John972

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Anyway, we saw it coming ...
Wow! What a revelation! "We" knew or should have known in advance of the Epi 5 cliffhanger that Hobbs wasn't Rockford's father? Damn! I missed that...

...probably because you've NEVER once expressed that theory in a post here.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing... except there is nothing I can see in the story script that even hints that Hobbs isn't Rockford's father.

I would love to know how and why you "saw it coming." Please let me know what I missed.
 
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Ottoeight

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Wow! What a revelation! "We" knew or should have known in advance of the Epi 5 cliffhanger that Hobbs wasn't Rockford's father? Damn! I missed that...

...probably because you've NEVER once expressed that theory in a post here.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing... except there is nothing I can see in the story script that even hints that Hobbs isn't Rockford's father.

I would love to know how and why you "saw it coming." Please let me know what I missed.

1) The Orcs themselves first told Rockford: "the hell are you talking about? Hobbs only had a daughter" (or so).

2) You should have payed attention at Emmeline's father thoughts immediately after the first time Rockford visits him in jail.

So, why did you think Rockford was right when he told Aghavni that Hobbs was his father?
 

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1) The Orcs themselves first told Rockford: "the hell are you talking about? Hobbs only had a daughter" (or so).

2) You should have payed attention at Emmeline's father thoughts immediately after the first time Rockford visits him in jail.

So, why did you think Rockford was right when he told Aghavni that Hobbs was his father?


During the taped interview, Aghavni asks Rockford the names of his parents. He replies, "My mother's name was Magnolia Rockford. My father's name is or was Solomon Hobbs."

Since that's not questioned during the Police interview, it is entirely reasonable to assume Hobbs is officially recorded as Rockford's father, like on a birth certificate recording both parent's names.

Never once is there any indication that Rockford only learnt the name of his father from his mother or grandfather before they died. It's unrealistic to think Rockford wrote "Solomon Hobbs" and Hobbs' DOB down when he was only 12 or younger, i.e. before his grandfather died. Rockford would need more than just a name to establish the identity of Solomon Hobbs and obtain a military service file.

Robert Jamison did tell Rockford that Hobbs only had a daughter. When told the name of Rockford's mother, Jamison said, "That's--you're talking about his--the woman he [Hobbs] was dating when he first joined the service. Well, I did meet her once. With Solomon. But..."

Jamison and the rest of the Orcs not knowing Hobbs also had a son means jack-shit, given that Hobbs cut-and-ran and Rockford's mother obviously didn't socialize with the Orcs.

Rockford was born only a few years after Hobbs joined the army. Colleen Thompson was born two years AFTER the Orcs all retired, and within roughly a year of the births of Robert Jamison's and Andreas Fedor's children.

None of what Jamison said in prison made it self-evident that Hobbs was not Rockford's real father. It only becomes self-evident in HINDSIGHT, i.e. after the Epi 4 cliffhanger.

It's the same with the reveal that Henry Clay is Solomon Hobbs. That wasn't self-evident. Everything only became clear in hindsight - AFTER the reveal.

it's the same with the reveal about the Orc feud leading to an attempted murder and two actual murders. None of it was self-evident before Epi 4.


Saying "we saw it coming..." isn't the same as having things fall into place in hindsight. If you had made a post doubting Rockford's parentage BEFORE the release of Epi 4, it would be different.
 

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Hey everybody.

Back when I started working on Leaving DNA, I anticipated it being a whole fuck ton of work. After coming up with the story and teaching myself Daz and Ren'py, I knew I'd be grinding for a solid two, maybe two and a half more years to finish this project. That seemed like a long way off, but I was passionate about it and knew if I dug in for the long haul I'd get it done. And if I recall correctly, the estimate for the game's completion that I gave to my early supporters was two and a half years.

Three years later, I've only just released Episode Four and still have a long ways to go.

When I came up with the story and started working on the game, I believed I would be funding it on my own. I just wanted to tell a story. I didn't plan on using Patreon, SubscribeStar, Steam, or Itch. But as I spent more and more of my own money on hardware and 3D assets I realized I was going to be inflicting some serious financial damage on myself if I didn't ask for support. And man, I have gotten so many awesome people jumping in to help me out. Some of you have been with me since I first launched my Patreon and SubscribeStar Pages. Others who joined along the way have still given me hundreds of dollars. I appreciate all of you. But if I'm being honest, at this point it just feels like too much for what I'm giving you. Even at the base tier of $3 a month that's $36 a year for maybe a few hours of gameplay. At the $10 and $20 a month tiers it really feels excessive, especially for those of you have been funding me at those tiers since I released the demo.

Of course, in addition to everything I've already spent on the game I do continue to have new expenses. Every month I pay hundreds of dollars more in energy costs from rendering all the time. Each animated scene costs me at least a thousand dollars. I continue to spend money on 3D assets, music licenses, software licenses, and other stuff like.

However, I write all of this to say that between your generous donations and the money I've made from Steam and Itch, I now have made back my own investments and I have enough money to fund the rest of the game. This was my primary goal for opening the Patreon and SubscribeStar pages and that goal has been met.

Looking ahead to the final episodes, it will get harder for me to provide previews or discuss upcoming content. I think I've mentioned this a few times in the past, but I honestly am not sure I'll want to give any previews at all while I'm working on Episodes Six, Seven, and Eight. I've always closely guarded against spoilers and I don't think it's possible to give previews for the last episodes without spoiling them.

Furthermore, the longer I work on the game, the more boring my developer's journals get. Frankly I just run out of interesting things to talk about. My point here again is I'm not sure how much value I'm returning to you for your monthly donations.

So, all of this is my introduction to the formal announcement that I will soon be taking down both my Patreon and SubscribeStar pages. I don't know exactly when, but it will be before I release Episode Five. I will soon prevent new subscribers from signing up, and sometime after that I will prevent even existing supporters from providing any more contributions.

For those who have been supporting me over a period of months and are worried about losing access to the game, don't worry you won't lose access. I will be providing weekly journals and new game updates via an email list. I'm still working out the details on this, but if you've already contributed a certain amount of money via Patreon or SubscribeStar then you will continue to receive all journals and updates for free. I'm not sure what the amount will be yet. Maybe $15 or $20.

I will also continue to provide monthly special renders to supporters who have contributed at higher amounts or for a long period, but the difference will be that access to these renders will be dependent on your total past contributions rather than an ongoing monthly contribution. However, I haven't yet decided what the threshold amounts will be.

In other words, if you've been a long term supporter, you're going to continue to get everything you've been getting in the past, but now you won't have to pay for it.

I know that many of you guys who have been supporting me for awhile want to continue giving me money and you are awesome, but please understand that there are multiple factors that have gone into this decision. There's more than just what I'm writing about here, but the unexpectedly long period of development is a major factor that I think justifies this move all by itself. I will of course continue to receive additional funding from new players buying the game outright on Steam and Itch.

I'll be making a public announcement this week. I wanted to leave the page open to new subs long enough for people who had been waiting for Episode Four to get it, but I don't want anyone signing up just to lose access to the page a month later. What I might do is temporarily open up the ability for new subscribers to make a small one time donation to get access to journals and updates going forward.

Anyways, I'll have more details later, but feel free to DM me with questions.

I really do appreciate you guys. I honestly wouldn't have made it this far without you.

--Monk
We support you .. my favorite game
 

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During the taped interview, Aghavni asks Rockford the names of his parents. He replies, "My mother's name was Magnolia Rockford. My father's name is or was Solomon Hobbs."

Since that's not questioned during the Police interview, it is entirely reasonable to assume Hobbs is officially recorded as Rockford's father, like on a birth certificate recording both parent's names.

Never once is there any indication that Rockford only learnt the name of his father from his mother or grandfather before they died. It's unrealistic to think Rockford wrote "Solomon Hobbs" and Hobbs' DOB down when he was only 12 or younger, i.e. before his grandfather died. Rockford would need more than just a name to establish the identity of Solomon Hobbs and obtain a military service file.

Robert Jamison did tell Rockford that Hobbs only had a daughter. When told the name of Rockford's mother, Jamison said, "That's--you're talking about his--the woman he [Hobbs] was dating when he first joined the service. Well, I did meet her once. With Solomon. But..."

Jamison and the rest of the Orcs not knowing Hobbs also had a son means jack-shit, given that Hobbs cut-and-ran and Rockford's mother obviously didn't socialize with the Orcs.

Rockford was born only a few years after Hobbs joined the army. Colleen Thompson was born two years AFTER the Orcs all retired, and within roughly a year of the births of Robert Jamison's and Andreas Fedor's children.

None of what Jamison said in prison made it self-evident that Hobbs was not Rockford's real father. It only becomes self-evident in HINDSIGHT, i.e. after the Epi 4 cliffhanger.

It's the same with the reveal that Henry Clay is Solomon Hobbs. That wasn't self-evident. Everything only became clear in hindsight - AFTER the reveal.

it's the same with the reveal about the Orc feud leading to an attempted murder and two actual murders. None of it was self-evident before Epi 4.


Saying "we saw it coming..." isn't the same as having things fall into place in hindsight. If you had made a post doubting Rockford's parentage BEFORE the release of Epi 4, it would be different.
Yes, I agree with all of this, except I though it was pretty clear
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Yes, I agree with all of this, except I though it was pretty clear that Henry Clay was Solomon Hobbs almost as soon as he was introduced. He was clearly sus, and the long hair etc. made him look like someone going incognito. He is also a built guy, esp. for a older guy who's a painter/handyman.
I agree that it was clear he was someone significant to the story after he appeared a couple of times. In retrospect, because so much time was spent showing Rockford/Afghani dissecting his testimony and because he was at the scene of the murder around the time it happened, someone more imaginative that me would've seen the link. Having said that, I didn't feel particularly surprised by the reveal, I just don't recall considering it beforehand.

There's been several things that feel so blindingly obvious once all the pieces come together. They just didn't seem obvious before the missing pieces were revealed. I don't recall anyone seriously opining that Jamison was really Rockford's father before the reveal.
 
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I agree that it was clear he was someone significant to the story after he appeared a couple of times. In retrospect, because so much time was spent showing Rockford/Afghani dissecting his testimony and because he was at the scene of the murder around the time it happened, someone more imaginative that me would've seen the link. Having said that, I didn't feel particularly surprised by the reveal, I just don't recall considering it beforehand.

There's been several things that feel so blindingly obvious once all the pieces come together. They just didn't seem obvious before the missing pieces were revealed. I don't recall anyone seriously opining that Jamison was really Rockford's father before the reveal.
Absolutely was a shock to me (when somebody here spoiled it). :ROFLMAO: :LOL::cry:
 
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... Now it turns out they're not even blood related (Which I could almost bet will make Rockford doubt having a relationship with Colleen). So my question is: Why the sob story about a girl on the wheelchair was added to this novel other than to make people sad at the part with book about the rabbit?
What if Colleen is also Robert's daughter? :sneaky:
 
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Now, this was a bit of a tearjerker, the good kind. I finally got around to play this, and since I'd forgotten too much it was a fresh start, focusing on Emmeline and Jamie and staying friendly with the other two.
Fantastic chapter.

Can Rockford please get filthy rich so he can take care of Colleen, maybe have her living with him and Jamie and all their kids, with a live-in nurse (who he won't touch, honest, even is she is a hot little latina)

Oh, and the Walkthrough is fine as it is.
 

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This is what I see when I search for "Leaving DNA" titles only (from homepage):
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This is the only result I get for "Leaving DNA compressed" in titles and first post:
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I wonder what settings you use when you searched for it to get your result.
You need to check your preferences tab in your account. There's an option to show search results by 'more recent' instead of by relevance which is the default option
 
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