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Just playing for the first time, really loving the combo of magic + Futas.

A small suggestion though: have the music be on a different audio track from the sex noises, so I can turn one while still hearing the other.
 

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Ok - why does my Week: 4 give me 'You don't think anyone needs your help...' and (Game Over)? Nothing to do the entire week? What did I miss?
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First, which route were you on? The public build only has content for the two threesome routes and Arianna's route.

Second, are you trying to use an old save from a previous build? I made changes to Week 3's Threesome Routes. If you're trying to use a Threesome Route save from an old build...it won't work. Not unless the save was from prior to Week 3.
 

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Just playing for the first time, really loving the combo of magic + Futas.

A small suggestion though: have the music be on a different audio track from the sex noises, so I can turn one while still hearing the other.
Unfortunately, that would take a pretty major overhaul at this point. It's not a bad idea. But if I do so, it will probably be part of a finish/polish step before final publish, rather than something I do while still adding content. This is actually the first time I've done sound in a serious way, so I'm still learning...and I've only tried to due multiple channels once so far. It was very awkward/cumbersome to me. And replicating that throughout what are probably a couple of hundred usages of the music channel at this point would be time-consuming, to say the least.
 

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It's that time again! A new release of Left Hand Magic is out! Build 9 was released for my $5+ patrons on the first, with Build 8 going Public in turn earlier today. Build 8 was a decent-sized build, adding 8 new scenes, plus some overhauls and extra content throughout the early game. The just-released Build 9 is a larger-than-usual build, containing 10 new scenes, with 13 new animations spread between them. Build 8 mostly confused on Arianna and Trix, with Build 9 then pivoting to work on Revina and Talia's routes. Check the release notes for more details!



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Left Hand Magic Build 9 Release Notes:

This build added 10 scenes, with 13 new animations, covering new Week 4 content for Revina and Talia, as well as some additional early-game content for Revina and Arianna. Included are:

- All 4 Weekday Scenes for Talia's Week 4 Route

- 3 Weekday Scenes for Revina's Week 4 Route

- An alternate set of sex animations for Arianna's Weekend 2 date.

- An alternate set of sex animations for Revina's Weekend 3 Event.

- An additional Sub Point option added to Revina's Week 2 content. To help with submissive MC's on the Trix/Revina threesome route.

- Gallery and Credits updates

- Typo and Bug Fixes

- 1 Known Issue (minor): Arianna's Gallery is out of order. I got Talia's and Revina's in order, but didn't have the time/energy to sort Arianna's out.
 

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Is it possible to just avoid all the futa stuff or does the game force player to do those as well?
Nothing in the game is really forced on the player, the only thing not possible is a celibate run because for certain key events it is necessary to have developed a deeper bond with whatever character you enjoy most & this game is a lewd game by default, the sexual aspect of the respective romances is always part of the whole package.
 

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Nothing in the game is really forced on the player, the only thing not possible is a celibate run because for certain key events it is necessary to have developed a deeper bond with whatever character you enjoy most & this game is a lewd game by default, the sexual aspect of the respective romances is always part of the whole package.
Never understood why people would even want to avoid porn in a porn game.
It seems as soon as "Sandbox" is included as a tag that is what a few players are going for.
 
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Never understood why people would even want to avoid porn in a porn game.
It seems as soon as "Sandbox" is included as a tag that is what a few players are going for.
It depends on what the game is about & what other content is there I would assume, sometimes games even offer different endings depending on that type of decision so I can see the reasons. Personally I don't really see a point to play porn games that are solely about stuff I don't find enjoyable to begin with but on the other hand if the gameplay is enjoyable and there's like 1 single path I don't hate - even if it means missing out on the majority of porn content - I'd probably not be completely against giving the game a go.
 

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Is it possible to avoid the Glory Hole Scenes (Arianna's Route)? If not, it's a shame her route can't be pure lesbian.
 

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Is it possible to just avoid all the futa stuff or does the game force player to do those as well?
It should be. The only futa character is Talia (the tiefling), so avoiding her route will eliminate 95% of the futa content. There are a couple of other scenes where the player can take a potion to temporarily become a futa, or else feed one to someone else to have them become one (again temporary). I believe there is one such scene each in the Revina Route and the Revina/Trix Threesome Route. So if you wanted to 100% avoid absolutely anything futa you'd have to skip on those routes as well. That would leave the Trix Solo Route and Arianna Solo Route both being 100% Futa Free. With the Revina and Revina/Trix Routes have just those single scenes. The Talia and Talia/Arianna routes obviously have a lot of it, since Talia is the only permanently futa character.

Is it possible to avoid the Glory Hole Scenes (Arianna's Route)? If not, it's a shame her route can't be pure lesbian.
*makes a so-so gesture* Depending on Dom/Sub stats, you can avoid the actual sex. But not the blowjob portion. I'm not actually 100% happy with the way that scene works currently. Long term, I'm thinking I'll switch it to give the player an outright option, possibly with an option just to skip. For now, however, it is what it is since it's near the current end of her Route. Since her route's whole thing to be 'hypnotised' and do things you might not normally, I'm struggling to figure out out how to balance immersion versus player agency on this one.
 
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Is it possible to avoid the Glory Hole Scenes (Arianna's Route)? If not, it's a shame her route can't be pure lesbian.
Thanks for the heads up, I would have been very unhappy running into that, it's a bit sad to drop out the route entirely but this way at least I can avoid it all together.
 
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Thanks for the heads up, I would have been very unhappy running into that, it's a bit sad to drop out the route entirely but this way at least I can avoid it all together.
After some feedback from an extremely helpful player on Patreon, I'm planning to overhaul that scene to change it to a format that will allow you to skip even the blowjob portion. It won't be in the game until the next build of course (and not in the public build until the release after that). But, eventually, you'll be able to bypass it or choose an alternate scene.
 
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After some feedback from an extremely helpful player on Patreon, I'm planning to overhaul that scene to change it to a format that will allow you to skip even the blowjob portion. It won't be in the game until the next build of course (and not in the public build until the release after that). But, eventually, you'll be able to bypass it or choose an alternate scene.
Thank you so much! If I may say so to me it seems more in character for Arianna to not force something like that on a (potentially?) lesbian or just in general someone who for whatever reason might not be okay with the whole thing so having something else as an alternative or at least a way to tell her off in that scene appears more in tune with her not being a nasty person, aside from obviously me just not liking m/f stuff. I'm pretty happy rn, not being able to continue Arianna's route would have been "fine" (as in ofc the game would still be awesome, personal disappointment about 1 of multiple paths is not a reason to enjoy the rest any less) but as I wrote before all routes are great in their own right, and her route (playing as more of a submissive protag) had my favorite 2nd weekend event all in all. Or, well at least it's a close call between hers and Talia's.
 

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Thank you so much! If I may say so to me it seems more in character for Arianna to not force something like that on a (potentially?) lesbian or just in general someone who for whatever reason might not be okay with the whole thing so having something else as an alternative or at least a way to tell her off in that scene appears more in tune with her not being a nasty person, aside from obviously me just not liking m/f stuff. I'm pretty happy rn, not being able to continue Arianna's route would have been "fine" (as in ofc the game would still be awesome, personal disappointment about 1 of multiple paths is not a reason to enjoy the rest any less) but as I wrote before all routes are great in their own right, and her route (playing as more of a submissive protag) had my favorite 2nd weekend event all in all. Or, well at least it's a close call between hers and Talia's.
Yeah. My original issue was that I wasn't sure if being given a choice would ruin the 'feel' of playing a submissive character for people. If I gave the player too much agency, I was afraid it wouldn't feel immersive. Particularly with the hypno component. I was on the fence about if the loss of control feeling was more important to submissive players than the choice to avoid M/F content. A submissive lesbian player contacted me about the scene and was extremely helpful in providing me with feedback about that.

I admit, I'm a little unsure how to handle the Arianna Route in the long run, though. The Hypno Drone kink that my Patrons voted for giving Arianna's Route sort of leans into the idea of her being given orders like in that scene. And some of the examples I gave Patrons when they voted for it were unquestionably M/F leaned. I'm unsure if I'll be able to keep her route 100% lesbian-friendly in the long haul. Honestly, Revina and Trix were really supposed to be the more pure lesbian routes. But both have a futa encounter or two (temporary transformations or Trix's Weekend 1 Solution with Talia). I'm not currently sure how it's all going to play out, to be honest. I need to take a good hard look at what I was planning for Arianna to see if there's a way to support her for pure lesbian playthroughs without too much extra work. Or if I'd be better off providing alternates for Trix and Revina so that those put off by even temporary futa transformations can enjoy those as the lesbian routes of the game...
 

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Yeah. My original issue was that I wasn't sure if being given a choice would ruin the 'feel' of playing a submissive character for people. If I gave the player too much agency, I was afraid it wouldn't feel immersive. Particularly with the hypno component. I was on the fence about if the loss of control feeling was more important to submissive players than the choice to avoid M/F content. A submissive lesbian player contacted me about the scene and was extremely helpful in providing me with feedback about that.

I admit, I'm a little unsure how to handle the Arianna Route in the long run, though. The Hypno Drone kink that my Patrons voted for giving Arianna's Route sort of leans into the idea of her being given orders like in that scene. And some of the examples I gave Patrons when they voted for it were unquestionably M/F leaned. I'm unsure if I'll be able to keep her route 100% lesbian-friendly in the long haul. Honestly, Revina and Trix were really supposed to be the more pure lesbian routes. But both have a futa encounter or two (temporary transformations or Trix's Weekend 1 Solution with Talia). I'm not currently sure how it's all going to play out, to be honest. I need to take a good hard look at what I was planning for Arianna to see if there's a way to support her for pure lesbian playthroughs without too much extra work. Or if I'd be better off providing alternates for Trix and Revina so that those put off by even temporary futa transformations can enjoy those as the lesbian routes of the game...
I understand your dilemma, I can only speak from my own perspective and in my eyes forcing a lesbian to have sex with guys through hypnosis is absolutely abhorrent & seems like a purely hetero male thing to fantasize about, so in my personal opinion it just doesn't really fit a female character much to begin with, at least not one that is supposedly romantically interested in the protagonist. I feel as if that crosses boundaries that should 100% be unquestionably respected.
Getting the protag to do these things feels more like service to those npcs than something that happens for the enjoyment of Arianna, but even less so for the protagonist. I feel like it would be highly immersion breaking.
This is of course just my personal opinion & the factor workload on your end is not really something that can be overestimated as a factor, so if you say you do agree it's not a great route in a way, but at the same time don't feel like you can spare the time and mind to write alternatives for things than I don't see how I could argue against that.
It would be fairly sad, not gonna lie, but in the end it is your decision to make and I don't envy your position.
I can't deny though that I do agree the other routes also don't necessarily qualify as strictly lesbian either, I don't mind futa stuff in games at all but I fully understand why it's a no go to others, so having that on I think every route so far sure will make some people fairly unhappy.

But forcefully introducing male npcs as unavoidable sex partners just takes it even further. I know I'm not one of your patreons, I do understand 100% why their input is something you really have to keep in mind, but even if I push aside my personal feelings about such things aside (or try my hardest, at least) I truly think that it will not benefit your game quality wise if you have that sort of rather derisive content as an unavoidable part in Arianna's route. A route that strolls away from being focused on the enjoyment of the 2 characters involved and instead shifts towards something that, realistically speaking, is mostly just service for an outside crowd of heterosexual male voyeurs or (focusing on the game world) serves primarily anonymous male npcs with no real ties to the story anyway feels really off. I don't wanna say you shouldn't head your patreon's wishes, I want to explain why I think it wouldn't take away from the dom/sub dynamic if you offer a different route for people not fine with the male sex partners. I mean part of the reason why I'm so invested here is that the thought of loosing out on a sub-route (playing a dominant protag isn't my cup of tea really) hits harder than otherwise, especially since Arianna's sub route is probably my favorite as a whole, the tone works best for me & she is the most appealing romance option from a design perspective. I'm sorry if I am a bit annoying about things. x.x
Revina & Thalia have great routes, but I'm mostly smitten with their personalities and the events on their route, appearance wise they can't hold the candle to Ariana (just personal preferences ofc) so I'm thinking more about this whole affair than I should, I guess. It's fine if you tell me to shut up about it ofc, thanks for even bothering yourself with discussing this with me at all.

Personally it seems to me as if providing alternatives to Ariannas scenes would make kinda more sense than alternatives to the other scenes because those changes are actually more based on a dissonance with ingame stuff and immersion than the others, but you have to do what feels right to yourself & what doesn't mean you bury yourself beneath a ton of extra work.

I hope me trying to speak my mind and make an argument for what I feel would be kinda important to preserve doesn't come across as me trying to belittle you. I will respect whatever decision you make, it's just that your game got me really hooked here and to me it would mean a lot if the Arianna route had an alternative path where the protag can tell her being forced to have sex with men is an absolute and unconditional no-go. The dub-con sharing stuff already is kinda a steep step, I would say, not sure why it would have to be pushed even further into a highly questionable direction. :censored:

Edit: I need to add that as a submissive in a dom/sub relationship the certainty that your dom will not cross boundaries - and laying out said boundaries - are a very crucial part of a healthy dom/sub relationship. Normally that's where a safeword comes in, but when you add hypnosis to the equation that obviously becomes a bit difficult, so setting boundaries and being capable of fully trusting the other to respect them is a must, not a can. The lack of that is far worse (in regards to immersion as well) than a dom that doesn't force the sub to do stuff they don't want to do. That is actually more of an abusive thing to do than anything else.

Edit 2: I got half a mind to offer to write alternatives to the Arianna scenes (if the writing and not the visualization is what would eat up your time, which I'm afraid is the actually very time consuming part) and edit them a 100 times, if necessary, until you are satisfied with my work & I also don't care for any credit, so...if that is actually something that would solve your dilemma let me know. I'm not a professional writer but I have 14 years of writing experience, so if you give me clear orders what you envision/need I'll try my best. Also I 100% understand if you say that's not really a help or just don't feel like it, no reasons required. I'm just trying to express how important that issue is to me. Feel free to tell me that it's a dumb idea by the way, it probably really is, I just don't know what else I can offer on my end, since I feel really not great about being like "oh yeah, this and that and that and this are my thoughts/problems, now gibs solution". You already are such a considerate person and obviously you truly care about finding ways to make as many players happy as possible.
 
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I understand your dilemma, I can only speak from my own perspective and in my eyes forcing a lesbian to have sex with guys through hypnosis is absolutely abhorrent & seems like a purely hetero male thing to fantasize about, so in my personal opinion it just doesn't really fit a female character much to begin with, at least not one that is supposedly romantically interested in the protagonist. I feel as if that crosses boundaries that should 100% be unquestionably respected.
Getting the protag to do these things feels more like service to those npcs than something that happens for the enjoyment of Arianna, but even less so for the protagonist. I feel like it would be highly immersion breaking.
This is of course just my personal opinion & the factor workload on your end is not really something that can be overestimated as a factor, so if you say you do agree it's not a great route in a way, but at the same time don't feel like you can spare the time and mind to write alternatives for things than I don't see how I could argue against that.
It would be fairly sad, not gonna lie, but in the end it is your decision to make and I don't envy your position.
I can't deny though that I do agree the other routes also don't necessarily qualify as strictly lesbian either, I don't mind futa stuff in games at all but I fully understand why it's a no go to others, so having that on I think every route so far sure will make some people fairly unhappy.

But forcefully introducing male npcs as unavoidable sex partners just takes it even further. I know I'm not one of your patreons, I do understand 100% why their input is something you really have to keep in mind, but even if I push aside my personal feelings about such things aside (or try my hardest, at least) I truly think that it will not benefit your game quality wise if you have that sort of rather derisive content as an unavoidable part in Arianna's route. A route that strolls away from being focused on the enjoyment of the 2 characters involved and instead shifts towards something that, realistically speaking, is mostly just service for an outside crowd of heterosexual male voyeurs or (focusing on the game world) serves primarily anonymous male npcs with no real ties to the story anyway feels really off. I don't wanna say you shouldn't head your patreon's wishes, I want to explain why I think it wouldn't take away from the dom/sub dynamic if you offer a different route for people not fine with the male sex partners. I mean part of the reason why I'm so invested here is that the thought of loosing out on a sub-route (playing a dominant protag isn't my cup of tea really) hits harder than otherwise, especially since Arianna's sub route is probably my favorite as a whole, the tone works best for me & she is the most appealing romance option from a design perspective. I'm sorry if I am a bit annoying about things. x.x
...You would be right, except that you've made a faulty assumption. Namely, that the MC or Arianna are, either one of them, designed to be pure lesbian. Arianna was explicitly designed to be pansexual from the start, not lesbian. She'd never have fit into her threesome route if she was pure lesbian. In the same way, there are multiple places in the story where it is either outright stated or simply implied that the MC is (or at least was during her University day) bi-sexual. Again, a choice I made at the start so that the Talia and Talia/Arianna routes didn't seem out of place. I've done my best to allow players to choose to act on the idea of a purely lesbian playthrough. But the characters were never intended to be purely lesbian. Ironically, only Talia could be called such, assuming you identify her as female.

I hope me trying to speak my mind and make an argument for what I feel would be kinda important to preserve doesn't come across as me trying to belittle you. I will respect whatever decision you make, it's just that your game got me really hooked here and to me it would mean a lot if the Arianna route had an alternative path where the protag can tell her being forced to have sex with men is an absolute and unconditional no-go. The dub-con sharing stuff already is kinda a steep step, I would say, not sure why it would have to be pushed even further into a highly questionable direction. :censored:
I don't mind the feedback at all. But I can't promise to always provide solutions. With Haven's Port it's a lot easier to make alternate paths. With an animated VN there's a lot more work involved in doing so. I also have to point out that in no way does the route represent Dub-Con. In-game, it's made very very clear that Arianna embedded safewords in the hypnosis. And, even as the player, you're intentionally choosing to engage in a hypnosis route where the main character is consenting at every step to the hypnosis (Mira has to lower her mental shields every time for the device to even work!).

Edit: I need to add that as a submissive in a dom/sub relationship the certainty that your dom will not cross boundaries - and laying out said boundaries - are a very crucial part of a healthy dom/sub relationship. Normally that's where a safeword comes in, but when you add hypnosis to the equation that obviously becomes a bit difficult, so setting boundaries and being capable of fully trusting the other to respect them is a must, not a can. The lack of that is far worse (in regards to immersion as well) than a dom that doesn't force the sub to do stuff they don't want to do. That is actually more of an abusive thing to do than anything else.
Even in the hypnosis, Arianna embedded safewords. But this is a visual novel, meaning that to a certain degree the MC's personality has to be locked down in order to keep the story coherent.

Edit 2: I got half a mind to offer to write alternatives to the Arianna scenes (if the writing and not the visualization is what would eat up your time, which I'm afraid is the actually very time consuming part) and edit them a 100 times, if necessary, until you are satisfied with my work & I also don't care for any credit, so...if that is actually something that would solve your dilemma let me know. I'm not a professional writer but I have 14 years of writing experience, so if you give me clear orders what you envision/need I'll try my best. Also I 100% understand if you say that's not really a help or just don't feel like it, no reasons required. I'm just trying to express how important that issue is to me. Feel free to tell me that it's a dumb idea by the way, it probably really is, I just don't know what else I can offer on my end, since I feel really not great about being like "oh yeah, this and that and that and this are my thoughts/problems, now gibs solution". You already are such a considerate person and obviously you truly care about finding ways to make as many players happy as possible.
Unfortunately, that's not at all the issue. The writing portion of Left Hand Magic takes like, 3-4 days. The programming takes another 2-4. The entire rest of the month is making and rendering the visual assets. That's the big bottleneck, which prevents me from just making route variants that everyone can be happy with.

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At the end of the day, it's likely that I'll put a poll up for my patrons, to see how they want Arianna's story to progress. They wanted the hypnosis/drone fetish added to Arianna. All of the characters had multiple options put up to vote and the results were that Trix got Pet Play, Arianna got Consentual Hypnosis-Drone play, Talia got Cosplay (that one actually surprised me the most), and Arianna simply got an amplification of the Bondage theme that all the characters have some level of. If patrons want Arianna's route to have the consensual hypnosis + remain lesbian, that's doable. But it will end up being up to them.
 
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It's that time again! A new release of Left Hand Magic is out! late-night on the 31st, with the . Build 10 was fairly normally sized, 120+ new still renders, 10 new animations, for a total of six new scenes altogether. The low total number of scenes this time is because four of those scenes are the Weekend 4 Events for Arianna, Talia, Trix, and the Revina/Trix/MC Threesome route. Weekend events are quite a bit longer than regular scenes, typically. Hence so many renders and animations for so few scenes ;-). The other two scenes of the build are intended as 'general' events you can do during the weekdays of week 4 (and future weeks for that matter), if you run out of 'route' scenes you qualify for.

Build 9, the new public build, was a somewhat larger than usual build. It contains 10 new scenes, with 13 new animations spread between them. It added a few more early game scenes to continue balancing the Dom/Sub balance issues with a few routes, while also advancing Talia and Revina's Week 4 content to match Trix and Arianna's. Check the release notes for more details.

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Build 10 focused on rounding out Week 4. Two events were added as additional things to do during week 4, if you run out of Route content without running out of days. Currently those don't have support for the route with the MC in chastity. I'll likely add an alternate version, or alternate events, to support that in the long run. The other four events of the build are all Weekend Events, which means all four of those are Large/Long in a way that weekday events are not. Hence whey there are only 6 total new 'scenes' in the build. Those scenes have 10 new animations, and 120+ new still renders, so it's a pretty hefty build, despite the low apparent number of 'scenes.' Included in the build are:

- 2 New Scenes for Week 4 Weekdays. Accessible only on the last two days of the week, if you meet their requirements.

- Arianna's Weekend 4 Scene

- Talia's Weekend 4 Scene

- Trix's Weekend 4 Scene

- The Revina/Trix/MC threesome route Weekend 4 Scene

- An overhaul of Arianna's Gloryhole scene in Week 4 to make it skippable (partially or fully).

-Bugfixes/Typo correction

- Credits Updated

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