VN Ren'Py Leaving DNA [Ep. 4.3a] [Impious Monk]

[Tomy75]

as part of his sheming - not for the good of the mc

I totally agree, for his own interests only.

 

[cucubau111]

Glad you're enjoying the story overall! I am a little disappointed with this take, though.

I'd been trying to set Jamie up as a very ambitious person. In each of Episodes One through Three there is a discussion about her goals going beyond just working in the District Attorney's Office. Yes, she does protest when asked and says she's happy for now being a DA. But she admits that she wants to be a federal judge, which I personally consider a very, very ambitious goal. She's even already applied to take on a second job as a law professor at a local law school, showing both her interest in teaching and, again, her ambition. In addition, her past job history clerking for a federal court of appeals and clerking for a United States Supreme Court justice are only things that an ambitious person would do. Even just the fact that she went to Harvard Law School is consistent with having ambition.

But I guess the problem here is that I didn't do a good job of explaining why these facts are relevant to showing her ambition. Most players aren't going to understand, for example, what it means to be clerk for the court of appeals or the supreme court. So that's my fault.

I do agree that she's leaving at a really hard time for the MC. But I think that actually makes her a much more interesting character. She understands that this is hard for the MC and she's really torn up about it because the job at Harvard is a once in a lifetime opportunity and she really wants it. But she also truly loves the MC. This is a very difficult conflict for her.

I do want my characters to feel real and to have their own hopes and ambitions outside of their relationship with the MC, even if that comes at the cost of that character's "likeability." The fact that we can't have everything we want in life sometimes will lead to hard choices. And hard choices are always going to make for good storytelling.

The reason why myself (and I imagine others too) were surprised by Jamies's choice is because of the way I have perceived her until now. I thought she was supposed to be the constant in the MCs life, the one that could pierce through his thick skull and settle his abandonment issues. After all, she has always been constant toward the MC her whole life. A beacon for the MCs stormy seas.

It's the reason why I always felt she was better compared to Malena, who is an exceptional character and in my opinion the best model in this game but she's just as fucked up as the MC, maybe even more. Or with Ahgavni with whom the MC would always have a small seed of doubt between them.

Naturally, nobody can blame Jamie for making the choice she made. At the end of the day any choice she made, she would be coming out losing something. Such is life at times. Not to mention that it was the logical choice and she needs to live her own life. But it feels that this has removed her best trait, from MCs(and us players') point of view.

 

[Ragnar]

Overall this is good but while some drama can make a story more interesting, if you go overboard you end with misery porn in your hands.
The surprise incest was gross

 

[Krytax123]

as far as i "understand" the mc, he has no ambition or wish for it
neither to be a senator or for the power it holds
this "idea" was planted in him by carrington and this snake of a woman
and i really hope - if its come to this - that we can avoid her for good and at all

We simply dont know that.

The MC is very obviously a ambitious guy (otherwise you dont become the best college baskeltball player or have a career like him. I disagree that the woman is a snake too (at least towards rockford), so far everything was true what she said and she supported him against Carrington without the MC being around and stand up for him.

If you let Rockford guide out Emmeline after the first meeting with Emmeline/Malena and their friend, Rockford actually tells Emmeline:



So we cant really say if he would be up for it in general, he just figures he's too swamped and unstable right now.

But his perception of that may change with support like this:

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And it could(!) lead to interesting decisions in the future aka becoming a no-nonsense guy who's fine with military operations which arent really covered by law or becomes someone who (tries to) uncover it all, even more drama when Jamie is the chosen LI.

The more obvious problem im seeing is that Carrington is looking for a Law&Order candidate while Rockford didnt displayed opinions like that at all so far? But i could see a "detached path" Rockford working well together with Carrington in the future, maybe.

Kind of interesting how Aghavni is the only LI which didnt got some huge obstacle thrown between her and Rockford in this chapter after Jamie, Malena and Emmeline are all put on ice for now.

 

[Boehser Onkel]

We simply dont know that.

The MC is very obviously a ambitious guy (otherwise you dont become the best college baskeltball player or have a career like him. I disagree that the woman is a snake too (at least towards rockford), so far everything was true what she said and she supported him against Carrington without the MC being around and stand up for him.

is that so?

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[minibaer12]

Old administrator, dear Impious Monk, you've thrown another update at us that is honestly worthy of the Champions League.

The only thing I see in my path are dark clouds on the horizon!!!

Both the MC (who, by the way, is not even aware of this yet) and Jamie will have to make fundamental decisions in the foreseeable future.

 

[Viatovic]

I replayed the whole game with the launch of the fourth episode and Im not ashamed to say I cried at several times while also having a good laugh at others.
This game finds the balance between an engaging story with turns, twists and misteries while also never forgetting about the sexy part.

The Jamie thing in this episode broke my heart.

Chapeau, Monk, this is a work of art.

 

[Boehser Onkel]

one of the few games where the writing is - imo- at this high level that ppl discuss more of the writing , hidden allusions and story itself then of the lewd stuff and how to get the girls laid

very well done Impious Monk (and team?!)

 

[Impious Monk]

very well done Impious Monk (and team?!)

Definitely I had help from my fantastic animator Sandem as well as the playtesters and my top level supporters for finding issues before the big release. And of course more people are helping me out by finding issues post-release, including in this thread!

 

[micojive]

Sorry to psycho analyse you here, but your response reeks of you playing the game as a replacement for actual social interaction. What you say about Malena is a pretty big red flag for it, so don't try to deny it.

There are plenty of "dating sim" AVNs out there, don't come in here bitching that a title that is the total opposite of that doesn't give you characters that pass your "likeability" tests.

I dont understand how you possibly came to that conclusion but go off if it makes you feel better man.

 

[minibaer12]

Definitely I had help from my fantastic animator Sandem as well as the playtesters and my top level supporters for finding issues before the big release. And of course more people are helping me out by finding issues post-release, including in this thread!

Honor where honor is due. The way you and your team have woven your story, the way you set up tricks, the way you describe the interpersonal relationships and feelings deserves all the respect.

Simply WOW!!!

 

[Krytax123]

The reason why myself (and I imagine others too) were surprised by Jamies's choice is because of the way I have perceived her until now. I thought she was supposed to be the constant in the MCs life, the one that could pierce through his thick skull and settle his abandonment issues. After all, she has always been constant toward the MC her whole life. A beacon for the MCs stormy seas.

It's the reason why I always felt she was better compared to Malena, who is an exceptional character and in my opinion the best model in this game but she's just as fucked up as the MC, maybe even more. Or with Ahgavni with whom the MC would always have a small seed of doubt between them.

Naturally, nobody can blame Jamie for making the choice she made. At the end of the day any choice she made, she would be coming out losing something. Such is life at times. Not to mention that it was the logical choice and she needs to live her own life. But it feels that this has removed her best trait, from MCs(and us players') point of view.

To me it made Jamie a stronger character. Every sane person would advise her to do what she did.

If she would be your daughter you would tell her to take the jump and take this possibily unique chance instead of hoping for unrequited love for a realtionship-wise unstable guy your crushing on for your whole life. Its unheatly to live with a unrequited crush like that.

The timing just sucks, Rockford wasted too much time in this year doing too little progress and even if they end up together (from her pov) its uncertain if it works out and if hes able to overcome his troubles for a healthy relationship.

There obviously will be some solution and jamie didnt agreed to the offer yet (she has until monday to decide) but i think its entirely reasonable for her to make the logical (and hard) decision at first but maybe getting swayed by her emotions (or jealousy? ) in the other way.

Jamie directly declining the offer in sake of Rockford would be a bad start for the relationship right from the get go as Rockford would feel pressured/forced to make it work even if he's truely unable to do that as he was the one holding her back in this case.

Its WAY better if Jamie makes the decsion (to stay ) herself and without being coerced by Rockford actively due to him confessing feelings (or him having a choice about it) for a possible relationship.

And i think she is aware that Rockford would blame himself if she would stay just like that just for him.

is that so?

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Yes? I feel like we read the same thing and interpret it 100% differently. Yes they talk about him and shes defening him (or his potential) towards Carrington. Thats what happens.

They are not sheming in this case but talking about the potential of someone who they could build up as an ally who helps their goals. This is fine.

They of course have different morals, goals and so on than Rockford and intend to push him more into their direction but thats not wrong/bad per se if they dont try to do that with unfair practice.

Shes very blunt and direct too, she tells rockford more or less the same stuff she tells carrington aka intending to use the "poor little orphan" image and Carrington even tells him more or less that this position will involve hands on shady military stuff.

Dont get me wrong, i dont like them, i think they are shady and doing a looooooooooooot of shady stuff but i dont think their intentions towards Rockford are inherently bad. They see him as someone would could be useful for them, an asset, but they are open about it and dont try to hide the fact. Which kinda is politics.

He would probably have a great, wealthy and reputable life if he would just went along but its questionable if he could live with himself in the end.

 

[Boehser Onkel]

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Yes? I feel like we read the same thing and interpret it 100% differently. Yes they talk about him and shes defening him (or his potential) towards Carrington. Thats what happens.
...

and this is what good writing does to ppl
lets see where this goes , untill i can say : told ya so

 

[Montanabob75]

Impious Monk Don't turn off your Patreon - this is your work, your story, we are here for the ride. You and your team are doing a great job.

I don't understand the Jamie thing; I think teaching at Harvard is not a promotion at this point in her career, she needs experience in the courtroom, and based on who her dad is, I would have thought a DC / Federal position would have been a much better fit. Especially, if she wants to be a federal judge in 10 years.

Many people say those that can't do, teach. Just seems like an odd fit, especially with her goals.

Hope there is a solution for Emmeline - she is the perfect girl for the MC - panic attack, she comforted the MC, the situation with his "sister" she walked him through it.

 

[Krytax123]

Hope there is a solution for Emmeline - she is the perfect girl for the MC - panic attack, she comforted the MC, the situation with his "sister" she walked him through it.

I hope so too and still think its fake but to be fair she would be a AMAZING sister for the MC too like that

 

[Vidal the king of Pervert]

The reason why myself (and I imagine others too) were surprised by Jamies's choice is because of the way I have perceived her until now. I thought she was supposed to be the constant in the MCs life, the one that could pierce through his thick skull and settle his abandonment issues. After all, she has always been constant toward the MC her whole life. A beacon for the MCs stormy seas.

It's the reason why I always felt she was better compared to Malena, who is an exceptional character and in my opinion the best model in this game but she's just as fucked up as the MC, maybe even more. Or with Ahgavni with whom the MC would always have a small seed of doubt between them.

Naturally, nobody can blame Jamie for making the choice she made. At the end of the day any choice she made, she would be coming out losing something. Such is life at times. Not to mention that it was the logical choice and she needs to live her own life. But it feels that this has removed her best trait, from MCs(and us players') point of view.

I think the problem is there are some people who would never choose a job over somebody they love

me for example when I fell in love with Milena she became my obsession

she is my everything I love her more than my own life

and I would never choose any job over her

it's not that we think Jamies a bad person or anything it's just hard for

people who think like we do to understand that way of thinking

I would rather be homeless and be with Milena

but at the end of the day I really don't care Jamie's not my girl

 

[Tuperr0]

Niceeee

 

[SaltySugar]

This update really made me dislike Jamie. Looking at it objectively, I kinda get why she would choose the job over MC, she's doing what she thinks is best for her and her career and I thinks that's completely normal btw. The problem is I'm not really looking at this objectively.

Mc is going through a really tough time, finally starts opening up and that's when she decides that she's leaving. I get that it's pretty selfish to dislike her because of that but that's where I stand on that.

Malena's the one now I guess.

 

[69Creampie]

Errr... No Incest? Ehmm... 'Looks at Chapter 4' Are you sure about that? 'Look at the LIs' I kinda think you might have been a bit hasty with that statement, No Harem, sure that one was confirmed by the Dev, and No Rape? For fuck sake what world do you live in you complain about that not being there? A story doesn't need some extreme fetishes to have sex in it and be viable.

I overlooked the tag, but if it's yet more stepcrap or incest that the MC himself doesn't take part in (ie he doesn't fuck his sister or similar) then it doesn't count. It's then just fake clickbait. And the MC is supposed to be an ADA so I find it unlikely, but crazier things than lawmakers breaking their own laws happen all the time I guess.

 

[Vidal the king of Pervert]

Malena's the one now I guess.

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