"To be honest, if we reach this goal we won't be working much more than we do now (we're already 12+ hours/day in front of the screen), but we certainly won't have any itching worries while we work. And that would be pretty awesome!" this is quoted directly from their patreon page u can choose to believe them or not on the 12+hrs/day thats my neutral point. Now my actual opinion is look at steam and all the early access games and come back to me on how long they took to get to the early access version and how much was done afterwards. Same story different asshole situation, each thread on this site has at least one or 2 of these same gripes with development pace.
- Thread starter Alexander Krisnov
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- Apr 16, 2018
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i dont have problems with mega. they put a limit of 200mb. if you want to download a file bigger than 200mb you have to buy premium. and this limitation is daily means that if you download 4 files that is 50mb each your limit is finished.
u mean 200mb limit without making an account? ive never had an issue with mega downloads with my free account
It reminds me of the shit that happened with "Malise and the machine" which last major update was in October of 2016 and the patreon is still profiting $5,145 per month, I think that to much donations money is a big incentive for leeching instead of working in the game, just like those google engineers who were paid so much that retired themselves for the rest of their lives instead of ending their work in a project.
- May 31, 2018
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Dunno if I'd call it a business model. They're basically asking people to front them money, and folks are willing to do it. In other places on the internet, folks successfully ask for money for better reasons and for worse reasons.
The internet just makes it very easy to take advantage of the willingness of certain people to part with a small amount of money for not much in the way of returns. Back before the internet was the thing it is today, the stoner of your group would point out that if he could somehow convince a million people to give him just one dollar, then he'd be a millionaire. Never mind that the guy had no idea how to get people to actually give him their money other than just asking for it. Well, you can kinda do that on the internet these days.
As far as I know, donating on Patreon doesn't create any contractual agreement between the patron and the artist, so the consequences for failure on a dev's part to deliver don't necessarily amount to much, assuming they don't feel the need to maintain goodwill.
The internet just makes it very easy to take advantage of the willingness of certain people to part with a small amount of money for not much in the way of returns. Back before the internet was the thing it is today, the stoner of your group would point out that if he could somehow convince a million people to give him just one dollar, then he'd be a millionaire. Never mind that the guy had no idea how to get people to actually give him their money other than just asking for it. Well, you can kinda do that on the internet these days.
As far as I know, donating on Patreon doesn't create any contractual agreement between the patron and the artist, so the consequences for failure on a dev's part to deliver don't necessarily amount to much, assuming they don't feel the need to maintain goodwill.
I don't know their workflow but as a programmer and Freelance 3D Animator myself I make above average the amount most people would, assuming I always find clients and finish my work on time. I don't get paid monthly, I get paid per project. Sometimes certain 20-30 second commercials I work on last 2-3 months because on top of lighting and animation, rendering a frame in 1080p takes a fuckload of time. While I do agree that 1 years worth of development should have yielded more results I think the development speed was affected by the devs underestimating the scope of the project they initiated.
I don't pledge to patreon porn games so I don't really have the right to complain but I follow their development cycles intently, it's good bench marking for me. Point is, let people who want to use their money use it, If they have the capability to pay creators with their own paycheck who am I to tell them not to? They're most likely self sustaining adults with money to burn on the side. They can judge for themselves whether its a scam or not, they can pull out if they want to too. The Devs are trying, I can tell that much based on their Trello and development cycles. Unless we know exactly what their process is I don't think it's fair to call them "Scammers" for not delivering the game at a pace people expect because they ARE delivering a promising game. Just Amateurs that want to make a good game but lack the fundamentals to be consistent.
I don't pledge to patreon porn games so I don't really have the right to complain but I follow their development cycles intently, it's good bench marking for me. Point is, let people who want to use their money use it, If they have the capability to pay creators with their own paycheck who am I to tell them not to? They're most likely self sustaining adults with money to burn on the side. They can judge for themselves whether its a scam or not, they can pull out if they want to too. The Devs are trying, I can tell that much based on their Trello and development cycles. Unless we know exactly what their process is I don't think it's fair to call them "Scammers" for not delivering the game at a pace people expect because they ARE delivering a promising game. Just Amateurs that want to make a good game but lack the fundamentals to be consistent.
Right. There's a cutoff at some point, I've hit it, but it's in the order of GBs with the free account. I paid MEGA one single time like $10 I think because I downloaded like 10GB worth of stuff in one day or something.
You're absolutely right, my dude. People can do whatever they want with their money, that is most definitely their right, and I am fully aware of how long it takes to render frames and the back and forth that go into it. I dicked around in AutoCAD MAYA for several months for shits and gigs just to get a general idea of how much work goes into such things and developed a great deal of respect for people like you in the industry.
That, however, does not make it ethical for people to take that money and not deliver what they promised for said money (and to reply to another poster, it is dead obvious that 12+ hour a day figure they threw out is a lie, and if there's one lie, I guarantee you'll find more). It doesn't matter whether or not Patreon penalizes the creators when they don't meet their fans' expectations; it is morally and ethically WRONG to accept finances and not fulfill that obligation. Patreon, Kickstarter, and Go Fund Me were all great ideas in theory, but they all suffer from the same fatal flaw: the human element, namely the willingness of certain members of society to take advantage of certain other members of society for personal gain.
I don't donate regularly to any Patreon because I believe in paying for work done, not work promised due to the industry I am a part of. I too regularly and intently follow the update cycles of several projects and throw cash at them here and there for particularly good updates. The spirit of that ideal is why F95 is a thing in the first place: play before you pay (and we're all aware there's members on here that never contribute a single buck and still bitch and moan like they're owed free work for nothing, and that's wrong, but the inverse of that is just as wrong). It protects the consumers.
At the end of the day, this is just a silly porn game. Far more important things for folks to get the pitchforks out over, and these guys' bullshit doesn't really effect any of us in a real way except maybe some folks losing $10 here and there. But if the idea of some sadsack sitting in front of computer doing fuck all every day all day and making shit tons of money off the kindness of misguided strangers doesn't upset you at least a little, then it should.
EDIT: And I would also like to add that everyone, regardless of income, deserves a good work/life balance no matter what they're doing. I don't expect anyone, even people making $120,000 a year, to sit 12+ hours a day, 7 days a week in front of ANYTHING. It kills the mind and body. Some weeks you work 20 hours, others you work 60+, but that is the key: you consistently WORK. And I think it's obvious this project is anything other than consistent.
There was a poll a few weeks ago that asked patrons for smaller monthly updates or wait 2 months for more content, they chose bimonthly updates. The dev has been fairly transparent with his streams and update posts sure u can say they are not giving enough content for the patrons money but to outright call them liars and scammers is something u shud bring up with patreon as a whole and their methods of protecting their patrons rather than directly targetting this one dev. As i said in my earlier post there are tons of threads here all with patreon projects with same issue. As u said urself that these crowdfunding sites are flawed then push it to them to fix the flaw like every other issue of human society go for root of the problem or dont waste ur own time getting bothered by it.
- Jun 16, 2017
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what a boring game you most walk around and look for the right tent to progress the story andif you dont remember where every npc lives it takes a while so lame
- Jan 16, 2017
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Maybe they should set the patreon billing stuff per release.
Maybe that will push them to actually do content.
Maybe that will push them to actually do content.
Can anyone tell me about the current cheats for this game, I wanna increase lust and maybe increase the speed when playing. It is a great game but the time spent traveling and trying to unlock anything is too much. I tried to work with the lust value, input "100", and then once it increased to 110 I tried to input that but no results on cheat engine.
- Jun 1, 2017
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To anyone bitching, I continue to point out the fact that the furry community seems to be very dedicated and have no qualms throwing money at just about each and every project that comes along. You saw the same with Breeding Season, now Nimbus Ranch or whatever, and any other game featuring furry content. It's just that for the niche they have some seriously dedicated (and I think a high margin of people with autism) that are willing to drop piles of cash on the fursuits, commissions of their character on DA, and any furry oriented games.
Unfortunately, the only way I can see to fix that is actually have more furry content, so that the market for it stabilizes. As is, there are so few makers of the stuff that they each get piles of money thrown at them.
Unfortunately, the only way I can see to fix that is actually have more furry content, so that the market for it stabilizes. As is, there are so few makers of the stuff that they each get piles of money thrown at them.
Yeah my dude, you're probably spot on. Which makes shit like this and the ancient history that is Hightail Hall so much more disgusting.
Any way to edit her clothes in the editor, or does she always have to walk around with those clothes?
