and it didn't affect the MC's ability to woo her in S1. I think the decision to make Taylor, Aurora, and Miri cross path LI's was made later on in development and they were all original meant to be on a specific personality type path. I think even miri was originally a Neutral path LI and Taylor was a Altruist Path one, if I'm not mistaken.

 

[John 7]

I have to admit I like the new Rose better. She's more open about her feelings and braver. And damn sexy...

 

[Jafo]

Tots agree with you specially with the last part... most devs create tons of LI because they dont know how to create a consistent character, MM is givin us ( for a AVN standard) very few.. but they are fucking good writed.. for example aurora, taylor or miri... a pretty decent content.. some background.. some " conection point" ( aurora with being more and more open to mc, taylor talking about her issues, Miri talking about her illness and trusting us with her secret ) Rose does not need it.. comes with mc.. Sana has her secrecy.. Samara.. hardly content but she opened a bit and revealed a bit of herself, Danielle closed as fuck XD, Elsa.. we basically are experiencing with her how her marriage is broken, for me thats the big diference.. MM is given them its own background aside MC, whereas in most avn this background is tangled with their relationship with mc.. and u would not know about it unless u are in their route.. MM is giving us background.. not taking in consideration if we are going to purchase that LI, that would make it more reliable relationships if you decide to go for that specific character.
That cant be done in just 4 episodes ( that are actually couple months or so ) you need time.. and spending time with the person.. ( thatis as i see the main reason aurora is so well developed,, you spent off screen loots of time with her both working and ir your room) so for those who are crying about some character has no content and bla bla bla.. maybe that means that character does not need so much content.. ( for example lana )

This MM system is a pretty good one... a pretty realistic one and no so fancifull like other AVN, so if u trust a little bit in this proyect of him.... be patient and wait.. the game stills on its early episodes.. time will tell.. dont rush things or opinions just because you dont have what u want yet..

Just that! +1

 

[-Kuro-]

What I think is really good about his system (even though it isn't perfected yet entirely.), is the way he split things up. Season 1 focuses on introducing the girls letting you fool around and learn about them (even if we don't get to learn about some like danielle or sana which makes it hard to pick them as your main LI unless you just like how they look.) Season 2 seems like it is going to focus on drama and LI conflicts and burning bridges or building them strong with the person of your choice. It feels more organized to use this method as a framework, but it kind of forces the pace of the story to fit the mold of the LI social family tree. Which can be good or bad depending on the plan for the main story arcs. I think it gives the player more control and lets them make the important decisions later after they learned about the setting and all the characters. I feel like this method will help split attention equally across LI. I think this game has issues with it in S1 just because of the sheer number of LI. If I consider the cross path LI the main girls they have the perfect amount of content and the specific path girls kind of lag behind in content a bit in varying degrees. I don't think that is the fault of the system just a product of development and making decisions with what they had. Like in the earlier versions Aurora was a selfish path LI and was labeled as one on the phone. Yet her story was always kind of cross path and it didn't affect the MC's ability to woo her in S1. I think the decision to make Taylor, Aurora, and Miri cross path LI's was made later on in development and they were all original meant to be on a specific personality type path. I think even miri was originally a Neutral path LI and Taylor was a Altruist Path one, if I'm not mistaken.

even though either of them are in a fixed path.. you can "put" them in one of them.. how can you do that? u have a bit of their brackground... once again creating their background helps us players to choose something we might connect better, 4 instance.. in not as selfish as Aurora.. neither as altruistic as taylor.. but knowing their backgrounds u can understand whats to walk on their shoes. As Mc elocuently said in episode 4, i judge you but im your firend.. you do not agree on her terms but u can understand why she decided what she did.. that way of " connecting" in a deep lvl can only happen if you know the character u develop some conection with him/her alas to have this some not so important or with a background easier to create ( rose 4 example) will suffer in the first steps with less content.. cause creating her background is as simple as creating MC one...theirs are tangled so would be like in any other avn a " mc dependant" backgrond.. so its the less important to show you in the first steps of the game.

 

[-Kuro-]

I have to admit I like the new Rose better. She's more open about her feelings and braver. And damn sexy...

agree at first she just looked a pettite geek girl.. but in episode 4.. damm she has a good body.. but she is nothing close to Miri.. jajajaj

 

[OsirisHeir._]

I have to admit I like the new Rose better. She's more open about her feelings and braver. And damn sexy...

She opens up more in this update and is being more daring.
Now, I need to see where she finger bangs herself to oblivion from behind xD
Don't worry, I got that for you!!

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[Jafo]

She opens up more in this update and is being more daring.
Now, I need to see where she finger bangs herself to oblivion from behind xD
Don't worry, I got that for you!!

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Yes she does. But she has to become a little less hyperactive before I will continue with her.

 

[DIKHammer]

And my friend's orange cat I am naming this after is currently in the room with me, so made it all the more easy to pick the name.

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We got another asshole orange cat, comeon can we have a nice cat for once?

 

[Jafo]

We got another asshole orange cat, comeon can we have a nice cat for once?

The cat was imported from MisterMaya's previous game The Entrepeneur. Which is really worth playing as well.

 

[-Kuro-]

have u realized if u start episode 4 with the generator instead importing save.. Lana's game is no more? like its not important anymore??

 

[DIKHammer]

The cat was imported from MisterMaya's previous game The Entrepeneur. Which is really worth playing as well.

I know that's why I made the reference to having a nice cat for once

 

[Chillout1984]

She opens up more in this update and is being more daring.
Now, I need to see where she finger bangs herself to oblivion from behind xD
Don't worry, I got that for you!!

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This moment still makes me laugh:

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have u realized if u start episode 4 with the generator instead importing save.. Lana's game is no more? like its not important anymore??

Yeah, it's mentioned quite a few times. You would think that would be an important decision, especially on a Rose path. It's clear to see this is simply because we can almost only generate decisions about MG's and no questions are bout side girls where no maingirls are involved. The only exception to this is if you gave Sienna a hard time or not.