Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.40.0] [Selebus]

[Dragon59]

Since I find I am invested in this story, I'm putting my money where my mouth is and have starting supporting Selebus.

 

[Lolicon Kami]

Is there a reason why yumi is a bitch towards MC and futaba or it is just her personality? if there's a strong backstory I'll continue her storyline otherwise I'll ignore her as much as i can and skip all her events which are required to progress the main story.

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[alex2011]

I can't quite understand why people would want to ignore any of the students. Each one has her own story, her own arc that keeps me interested with or without sexy times. I'm invested in how Selebus plans to develop all of these character.

Regarding Futaba, I've been above average weight nearly all my life (especially after abuse by an uncle), and I know how cruel kids can be. And that was with me being a guy. I've known many women who have had to deal with the pressure as girls who can't find the ability to adhere to expectations and it is so much greater. For many, it's often an emotional/psychological response to abuse/PTSD, others have a genetic disposition to retain body fat, and attempts at losing weight by diet just results in the body going into starvation mode and trying to retain even more. It disappoints me when people act like Yumi and prove that superficial judgement is just about as prevalent now as when I was a kid. Often people try to justify their prejudice by saying that they are concerned for the person's health. As if the person hasn't heard that judgement so many times already that their self-esteem is in the toilet already. Yes, Futaba is a fictional character and so is "fair game," but it shows that some players are too judgmental to offer any compassion for a character with a troubled history*.

*Yeah, I expect to be met with a number of facepalms from those who "can't handle the truth."

I know how cruel kids can be

Especially high school girls, they can be particularly nasty in attitude at times. Even more so if they are from a background like Yumi's, where zero trust and being a 'good girl' as little as possible is how they survive. The Yakuza isn't fun and games, it is survival of the fittest no matter the age just like any other gang. That's going to have a negative impact in the attitude department. It also isn't the environment where a girl can learn compassion or any other positive thing toward other people since those could get her killed, so she failed to learn how to properly handle being around Futaba or trying to help her as it seems like she might be trying to do.

Often people try to justify their prejudice by saying that they are concerned for the person's health.

Sometimes, but then there are people who know the risks without being at risk of them themselves and are genuinely concerned. People like us aren't trying to judge, we just don't know any other way. Minus the attitude and trust issues, and obviously the Yakuza background, we are literally the Yumis of the real world.

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Yep, even if it wasn't under his own will, she doesn't know that, so she can only blame him. I can actually see the tough love approach here, but she might be going a little too tough, which is why it turns out as it does. I can also see the good in her. Caring in her own way, loyal to the point she would probably literally take a bullet for Chika or Chinami, she is quite an admirable character below the tough girl surface.

Also, I wouldn't be too sure about skipping text, you never know when a Yumi event will be the key to a puzzle. I have found you're actually more likely to hit a wall by missing something important in a skip than any other possible way to get stuck in the game.

 

[PrimeGuy]

The way she treats Futaba is awful, but it's done with the intent of thickening Futaba's skin. She percieves Futaba as being to weak to survive in the world without growing some toughness, and since everyone else seems content to coddle Futaba, Yumi's volunteering to be the (unasked for) catalyst. That makes it sound a little more benevolent than it actually is, but you do see over the course of the arc that she pities Futaba, rather than hates her.

No, Yumi's treatment of Futaba isn't justified, but we can see the underlying intentions are not so hostile. She's just going about it all wrong because she doesn't know any other way. This is the way she was raised, to be tough or to submit to those who are already, and that is all she knows. You can thank her good for nothing Yakuza father for that.

While there may be some of wanting to "toughen up" Futaba in her motivation, or at the very least it might be how she's justifying it to herself, I don't think it's a matter of pure intentions and horrible execution. As mentioned, she had to survive among the Yakuza. She probably learned early that centring out someone else is a good way to avoid being targeted yourself. It's probably at least partially a survival tactic on her part. Furthermore, Futaba's got both parents, and while they're overseas, they still regularly send her money, and she obviously has a loving relationship with them. There might also be some jealousy thrown into the mix.

I don't think Yumi is a bad person at heart. I think she's broken, like pretty much everyone in the story (still waiting to see how some of the people are broken). I like her, when looked at on the whole, as a character for the VN, and look forward to seeing more of her. However, I think there's more to her bullying than simply trying to toughen Futaba up.

I understand that yumi's relation with previous sensei wasn't good but then it's not like she's putting any effort in improving her studies. she used to get detention? well she deserved it. If it wasn't for current sensei she would have been expelled by now. Her bad upbringing doesn't give her a justifiable reason to treat everyone like shit.

Nope, we only know she got said detentions. We don't even know WHY, though we can make some pretty good guesses. I still think she is just being dramatic about anything that happened before the story since I haven't seen actual proof. It would really help to understand the motivations behind these claims if we got some details.

We don't really know what happened in the previous detentions. It's possible previous Senseis were as bad or worse than this one, and they could've been unjustified detentions, and were excuses to abuse her. It's equally possible that they were justified and the other Sensei was kind and dedicated to helping her. Everything anyone says about them at this point, beyond the fact that they happened, and Yumi didn't like them (and really, who likes detention?), is pure speculation.

 

[Smarmint]

Futaba is cute. My only issue with her, is that her personality is rather bland, compared to practically all the other girls, but I like her. And her appearance is fine. Not every girl has to look like flavorbeam over there.

Variety is the spice of life, right?

As far as skipping characters, come on people. Selebus has a detailed story for everyone he wants to tell, don't you want to see it? Even if a character isn't your favorite, see what lies in store for her. When you read a book, do you flip past 20 or so pages every time a character you don't like shows up on the story?

If you really can't stand a particular character, which seems strange to me, because I like them all in their own way, use the control key.

 

[Toram Eldin]

If only this could be true. Not like we'd be doing any worse.

 

[barglenarglezous]

We don't really know what happened in the previous detentions. It's possible previous Senseis were as bad or worse than this one, and they could've been unjustified detentions, and were excuses to abuse her. It's equally possible that they were justified and the other Sensei was kind and dedicated to helping her. Everything anyone says about them at this point, beyond the fact that they happened, and Yumi didn't like them (and really, who likes detention?), is pure speculation.

Minor correction: We do know from Maya that nearly every version of Sensei has fooled around with one or more girls, though we're never given much information on what happened or with whom.

But the fact that Yumi is fighting back tears in the last scene she appears in tells me that there's history there beyond what we've seen. She is acting like someone with a history of being sexual abused, and her outbursts remind me very strongly of people I know who've been abused trying to cope with the fact that they have to see their abuser on the regular.

 

[Revol]

Man i love this game.
Can't believe i just stumble this gem not long ago.
Each of them have their own behavior/personality and so, which really attracts me grinding this game while takes time to read the dialogue rather than skip all as what i would love to do.

Plus, i love the reference and the stuff appear in the game(EG : like posters of Rin's Room (Clanned and other good stuff), A huge cock with Kaori which i think he get inspiration from Yakuza? (that's what i think of instantly) and more!

Lastly, Game developer, you do what you do!
Don't be bothered by someone who complain about some character because he dislike the character!

 

[SymbolicSalad]

Is there a reason why yumi is a bitch towards MC and futaba or it is just her personality? if there's a strong backstory I'll continue her storyline otherwise I'll ignore her as much as i can and skip all her events which are required to progress the main story.

It'd make the most sense that she's mean towards futaba because she sees her as a glutton due to her weight while she can barely find enough food to eat, let alone be healthy.

 

[SymbolicSalad]

If only this could be true. Not like we'd be doing any worse.

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True, religious education in America is absolute garbage and most people are "atheists" simply because they literally don't know that religions aside from Christianity, and possibly muslim exist, and they base everything off of that single religion.

Theological school classes could be nice if they weren't overly biased towards one belief since theology is a big part of life.

 

[PrimeGuy]

Minor correction: We do know from Maya that nearly every version of Sensei has fooled around with one or more girls, though we're never given much information on what happened or with whom.

But the fact that Yumi is fighting back tears in the last scene she appears in tells me that there's history there beyond what we've seen. She is acting like someone with a history of being sexual abused, and her outbursts remind me very strongly of people I know who've been abused trying to cope with the fact that they have to see their abuser on the regular.

Personally I think what the current Sensei has done with her is enough for her to be acting the way she does - and the most recent scene, her emotional outburst to me seems to be entirely about her relationship with her mother.

 

[niconob92]

I'm still barely into the beginning of the game, and I already love it. Selebus, I have to say you're pretty good at writing, other than just doing porn. I even love your patreon goals lmao.
I do hope you add some more kinkier content in the future, but so far so good.

 

[Lolicon Kami]

It'd make the most sense that she's mean towards futaba because she sees her as a glutton due to her weight while she can barely find enough food to eat, let alone be healthy.

Uh....that's not true at all? See my comment on the actual canon reason

 

[niconob92]

Uh....that's not true at all? See my comment on the actual canon reason

You're mostly correct except on one point: she was a bitch towards MC before he did what he did. Unless the "original" teacher did something to her as well, I'm still early on in the story.

 

[kasatik_spb]

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Hi!
Here is the Russian translation of Lessons in Love [v0.17].
This translation is "unofficial".

The link is: Here


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Это перевод на Русский язык визуальной новеллы Lessons in Love [v0.17].
Этот перевод является неофициальным.

Ссылка : Здесь

 

[starlink12]

Seriously? I am amazed. Clearly LiL is content-rich, and lengthy, but I had no idea that it has surpassed 780,000 words.

Yeah the last official update from Sel was 700k and that was in May, there have been 3 more substantial updates since then. There is apparently a Smash Brothers fanfic that is over 4 million words and he's said he expects LiL to pass that in 4-5 years.

 

[StoLat]

Baby don't hurt me

Wrong

 

[SymbolicSalad]

Uh....that's not true at all? See my comment on the actual canon reason

Ah yes, Lolicon Kami, the one who speaks for selebus and knows all the plot details.

I'll be sure to remember your name the next time something that is confusing yet will eventually be answered comes up and will be sure to ask you for the details instead of figuring it out for myself.

 

[SymbolicSalad]

You're mostly correct except on one point: she was a bitch towards MC before he did what he did. Unless the "original" teacher did something to her as well, I'm still early on in the story.

I can't speak for her aviding hating sensei since I don't like to do mental gymnastics levels of assumptions, but for futaba the one who can hardly afford to eat is picking on the one who eats too much for a reason.

 

[niconob92]

I can't speak for her aviding hating sensei since I don't like to do mental gymnastics levels of assumptions, but for futaba the one who can hardly afford to eat is picking on the one who eats too much for a reason.

I would agree with you... but I just read a part of the story where yumi seems to be interested in maya saying that she may be able to be friends with her but she doesn't fully understand her. And maya eats 5lbs of curry in that same scene. So Idk xD