Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.40.0] [Selebus]

[Dragon59]

While there may be some of wanting to "toughen up" Futaba in her motivation, or at the very least it might be how she's justifying it to herself, I don't think it's a matter of pure intentions and horrible execution. As mentioned, she had to survive among the Yakuza. She probably learned early that centring out someone else is a good way to avoid being targeted yourself. It's probably at least partially a survival tactic on her part. Furthermore, Futaba's got both parents, and while they're overseas, they still regularly send her money, and she obviously has a loving relationship with them. There might also be some jealousy thrown into the mix.

I don't think Yumi is a bad person at heart. I think she's broken, like pretty much everyone in the story (still waiting to see how some of the people are broken). I like her, when looked at on the whole, as a character for the VN, and look forward to seeing more of her. However, I think there's more to her bullying than simply trying to toughen Futaba up.

We don't really know what happened in the previous detentions. It's possible previous Senseis were as bad or worse than this one, and they could've been unjustified detentions, and were excuses to abuse her. It's equally possible that they were justified and the other Sensei was kind and dedicated to helping her. Everything anyone says about them at this point, beyond the fact that they happened, and Yumi didn't like them (and really, who likes detention?), is pure speculation.

Minor correction: We do know from Maya that nearly every version of Sensei has fooled around with one or more girls, though we're never given much information on what happened or with whom.

I've just finished the first beach vacation, so I haven't yet seen the later material. The idea that there have been others residing in the Sensei body does make sense. Maya has seen many many more cycles than the current resident. I can imagine with all the Happy Times, many residents are broken and destroyed by this experience.

When Maya says, "You've changed," it come be an aspect of "You're different," but as his monologue shows, he's not 100% corrupting. He is caring for the girls. Perhaps this is what will allow him to survive the cycles, which might actually free both he and Maya from the wheel.

Futaba is cute. My only issue with her, is that her personality is rather bland, compared to practically all the other girls, but I like her. And her appearance is fine. Not every girl has to look like flavorbeam over there.

I expect once she lets go of her self-image problems, she will become quite passionate--probably leaving Ayane far behind.

Variety is the spice of life, right?

As far as skipping characters, come on people. Selebus has a detailed story for everyone he wants to tell, don't you want to see it? Even if a character isn't your favorite, see what lies in store for her. When you read a book, do you flip past 20 or so pages every time a character you don't like shows up on the story?

If you really can't stand a particular character, which seems strange to me, because I like them all in their own way, use the control key.

I can't help but wait to see what Selebus has planned for all the characters.

If only this could be true. Not like we'd be doing any worse.

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That reminds me. I came across the mention of "Stations of the Cross" in the happy scene, and was taken aback. Maya's definitely definitely doesn't match what I was taught in the Roman Catholic Church. Rather than being a symbol for the Holy Trinity, it was about 14 key events on the day of the Crucifixion. Of course, that's what it means in OUR world....

But the fact that Yumi is fighting back tears in the last scene she appears in tells me that there's history there beyond what we've seen. She is acting like someone with a history of being sexual abused, and her outbursts remind me very strongly of people I know who've been abused trying to cope with the fact that they have to see their abuser on the regular.

A young/girl woman living on the streets would likely be subject to a lot of sexual abuse and emotional pain. But yeah, I was abused by an uncle when I was 6-7 years old, and it affected me in a lot of ways growing up.

 

[Dragon59]

Man i love this game.
Can't believe i just stumble this gem not long ago.

For me, this one had been recommended and I'd had it in my "to be played" queue. Finally opened it up about 5 days ago and haven't played any others in that time.

Each of them have their own behavior/personality and so, which really attracts me grinding this game while takes time to read the dialogue rather than skip all as what i would love to do.

Plus, i love the reference and the stuff appear in the game(EG : like posters of Rin's Room (Clanned and other good stuff), A huge cock with Kaori which i think he get inspiration from Yakuza? (that's what i think of instantly) and more!

Lastly, Game developer, you do what you do!
Don't be bothered by someone who complain about some character because he dislike the character!

I've never had a game where I've had to use hexadecimal to text converters and Google Translate like I do here.

True, religious education in America is absolute garbage and most people are "atheists" simply because they literally don't know that religions aside from Christianity, and possibly muslim exist, and they base everything off of that single religion.

Theological school classes could be nice if they weren't overly biased towards one belief since theology is a big part of life.

I mainly walked away from the Catholic Church because the canonical place for women and LGBTQ+ was no longer in line with my own progressive values. I did look into Buddhism and Wicca, but essentially I'm still a bit of a light atheist because any theology I hold must be compatible with my understanding of the physical world. I guess I have one foot in science, another in mysticism/esoterica, owning that the latter is largely subjective.

I'm still barely into the beginning of the game, and I already love it. Selebus, I have to say you're pretty good at writing, other than just doing porn. I even love your patreon goals lmao.
I do hope you add some more kinkier content in the future, but so far so good.

I can see that right now, while the girls are still relatively innocent, things should be more gentle, romantic, and vanilla. Once there have been a few cycles, and the young women are more in touch with their desires, I expect we'll see more kink with them. Of course, I expect a lot of Kink with the MILFs of the game. Especially Maki.

It'd make the most sense that she's mean towards futaba because she sees her as a glutton due to her weight while she can barely find enough food to eat, let alone be healthy.

I would agree with you... but I just read a part of the story where yumi seems to be interested in maya saying that she may be able to be friends with her but she doesn't fully understand her. And maya eats 5lbs of curry in that same scene. So Idk xD

Uh....that's not true at all? See my comment on the actual canon reason

SymbolicSalad's assessment would make perfect sense, but I it would be nice if the true story is yours, Lolicon Kami. That means it won't be an uphill battle forever.

 

[alex2011]

While there may be some of wanting to "toughen up" Futaba in her motivation, or at the very least it might be how she's justifying it to herself, I don't think it's a matter of pure intentions and horrible execution. As mentioned, she had to survive among the Yakuza. She probably learned early that centring out someone else is a good way to avoid being targeted yourself. It's probably at least partially a survival tactic on her part. Furthermore, Futaba's got both parents, and while they're overseas, they still regularly send her money, and she obviously has a loving relationship with them. There might also be some jealousy thrown into the mix.

I don't think Yumi is a bad person at heart. I think she's broken, like pretty much everyone in the story (still waiting to see how some of the people are broken). I like her, when looked at on the whole, as a character for the VN, and look forward to seeing more of her. However, I think there's more to her bullying than simply trying to toughen Futaba up.




We don't really know what happened in the previous detentions. It's possible previous Senseis were as bad or worse than this one, and they could've been unjustified detentions, and were excuses to abuse her. It's equally possible that they were justified and the other Sensei was kind and dedicated to helping her. Everything anyone says about them at this point, beyond the fact that they happened, and Yumi didn't like them (and really, who likes detention?), is pure speculation.

I could see it, she was taught by her time before the story events to do what it takes to survive, that's the Yakuza way. I could also see some jealousy going on. She's definitely broken, though, since that's basically one of the main concepts of the game in its entirety.

You're right, we don't know, all we know is that there were detentions. That means she is still jut being dramatic until we know more. So far, evidence points to old Sensei as being a kind person who would only punish when needed, but we will see.

Minor correction: We do know from Maya that nearly every version of Sensei has fooled around with one or more girls, though we're never given much information on what happened or with whom.

But the fact that Yumi is fighting back tears in the last scene she appears in tells me that there's history there beyond what we've seen. She is acting like someone with a history of being sexual abused, and her outbursts remind me very strongly of people I know who've been abused trying to cope with the fact that they have to see their abuser on the regular.

But that's all we know, we know nothing of whether each was consensual.

Personally I think what the current Sensei has done with her is enough for her to be acting the way she does - and the most recent scene, her emotional outburst to me seems to be entirely about her relationship with her mother.

Same here

 

[niconob92]

I can see that right now, while the girls are still relatively innocent, things should be more gentle, romantic, and vanilla. Once there have been a few cycles, and the young women are more in touch with their desires, I expect we'll see more kink with them. Of course, I expect a lot of Kink with the MILFs of the game. Especially Maki.

I agree, honestly it wasn't a critisism really but more like a hope for the future of the game. It does make perfect sense for the game to be like it is for now (and even if it stayed like this it still be great, I just like kinkier stuff myself )

 

[Dragon59]

I agree, honestly it wasn't a critisism really but more like a hope for the future of the game. It does make perfect sense for the game to be like it is for now (and even if it stayed like this it still be great, I just like kinkier stuff myself )

That does remind me of the reaction when Killer7 said that he does not consider the youngest daughter in My New Memories "lewdable." After the outrage, he acknowledged that at this point in her story, it did not make sense, but that things could change as her story progresses.

The common experience here is that when people ask for something, they usually are doing Veruca Salt cosplay (I want it now!). Didn't mean to be jumping to conclusions with your post.

 

[niconob92]

That does remind me of the reaction when Killer7 said that he does not consider the youngest daughter in My New Memories "lewdable." After the outrage, he acknowledged that at this point in her story, it did not make sense, but that things could change as her story progresses.

The common experience here is that when people ask for something, they usually are doing Veruca Salt cosplay (I want it now!). Didn't mean to be jumping to conclusions with your post.

I mean, you are at least half correct. I wouldn't mind it at all if it had that kind of content now, since I like it. But I don't think it's a bad decision on the dev's side not to go there yet.

 

[Dragon59]

I mean, you are at least half correct. I wouldn't mind it at all if it had that kind of content now, since I like it. But I don't think it's a bad decision on the dev's side not to go there yet.

Yeah, many of us are able to enjoy games even if they don't check off all our boxes.

On another note, somehow this made me think of Maya.


Twice.

 

[gnuh]

You know a game is good when it raises more questions than it raises your boner.

 

[Dragon59]

Well, after 10 days of play, I finally have my first blocked scene, Love Life, Let Go. It's because I didn't do the second happy scene by leaving the dorms and progressed too far with the girls before I finally realized I needed to do that. Now I want to go back and repeat all these days.... Of course, now that I know what I'm doing, it it won't be 534 days to get back to where I am.

EDIT: Actually, I'm going back to the 7th of August (Day 128), when the decision point had not been passed. Affection is no longer 40-60, but oh well. All my other games will have to wait a week longer.

Damn. That means I have to through Nothing Was Missing, Except Me and Delirium.
Wow. Knowing what is ahead, I am feeling anxiety.
A testament to how good this game is.

Disclosure, I have suffered from Clinical Depression most of my life, so I have an extra dose of empathy here.

 

[punisher2099]

I really wish Sensei would have just told Ayane why he won't have her babies. It would be a game over/bad end and she would likely never see him again.

 

[akselx]

It's not necessarily hate towards Futaba, I'm actually mad at Sensei for taking advantage of her.

He kinda does this with everyone. Why her specifically?

He's the MC, I'm controlling him, I need some connection to enjoy it.

Why not treat him as another character in a game? That's how I do it, that's what it seems to be the case plot vice. He's a literal vehicle for...something, someone.

Role playing as someone sexually interested in fat chicks, no, that's too far.

"I'm okay with him doing sketchy shit and being a borderline rapist, but fucking fat chicks, no, that's too far." I get it, really do, poor wording, but, by God, that made me laugh.

 

[akselx]

The way she treats Futaba is awful, but it's done with the intent of thickening Futaba's skin. She percieves Futaba as being to weak to survive in the world without growing some toughness, and since everyone else seems content to coddle Futaba, Yumi's volunteering to be the (unasked for) catalyst. That makes it sound a little more benevolent than it actually is, but you do see over the course of the arc that she pities Futaba, rather than hates her.

I love Yumi, but what I don't love is justification of ehr behaviour as "tough love". It really isn't. Yumi lashing out against everyone, but Futaba make herself an easy target, so she gets the worst of it.
She's easy target because, while her weight isn't a problem in itself, it's an easy vector of attack for Yumi, jokes kinda write themselves. It's als easy to see an immediate effect Yumi's words have on Future. Yumi hits, Futaba immediately bleeds. Easy pray.
For Yumi live is a fight and she's in a losing position by default, so she resents Futaba for not standing up to her, for rolling with punches. Even worse: Futaba's half-hearted attempts at being a bigger person just make her a bigger target, no pun intended.

 

[akselx]

Also, don't let sensei be so spineless in front of Yumi. she can't just walk all over him like he's nothing.

I legit don't understand where this coming from. Sensei doesn't have much of the character, but it really doesn't feel like he's letting Yumi walk all over him. He rolls with the punches and it doesn't effect him and allows him to counter attack from time to time. Feels like the best way to deal with someone as aggressive as Yumi.

 

[alex2011]

I love Yumi, but what I don't love is justification of ehr behaviour as "tough love". It really isn't. Yumi lashing out against everyone, but Futaba make herself an easy target, so she gets the worst of it.
She's easy target because, while her weight isn't a problem in itself, it's an easy vector of attack for Yumi, jokes kinda write themselves. It's als easy to see an immediate effect Yumi's words have on Future. Yumi hits, Futaba immediately bleeds. Easy pray.
For Yumi live is a fight and she's in a losing position by default, so she resents Futaba for not standing up to her, for rolling with punches. Even worse: Futaba's half-hearted attempts at being a bigger person just make her a bigger target, no pun intended.

That depends on her motivation for her actions, which is total speculation at this point. IF she is doing it to toughen Futaba, then yeah, it IS tough love. If she's doing it solely for enjoyment or to be mean and/or tough, that is just bullying with no positive motivation. Either way she's going about it the wrong way, but what's important is the part we don't yet know, her intent, which has been hinted, but not revealed.

I legit don't understand where this coming from. Sensei doesn't have much of the character, but it really doesn't feel like he's letting Yumi walk all over him. He rolls with the punches and it doesn't effect him and allows him to counter attack from time to time. Feels like the best way to deal with someone as aggressive as Yumi.

Pretty much

 

[Swift311]

I don't wanna be edgy or cynical but I am really excited to see Yumi's life and mentality destruction in the future. IRL I woud've suggest therapy but in this kind of scenario she is just there to be destroyed by the hostile world

 

[Lolicon Kami]

I don't wanna be edgy or cynical but I am really excited to see Yumi's life and mentality destruction in the future. IRL I woud've suggest therapy but in this kind of scenario she is just there to be destroyed by the hostile world

That's the beauty of games. Detached from reality, no consequences whatsoever, our imagination runs unbound .

 

[alex2011]

no consequences whatsoever

At least for us, not so much for the girls and player Sensei in this case.

 

[Dragon59]

That's the beauty of games. Detached from reality, no consequences whatsoever, our imagination runs unbound .

Yet many of us still have concern for the well being of the characters.

 

[alex2011]

Yet many of us still have concern for the well being of the characters.

Indeed, that's the beauty of Selebus's writing, he makes us feel every bit of anger, sadness, happiness, and 'happiness' in the game through his words.

 

[ztpaa]

was there supposed to be an update today or is it one of those updates that will take a whole month?