VN Ren'Py Leaving DNA [Ep. 4.3a] [Impious Monk]

[whatone]

his mothers name was Rockford so that is the only relevance I see

Dude, you've just replied to a comment from 2.5 years ago! No need to necro it.

 

[shakey5864]

Chapter 4 isn't that long if you only do that chapter and on 1 route.

For me it took another 6 hours or so for all routes that we currently know of, because I wanted to play the entire game again (because I forgot most of the plot).

I got all but 3 achievements I started over and played for 11 hours the real messed up thing is took all romantic possibilities except your half sister or a ugly fat cop or maybe really disturbed gun nut oh yeah forgot the severely handy capped witch I think should be grape anyway you play it

 

[Chillout1984]

I got all but 3 achievements I started over and played for 11 hours the real messed up thing is took all romantic possibilities except your half sister or a ugly fat cop or maybe really disturbed gun nut oh yeah forgot the severely handy capped witch I think should be grape anyway you play it

I totally disagree with you, but they say beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I really hope we will have a route where we can continue having a romantic relationship with Emmeline, but considering it's against the law in California and Rockfort is a man of principles (unless you're going the "being a dick to everyone" route imo), i unfortunately doubt it.

 

[jadepaladin]

I totally disagree with you, but they say beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I really hope we will have a route where we can continue having a romantic relationship with Emmeline, but considering it's against the law in California and Rockfort is a man of principles (unless you're going the "being a dick to everyone" route imo), i unfortunately doubt it.

Take Cassie's offer, become senator, use daddy Carrington's power to change the law, problem solved.

Sold your soul, but problem solved.

 

[Chillout1984]

Take Cassie's offer, become senator, use daddy Carrington's power to change the law, problem solved.

Sold your soul, but problem solved.

Fortunately a senator cannot just change laws on his own, and I wonder if daddy Carrington has enough power to change all laws, even the incest law.

 

[jadepaladin]

Fortunately a senator cannot just change laws on his own, and I wonder if daddy Carrington has enough power to change all laws, even the incest law.

Normally I'd agree, but with VN logic, I honestly have no idea. It's like you said though, with it being illegal, I don't see Rockford bending on it without an attempt to change the law, that would play into the political backdrop. Since this is the halfway point of the story (at best) I can't see Emmeline being written off as a LI. Daddy Carrington is set up as a major player so I wouldn't be surprised if he can grease the right palms to make changes.

 

[Chillout1984]

Normally I'd agree, but with VN logic, I honestly have no idea. It's like you said though, with it being illegal, I don't see Rockford bending on it without an attempt to change the law, that would play into the political backdrop. Since this is the halfway point of the story (at best) I can't see Emmeline being written off as a LI. Daddy Carrington is set up as a major player so I wouldn't be surprised if he can grease the right palms to make changes.

Problem is though that both changing that law and continuing the relationship with Emmeline will almost certainly hurt his relationship with Jamie beyond repair, even on a friendship level. She makes no secret of how much she hates any kind of incest.

 

[shakey5864]

Dude, you've just replied to a comment from 2.5 years ago! No need to necro it.

It took me ~1:10h -1:20h just for one route from the update. And ~20-30min for the additional route, since I was forwarding some parts. One route of the whole game from the beginning took 3h+.

what is it 37h+ or 3h+ for game but you say 3h for whole game 45m+45m+45m+45m=3h

 

[jadepaladin]

Problem is though that both changing that law and continuing the relationship with Emmeline will almost certainly hurt his relationship with Jamie beyond repair, even on a friendship level. She makes no secret of how much she hates any kind of incest.

I understand the challenge to Jamie's friendship. Might push Jamie away permanently to stay at Harvard teaching. It's too soon to tell and IM has a lot of ways this can be spun. It's gonna be a long wait for ep 5.

 

[yossa999]

what is it 37h+ or 3h+ for game but you say 3h for whole game 45m+45m+45m+45m=3h

If you mean just one route, then yes. But I play great games like this by playing at least a few routes. For example, in this update I played Em, Malena, and Jamie's routes. I plan to play Aghavni route (for the sake of the completeness) and Rockford, the Titan of Solitude, as well.

 

[sergerserj]

Daaamn! Plot in this game, so solid that all sex scenes look inappropriate

 

[misfolk]

Daaamn! Plot in this game, so solid that all sex scenes look inappropriate

I must say the scenes in ep.4 were fire. The animations looked so good they sometimes felt like mocap.

 

[Impious Monk]

I must say the scenes in ep.4 were fire. The animations looked so good they sometimes felt like mocap.

All credit for the amazing animations goes to my good friend sandem237.

 

[John972]

If you mean just one route, then yes. But I play great games like this by playing at least a few routes. For example, in this update I played Em, Malena, and Jamie's routes. I plan to play Aghavni route (for the sake of the completeness) and Rockford, the Titan of Solitude, as well.

The Aghavni route is worth it, not least because Rockford addresses his thoughts on hypothetical sibling incest specifically on that route.

 

[John972]

Take Cassie's offer, become senator, use daddy Carrington's power to change the law, problem solved.

Sold your soul, but problem solved.

Chicken and egg situation. To change any law, Rockford needs to get elected first. If the opposition digs up this new dirt on Rockford, his campaign is over. The Senate race is in California, not the likes of Alabama or West Virginia, where his i-credentials would be an asset /s

 

[jadepaladin]

Chicken and egg situation. To change any law, Rockford needs to get elected first. If the opposition digs up this new dirt on Rockford, his campaign is over. The Senate race is in California, not the likes of Alabama or West Virginia, where his i-credentials would be an asset /s

I like the chicken and egg reference.

The idealist in me says there's no way Rockford gets elected once people investigate his background. However, modern politics has taught me that anything goes.

 

[Krytax123]

Chicken and egg situation. To change any law, Rockford needs to get elected first. If the opposition digs up this new dirt on Rockford, his campaign is over. The Senate race is in California, not the likes of Alabama or West Virginia, where his i-credentials would be an asset /s

Emmeline furthermore stated to not really be interested in a high life like that.

So when he finally changed the law, the reason for it may have vanished, great opportunity for another midlife crisis!

 

[jadepaladin]

Emmeline furthermore stated to not really be interested in a high life like that.

So when he finally changed the law, the reason for it may have vanished, great opportunity for another midlife crisis!

How much do I have to throw at IM for a hidden ending where Rockford and Vega end up back together after he crashes and burns with all the main LIs? It's completely unrealistic given Vega's reasons for hating him but still.

 

[c.mork]

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[John972]

Normally I'd agree, but with VN logic, I honestly have no idea. It's like you said though, with it being illegal, I don't see Rockford bending on it without an attempt to change the law, that would play into the political backdrop. Since this is the halfway point of the story (at best) I can't see Emmeline being written off as a LI. Daddy Carrington is set up as a major player so I wouldn't be surprised if he can grease the right palms to make changes.

The beauty of this AVN is that it defies typical AVN porn logic.

Emmeline and Rockford having sex after only knowing each other for a few weeks comes across as very natural. To get that far, Rockford - via player choices - must conform to the man of her dreams - upstanding, loves children, and values family. Once those things click into place, Emmeline wants Rockford's babies.

Impious Monk set up the mansion scene with Jamie (on her path) wonderfully.

I think a lot of the initial negative feedback stems from players expecting AVN porn logic to come into play with Jamie's reaction, and IM absolutely feed into that expectation with the way he set the whole scene up from the very beginning of the game:

1. Jamie flirting with Rockford so obviously that only dense Rockford couldn't interpret the signals (I think Jamie handcuffing Rockford and having her father hold the shotgun during the wedding is the only way Rockford would have got the message /s).

2. Rockford's friends urging him to date Jamie.

3. Rockford slowly coming round, opening up, and admitting his feelings for Jamie to himself. EDIT: plus Rockford taking Jamie on a "date" to the museum [i.e. that seems to be the first time that Rockford has socialized with Jamie alone in the year they've been reunited, working in the same office].

4. The interrupted conversation between Jamie and her mother, where Jamie's mother tells her, "Honey, if that's how you really feel then there's only one choice you can really make. You don't want to spend the rest of your life regretting--" [this could reasonably be interpreted as Jamie regretting not pursuing a romantic relationship with Rockford, rather than not taking the job offer]

5. Rockford telling Jamie his true feelings and FINALLY going in for the kiss.

6. Jamie closing her eyes in anticipation of the kiss...

This is the point where most players on the Jamie path expected AVN porn logic to kick in - despite the warning signals sprinkled throughout the AVN - with Jamie kissing Rockford, telling him she's waited on this her entire life, and turning down the job offer. They then fuck repeatedly over subsequent episodes and live happy ever after.

Instead, Impious Monk pulls off a masterful bait & switch, so we get Jamie saying, "Stop". Like I said, the warning signs of this outcome are sprinkled throughout the AVN, just like the Ep 4 cliffhanger was kinda forewarned with a repeated focus on Jamie's incest trial and the multiple discussions between characters around the i-topic.

The only thing missing from the Jamie rejection scene was a sound effect of a stylus needle scratching across a record just before she uttered that chilling word. : )