VN Ren'Py Lesson in Loyalty [Ch.4] [Lesson in Loyalty]

[Daddy-S]

I don't fully agree with that. You're forcing the dev to lock down the complete story. From my work here, I know many devs don't have the full story written. They have outlines, possible branching paths, etc... They are allowed that. It's their game.

If a planned tag list were mandatory (they never will be), we would see fewer games here. And probably more cookie-cutter stories.

Let's be real here: This whole planned tag issue arose from members who are too weak-minded to even contemplate trying something because they fear their fragile egos won't be able to handle it. This also goes for the NTR issue; those weak-minded members can't even endure a fictional character hurting that member's feelings. What that means is those members have not experienced real life enough to build up their self-esteem to the point of understanding fantasy is nowhere near the same as real life.
(Facepalms here are from those members; thanks for letting us know who you are)

xXwankerXx I guess you're my soapbox on this point. I hope I wasn't too heavy to carry.

What a load of dross.

 

[Zoomaa]

I have to agree with a mandatory "planned" tag list, or at least something like "tags that will never be included", so people can at least know which games they might not be interested in, appart fro mthat, in my opinion, a dev that doesn't know at least the tags that the game will include, just tells me that he doesn't have anything planned, has no objective for the game, and doesn't know what will happen with the game, which screams abandoned game if you ask me.

As for your view on "weak-minded" people, I suppose I'm weak-minded for not having the same fetishes as you, or as everyone else, I don't care if a game has, for example, femdom, but I don't like it, so if in the taglist it says there is femdom in the game, and I don't know if it's avoidable, why would I play a porn game, about a fetish that I don't like, or in a case of a game like this, that might have some NTR, if someone doesn't like that fetish, why would they lose the time to follow it until the dev decides to add it or not, that's why up to a point, I agree to have mandatory planned tags, there is no need to have them planned and writed on stone, but as a dev, knowing what you want to include in the game, and have at least an almost complete idea of what the full game is going to be, should be a requirement, you may change it down the line, but some lines should be followed, if not planned properly, there is no way something as long as making a game is not going to end up going wrong, and the amount of abandoned games in this website, shows that perfectly well.

Appart from all that, knowing that this dev has 2 abandoned games, 1 of them being remade, and now this one, can't really say I trust the dev to go anywhere with this one either...

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He knows all that but people like him have a condition called attention-seeking behavior they will say the most brain-dead and outlandish edgy thing just to get attention and feel validated they usually do not have real-life as he said hence that behavior comes to life online

 

[DeemLeem12]

Someone ought to tell her her hairdo ain't helping with her 5head.

 

[holaje12]

Lmao this dude's games are only entertaining for their threads, at least the first few days, later it will die like all their other projects.
But the takes here are beyond stupid, with so many games coming out every single day, are some numnuts really arguing that devs shouldnt tell potential supporters what to expect from their investment??? Specially when other devs actually do??

It reminds me of this dumbass scene from family guy:
And I think the logic sums up perfectly the deranged and stupid arguments being thrown out here.
Why would I support a dev that just says "trust me bro, you gonna like it" over someone who I know is going to deliver something I like? Thats just common sense, dont know how this discussion is even happening

 

[OleJackRipper]

titles like this tend to lead to ntr.
What are the planned tags?
I see the dev does not want to share those

 

[huy7644]

trashhhhhh dev

 

[Glorified_ignorance]

I must say games overview, is pretty intriguing and well written.

Kurt's private tutoring be like:



Thank you for the share o/

 

[Nerro]

And Nerro please stop comparing this to an actual video game. Last I checked when I bought God of War: Ragnarök it was completed not in it's infancy stage.

Having future tags doesn't mean you have to give away your story, it never meant that.

Ragnarok was not an early access titlen so I don’t understand your comparison? You never even had the opportunity to support the development of that game and neither did they need your support. Also its a triple A game with HUNDREDS of profesional people working on it while most games here is made by 1-2 amateur devs, there really is no comparison.

Also with Ragnarok, they never told every single detail of every scene and every game mechanic before release. That is despite the fact that they probably knew this before they even truly starting developing since had so many people working on it.

But you expect amateur devs to do this? Don’t you understand having to inform every single tag from day 1 means the dev has to know EVERY SINGLE sexual scene and story feature from the start? Half the tags here are controversial, some people hate femdom, some hate futa, some hate preggo,some hate cheating. There are barely any “safe” tags besides vanilla tags and you expect the dev to know and inform every detail for every type of sex scene they will ever make for the game that might be in development for YEARS into the future?

Future tags is a PRIVILEGE, not a RIGHT. You will almost never get a complete future tags list from day 1 so stop expecting it and setting devs up to an impossible standard. BTW, if you don’t think devs abandon games because they get bored with their project due to fools forcing them to promise future tags that will or will not be in the game and they get burned out because they can’t diviate from that path, you truly have no idea what porn game development is like.

Even when you are fortunate to get some “planned tags” it also does not mean those are the ONLY tags that will ever be in the game. So people need to stop shitting on devs just because they add something that was not listed. Its not a realistic expectation and you’re honestly an idiot if you can’t understand this

 

[Kakasan]

Promising game, but it's more like a prologue than a chapter, I played it and finished it in about 15 minutes

 

[Kakasan]

I hope chapter 2 has at least 1000 renders

 

[shynos]

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Overview:
Kurt is a 25-year-old teacher who finds it challenging to take the desired steps in life.
In order to make ends meet, alongside working as a private tutor due to his plans not progressing as intended,
he also takes on a part-time role as a fitness instructor at a gym.

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Thread Updated: 2024-01-12
Release Date: 2024-01-12
Developer: Lesson in Loyalty

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Version: Ch.1
OS: Windows, Linux, Mac, Android
Language: English
Other Games: Vilkas Creative
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Excellent game, very good start, excellent images and with a lot of logic, I hope it continues. thank you

 

[MikeOG]

another game by Vilkas Creative ?
they havent finished the two games that they have

 

[Overlord070]

Surprised it's not ntr with a name like this.

 

[baklol]

would

 

[baklol]

would waiting for next chapter and enough support so does not get abandoned

 

[hirikumo]

Haven't even finished playing yet, but I noticed something. This game is very very similar to the beginning of a completed manhwa that I read a while back. For those of you who are curious, read the first couple of chapters of it and tell me if you agree or not. The

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[pavan23559]

Bro how can you guys make these projects simultaneously.. and u guys r passionate too.. Damn

 

[Aikexuper]

That's what I call a BIG TITS, should upgrade tag "big tits" rule, only larger than G cup deserve this tag

 

[NebulousShooter]

First of all, as Vilkas Creative, we would like to thank everyone.

So let me get this str8, after 2 games with 20 remakes each now we got another game under new studio name? Well at least the girls don't have prolapsed assholes instead of mouths this time.

 

[xXwankerXx]

Ok, so, since some ppl here apparently missed the whole point of a 'mandatory' planned tag list and came up with all kinds of ridiculous ways to defend the shit that usually happens when there's this kinda 'misunderstanding' involved they supposedly hate, I'll just say this... by mandatory planned tag list, I obviously didn't mean each and every single tag there will be in the game, just the usual NTR/non NTR choice, femdom/maledom, sissification/gay stuff (could be an option here, something I don't wanna see, but others probably do). That would be all. To put it shortly, the blueprint of the story.

Like I already said, by doing this, the dev can cater to the audience they want and make the story exactly and how they want to by sparing themselves a lot of complaining, a thing that IMHO, doesn't make you be "out of touch with reality" or whatever nonsense, it just makes you a simple customer asking the guy selling you a product to give you a spec list or some technical details about it. Imagine spending a few thousand dollars on a damn pc you didn't bother checking its specs first cause of reasons and then bitching about it being too slow and/or outdated compared to what you expected from it, but that's just my opinion, and since the dev already has an abandoned game where ppl complained a lot about the effeminate MC, a thing that could've been avoided, having another abandoned title wouldn't exactly be anything shocking.

It's fine to let Devs tell there stories, I'm all for that but players/supporters SHOULD NEVER not know what they're getting themselves into.

Is that right ?? Somebody wanting to throw a few bucks a dev's way doesn't deserve to know what they're in for in the next updates ?? Wonder how many devs you ever supported with a logic like that and how well this idea worked out for them.

There were a lot of cases when some games started out as completely NTR free, and the devs added it for the 'plot' or reasons, so ppl naturally complained and even canceled their subscriptions bcz of it. A lil honesty from the get-go could've easily prevented that, but instead, these devs abandoned their games cause of lack of support blaming the fans for their mistakes and lack of transparency in regard to the story, and this thing didn't happen just once or twice, BUT there were examples of devs who knew what they wanted in their stories and were honest and upfront about it too, so anyone who doesn't already have a few ideas about the stuff that's gonna be in their stories is just going with the flow or is in it for a few extra bucks, which obviously isn't a good sign for a potential patron.

If I'm being honest, I don't really care what this dev does with the game, since it's his story to tell and all that, but I still think he owes his fans and potential new supporters a few answers about the story and to the question about whether NTR will be in it or not, since the MC isn't exactly a revelation when it comes to well-written or at least believable types of MCs in porn games.