I doubt it. Some games with futa/trans characters get automatically the gay tag, even when the tag rule here states they are not included. And then there is the nature of the tag, just by holding hands with a femboy once you get the gay tag, making it useless for those of us who look for Gay MC games, or at least with a complete gay storyline/arc. Just like what happens with the lesbian tag.
Not to sound rude, but I think the part that trips people up the most is getting hung up on trying to "think like a woman" when really you should just "think like a person" or "think like yourself," at least for a first pass, and then take a look with an eye to gender after, if it's really necessary. The specifics depend on the type of story you're writing and how in-depth you're going, but unless you are an absolute hyper-macho horndog IRL, you're probably going to get something a bit more natural-sounding if you write them like how you'd behave. I write pretty much all the characters I use with a "what would I do in this scenario" check but with their personality quirks and background loaded, and I don't find myself going "hmm, I wouldn't do that because I am a woman" so much as "I would either deny this accusation, or stammer out an answer, because I am shy and embarassed," or "I would not do this thing because it's a little dangerous and I am not that confident."
there's this thing with both [lesbian] and [gay] tag...
I mean technically but at that point we're arguing semantics. The point and crux of the matter is are the two women engaging in exclusively lesbian acts as opposed to bisexual acts like the aforementioned threesome (gender flip aside)? If the answer is yes, that's what we want the lesbian tag to focus on, because that is specifically what us Yuri/Lesbian fans are looking for.there's this thing with both [lesbian] and [gay] tag...
a girl x girl scene doesn't necessarily means -any- of the two is a lesbian. yet, in a game it would likely get the [lesbian] tag even if it'd be just some two random girls making out, at some party.
or a threesome with 2 guys and a girl, where the two guys interact, doesn't necessarily means they are gay, yet, in a game the [gay] tag would be slapped on, no question. 'omg they kissed, must be gay, where's the tag?!'
maybe game devs never swing. whatdoiknow.
I still think there should be additional tags to filter between:
Not a fan of "think like yourself" as there is a big risk to have a lack of personalities between females characters.
We could just be quibbling about process at this point, but I feel like if you're doing this properly, then the "being a woman" modifier shouldn't be much of a problem, because it doesn't actually change that much on its own. There are differences between men and women, but not a huge number that are outright exclusive traits; Rather, most differences are better described as trends when building your characters' traits and personality, and so being a woman should probably shape the character, but the issue seems to be with writing certain kinds of characters. You did mention treating one character as a Tomboy before, so... I dunno, maybe it's just that you find those related traits a bit easier to write?
It depends. Usually I'll take multiple passes at something (even this reply!) so a first brief run just with what I'd do alone can help map things out. A second or third run with the character loaded in my memory a bit better would usually be done next. But again, if you're struggling with writing a character and the gender seems to be the problem, I'd say to try writing it like that and then try and justify why that would change the scene. Really, it should be the traits that you decided earlier that dictate most potential changes.
I think it's mostly related to the fact that I only wrote male MC before, and all of my females characters were supportive characters that felt bland.
exactly what i meant. so, both tags are being applied to games where they aren't really exactly fitting, so to speak, and if they aren't added for the slightest hint of same-sex content, in a just H game (usually suspects are basically male MC), there'll be some wave of QQ about it. imo the tags lack specification, [Les MC] or the same with [Gay MC] would just fit one specific genre of game, let other games have their tags about some bit of content, among more or less other stuff.
Maybe Ron Jeremy was right, LOL
This is an immersion issue.
Sorry, immersion only works if I can picture myself as the guy involved, seeing a dick I know is not mine is an immediate destroyer of immersion and gross to look at.
Yeah, weird, I know, but dicks are not supposed to be inherently gross. People act like the two reactions to any kind of nudity are arousal or disgust. Neutral is an option. I won't get a boner watching dicks, or guys chests but I won't throw up at the sight.
Can't fault you on that because I have the same issue with actual porn. Don't know if it's specifically the dicks or just males actors in general but I rarely enjoy it.
that is not something that is only for straight sex, taking out the part that "usually involves penetration".
all this depends on how the game makes that kind of scenes, for example if the game shows us what the mc is imagining and that is the scene then I see more sense.
Everyone have their own takes on it, but suffice to say you have no clue what you're talking about when you say dicks have no reason to be a turn-off to people who aren't into them. I could go into reasons like how some people have their gag reflexes stir when they think about blowjobs cuz of the mental image of a phallic shape poking at the back of their throat, but really the exact reasoning is besides the main point of "dicks are unappealing to this audience and take away from the desired experience by being there" and that take isn't any less valid (for lack of a better word) because you can stare at dicks without getting turned off. There's a reason some of us look exclusively for (or at least for a majority of) lesbian content as opposed to, say, bisexual content.
Yeah, I could have worded that better. It's not specific to straight sex, it's more about the fact that you have to show arousal for both the guy and the girl to make a straight scene realistic and it's harder if you try to hide the dick as much as you can.
I agree. A male masturbation scene won't really do it for straight men if it's there just for the sake of it.
Not disagreeing with the tag issue. Just wanted to throw my opinion on the matter of straight consumers tolerating dicks in their game for the sake of the experience.
Yeah, that sounds fair. I do think it's a good choice to start with, if that's what you're comfortable with, and I look forward to seeing how that comes out
.I wouldn't say that anything should be totally off the table, but I do feel like there's some which would be awkward to do well/would only work in certain games and probably wouldn't appeal to me, and I think I agree with that one. Like, I think that could work for a comedy game, or... well, it might be funny to see a girl doing panty raids or something similar - I actually do wish there were a few more games with a bit of buildup and doing pervy stuff but not storming into any outright sex or anything. But just a plain pervert going around like in most Male MC VN's would probably be uninteresting in the same way that I find the male counterparts lacking.
