Recommending Lesbian Protagonist Games List

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I think it's funny how the so-called "straight games" have close-up scenes and focus on dicks all the time. I don't think gay games are as gay as some straight games
I mean some games really overdo it, but to be fair, mostly you simply just see the male MCs POV and especially the straight male target audience do immerse themselves into the straight male MC as if they are the MC and not just an observer from a third person perspective. I mean some even do not play straight female protagonists games if it's portrait in first person (visually and in terms of writing) because they don't want to be a woman and fucked by a man. In the same sense they don't see the POV man, but kinda step into the character. Or maybe some straight guys are simply not as straight as they thought they are but can't accept the fact for whatever reasons.
 
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Beggarman

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relly is that hard? i dont even know about art, is not my "signature", but i though it would be easy to just take tthe male mc and change him for a female and the text refering him to refering her and the rest the same, idk imagine a dating my daughter but is a mother, and thats it alll the same, idk, really not my area
If you really don't care about quality, you can do it, it's just that it won't be good unless you put a lot of effort in, and that effort is nearly identical to what you'd have put in to making your own game. I'll stick with Ren'Py games for this, as they're probably the easiest to edit and are easily over half the games people would consider editing anyway:

Changing the text is fairly easy - it's all stored just as plain text once you decompile the game, you can rewrite and change text to your heart's content. Just skimming through all the text and changing any reference of a male MC to a female MC would be simple. But if you want it to be good, then you do have to think about whether the overall story makes sense anymore, and whether each scene makes sense. I've played very little of Dating My Daughter so I'm not sure how far the sex goes, but to take it as an example: Changing the MC to be the girl's Mother would remove some of the gender-based friction about, say, whether it's OK for them to be in the bathroom while she's showering, or whether they share a bed. It wouldn't make sense for the Daughter to give her Mother a blowjob (y'know, unless she's a Futa or w/e) or worry about getting pregnant. There's also way less chance of them having to worry about what people think about them going out on "dates." Again, some of this you could just half-arse and take out some of the relevant text, but you'd be better off actually shaping the story in a way where this flows organically, which means rewriting big chunks of it.

Artwork is a bit more dependant on what's being edited:
  • The character sprites (the stock character images in most VN's where the MC stands on the left and the talked-to character stands on the right) can be swapped out easily and wouldn't be a problem at all. Only issue is matching the existing style, drawn or rendered.
  • Drawn CG (i.e. the whole-screen stuff that is a pre-made image) has less issues editing than renders, but still requires a competent artist able to match the style reasonably well. Drawn art has a much higher barrier to entry though skill-wise, so unless You are the artist, expect to be paying good money to get someone to edit, if they'll even agree to that (there's a good chance they won't, even with explicit permission from the original artist). You may also have to make whole new art if making a scene that can't be edited/doesn't otherwise make sense (e.g. changing a blowjob scene to cunnilingus) but this might actually be easier with drawn stuff.
  • Rendered CG is far more complicated. The barrier to entry is much, much lower, sure, but when editing or combining work from different people, even a half-arsed attempt takes a decent amount of effort and skill to not look really out-of-place. For one, you're going to be have to be good enough to at least halfway match the lighting each scene (which is harder than it looks - frankly most people can't get the lighting right to begin with), but beyond that:
    • For images where nobody interacts, you'll need to either:
      • Make sure the pose that the new MC takes totally covers up the old MC, which (unless the new MC is also a giantess), is going to lead to a weird scenario where the MC looks huge or other characters look small, and this could be a problem if it also makes the other character look too young as a result.
      • Also be good at image editing so that you can scrub the original MC out of the image, and make a normal-looking MC, but even this can only go so far (unless they're the only scenes in the game), as...
    • For images where people do interact (hugging, kissing, etc) you're basically going to have to redo the entire render. Even if you have some god-tier image editing and posing/rendering skills, there's just not much you can do to make every scene compatible. Which means recreating the other models involved to a decent degree of accuracy. And getting the same room setup. And so on.
So yeah, that's basically what I mean - If you want to do it well, you're going to be rewriting decent chunks of story (which, as someone who's primarily a writer, is not the source of most of the work in these games), and either hiring an artist (expensive, and even more time-consuming than usual to find someone who matches style and will do the work) if you aren't one yourself, or remaking basically all the game's assets and re-doing a decent number of the renders. At that point, you may as well just make a game yourself.

The problem with lesbian tag it's not always clear what is meant. Lesbian as main focus? Or just optional content, side content, maybe even just two side characters that appear only once. Or false tags that say lesbian but actually mean bisexual. It's often too vague or people use it too frequently. Bisexual is not lesbian. Why not tagging bisexual then.
To be fair to most game authors, the site doesn't have a Bisexual tag, as far as I'm aware. I would be all for some additional ones (e.g. Lesbian/Gay/Bisexual Protagonist, in the same vein as the Male/Female protag ones; "Lesbian/Gay Only" and/or "Primarily Lesbian/Gay" for general content) although it would also be nice if the overviews stated "this game is mainly lesbian/gay content" or w/e. The only argument I can really see against it is that it means a lot of old games would need re-tagging for this, and there's a decent risk they won't be and they'll just be forgotten about. Hell, I'm pretty sure this is already a problem - I'm pretty sure there's some very old games which only have some basic protag tags with no content updates.
 
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The only argument I can really see against it is that it means a lot of old games would need re-tagging for this, and there's a decent risk they won't be and they'll just be forgotten about.
Unless you make the ruling not be retroactive and only apply to games moving forwards. It's a tinge awkward, sure, but for understandable reasons.
 

doidera

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I mean some games really overdo it, but to be fair, mostly you simply just see the male MCs POV and especially the straight male target audience do immerse themselves into the straight male MC as if they are the MC and not just an observer from a third person perspective. I mean some even do not play straight female protagonists games if it's portrait in first person (visually and in terms of writing) because they don't want to be a woman and fucked by a man. In the same sense they don't see the POV man, but kinda step into the character. Or maybe some straight guys are simply not as straight as they thought they are but can't accept the fact for whatever reasons.
It would only be POV if the supposed guy is bent over and almost kissing his own dick's head. The scene is too close to be a simple POV, it's a thing focused on showing the dick in the smallest details. It's funny and weird at the same time. Something like this
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Beggarman

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Unless you make the ruling not be retroactive and only apply to games moving forwards. It's a tinge awkward, sure, but for understandable reasons.
My issue is more that people coming in without knowing the lore won't know that the tag's relatively new. People may search for it, find not much, and just assume there's no games out there for them. This might not be too much of a problem for Lesbian game fans considering this list is a good starting point for reporting the tag for inclusion, but I don't know if equivalent lists exist for Bi/Gay fans. That said, Gay content doesn't seem to come up out of it's own niche as much as Lesbian does, and I'm not actually sure if a Bisexual Protagonist is something people specifically look for in a game anyway, so maybe it's not as much of a problem as I'm expecting.
 

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Like I said a few pages back, it mystifies me that so many straight guys want to see dicks. To me, there's nothing that turns me off more than a man in the scene even if I'm supposed to be projecting myself onto him. I saw a game the other day with male protagonist, and one of the previews was an animation - an animation! - of him having a wank. No females in the scene. Mind-boggling.

I noticed it because one of the first viewable scenes in my game is the (female) MC masturbating. Which of those two things should straight males want to watch? Well clearly the dick one, apparently!
 

Beggarman

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Yeah, that baffles me too. My opinion on dicks can vary a lot, but even in a scenario which plays into some kinks I like and uses them well, most of the time I don't want to see them all that much. It's not even like you can get as much out of it as with the revelation of, say, some kind of weird and scary-looking sex toy. I guess you can do a giant dong reveal once, maybe? Or a small dick reveal for comedy or SPH purposes? Although that doesn't really count as a straight vanilla dude thing. I guess I could see the masturbation scene being played for laughs or to set up the character as pathetic*, but if not, that just strikes me as a bit weird.

*which I also don't really get in porn games in general. I'm not sure if it's supposed to hark back to Leisure Suit Larry or something? An admission of low effort on the story front? Playing into some sort of shame kink?
 

red_faced

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relly is that hard? i dont even know about art, is not my "signature", but i though it would be easy to just take tthe male mc and change him for a female and the text refering him to refering her and the rest the same, idk imagine a dating my daughter but is a mother, and thats it alll the same, idk, really not my area
Posing and rendering is time-consuming, especially when you're using something like Daz Studio instead of a real-time engine like Koikatsu.

If you don't believe me, though, definitely give it a try yourself.
 
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Kass/\ndra

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Nothing wrong that there are people who love trans content or futanari content
Yes, that's fine, and I'm sure people will find games with the content they are looking for, but why do they always have to demand that very content in other games that are clearly not about whatever they want?
I fully understand that these are specific niches where the choice of games is not that great, but the same is unfortunately true for other genres, and that's why I can't understand this sometimes absolutely ignorant attitude of some people who go into threads on games of other niche genres and demand that their preferred content must be featured there as well.

In my opinion, there is another major problem with games featuring lesbian-only content, and that is the fact that so many users here don't even consider them as a genre in its own right, but as some kind of bonus content in games that are usually aimed at a straight male audience, and which also only ever take this perspective.
Additionally, there is the already so often mentioned misuse of the lesbian tag, that is added to any game in which two female characters interact in any way sexually with each other and in most cases also with a male (main) character involved.
How one gets the absurd idea of attributing this to lesbianism and why a bi-sexual tag is not used in these cases right from the start is an absolute mystery to me.
It is precisely this that makes searching for games with lesbian content so frustrating for me, because it will return all kinds of search results.
In the end you still have no choice but to take a closer look at each of them to find out what they are actually about and that is often, to put it kindly, not something I am even remotely enjoying.
 

Master of Puppets

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In my opinion, there is another major problem with games featuring lesbian-only content, and that is the fact that so many users here don't even consider them as a genre in its own right, but as some kind of bonus content in games that are usually aimed at a straight male audience, and which also only ever take this perspective.
Additionally, there is the already so often mentioned misuse of the lesbian tag, that is added to any game in which two female characters interact in any way sexually with each other and in most cases also with a male (main) character involved.
How one gets the absurd idea of attributing this to lesbianism and why a bi-sexual tag is not used in these cases right from the start is an absolute mystery to me.
It is precisely this that makes searching for games with lesbian content so frustrating for me, because it will return all kinds of search results.
In the end you still have no choice but to take a closer look at each of them to find out what they are actually about and that is often, to put it kindly, not something I am even remotely enjoying.
Because the lesbian tag is used for girl/girl, for lesbian sex, not a character who is lesbian. It is frustrating though, that there is no 'lesbian protagonist' tag. Searching for female protagonist + lesbian can help, but still gives a lot of 'straight female protagonist who tries girls one time' results.
 

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Yes, that's fine, and I'm sure people will find games with the content they are looking for, but why do they always have to demand that very content in other games that are clearly not about whatever they want?
I fully understand that these are specific niches where the choice of games is not that great, but the same is unfortunately true for other genres, and that's why I can't understand this sometimes absolutely ignorant attitude of some people who go into threads on games of other niche genres and demand that their preferred content must be featured there as well.

In my opinion, there is another major problem with games featuring lesbian-only content, and that is the fact that so many users here don't even consider them as a genre in its own right, but as some kind of bonus content in games that are usually aimed at a straight male audience, and which also only ever take this perspective.
Additionally, there is the already so often mentioned misuse of the lesbian tag, that is added to any game in which two female characters interact in any way sexually with each other and in most cases also with a male (main) character involved.
How one gets the absurd idea of attributing this to lesbianism and why a bi-sexual tag is not used in these cases right from the start is an absolute mystery to me.
It is precisely this that makes searching for games with lesbian content so frustrating for me, because it will return all kinds of search results.
In the end you still have no choice but to take a closer look at each of them to find out what they are actually about and that is often, to put it kindly, not something I am even remotely enjoying.
I'm guessing it's probably because developers and consumers are primarily CIS hetero men that have no real understanding of queer people, so things like lesbianism or transgenderism are merely fetishes and not parts of the character's identity.
 

Kass/\ndra

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Because the lesbian tag is used for girl/girl, for lesbian sex, not a character who is lesbian. It is frustrating though, that there is no 'lesbian protagonist' tag. Searching for female protagonist + lesbian can help, but still gives a lot of 'straight female protagonist who tries girls one time' results.
I totally agree, your suggestion of a tag for lesbian protagonists would be very helpful, no one would question that, but it unfortunately doesn't change the completely wrong definition on this site, where everything that has even slightly to do with w/w automatically falls under the term "lesbian", even if it's a threesome of two female characters with a male one, which has nothing to do with it.
In my opinion, the tag should finally be defined properly, because in its current form it is simply misleading and not helpful at all.
The female protagonist tag, on the other hand, opens up a whole different can of worms, and if you want to use it in combination with the lesbian tag for a search query, frustration is all but guaranteed & inevitable.
 

doidera

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You don't need a new tag, just use the tag that already exists correctly. The gay tag is used correctly in all games, why not the lesbian tag? besides, the admins have already said that they won't change so, it's clear that no one cares about our audience. We are here discussing the sex of angels... nothing will be done to improve the situation
 

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has any of you actually suggested lesbian protagonists
here
https://f95zone.to/forums/features-request.13/
That wouldn't achieve anything unfortunately - the system has been in revamp for uh, 2 years now? 3 maybe? So all new tags will automatically get "queue-rejected" until it's done. I'm still finding a shit ton of good games without the lesbian tag and an equal amount with it but no actual lesbian content (it's either a dickfest or they're "lesbians talking about random dicks", so not lesbians).

Females only would have immensely helped, but it's extremely misused on the communities where it exists. The concept would be good but the implementation would, without any doubt, be catastrophic, as unless a developer has decided that no, there will NOT be any dicks in their damn game and you can keep your money to spend it on dicks elsewhere, it's bound to happen at some point because some men will want their dicks everywhere. There was a POV stick figure drawing that illustrated the problem quite well in the lesbian thread if I'm not mistaken.
 

Master of Puppets

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has any of you actually suggested lesbian protagonists
here
https://f95zone.to/forums/features-request.13/
IIRC it's been suggested and rejected, though I don't know the reasoning why.


You don't need a new tag, just use the tag that already exists correctly. The gay tag is used correctly in all games, why not the lesbian tag? besides, the admins have already said that they won't change so, it's clear that no one cares about our audience. We are here discussing the sex of angels... nothing will be done to improve the situation
Your opinion of what the 'correct' use of the tag is is different to the site rules.
 

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I'm guessing it's probably because developers and consumers are primarily CIS hetero men that have no real understanding of queer people, so things like lesbianism or transgenderism are merely fetishes and not parts of the character's identity.
As someone who's trying to create a highly focused Yuri game while being a man, I have to admit that having to write a female MC is kind of a challenge.

One easy trick I found was to pick an existing character which has a very tomboy-ish personality.

I think you also need to find the right balance between :

- "it's a porn game."

And

- "Your MC must not only be a sex driven character."
 
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