Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.41.0] [Selebus]

[Qrash]

There's not a single character but Ami that I can think of that could have made Akira react like this unironically.

In the totem pole of characters that could make Sensei be extremely devastated, I can see Maya being a runner up, along with maybe Ayane and Niki, making sensei very sad, but nothing warranting a full on mental breakdown.

Sure, but Ami has been getting killed the entire time. Ami should be first in his heart I agree, but I think he hasn't really seen her as a person until very recently. The thing that made Maya special to him is that she was existing on the same plane as him, i.e she was a constant and fully aware of the state of the world. Well that, and she was seemingly unattainable, which of course created a fascination. This allowed their relationship to grow slowly and naturally over the course of his "rebirth" so I understand why he would feel like he lost the one thing he cared about the most, because to this version of Sensei, he did care about her the most. Maya was the only one he saw as a human being the entire time, as opposed to all the other girls,including Ami unfortunately, who he saw as toys.

Now should it have been this way based on things we know now about their relationship? Probably not but I think it's kind of obvious that Sel didn't plan every single detail of this story from the very beginning. And even if he did frankly, time changes you, the Sel who started LiL and the Sel writing LiL now are not the same. I know I'm not the same person I was four years ago.

 

[anoterfuckingmaster]

im also one part of the group that was never attached to maya but i can still understand to an extent why sensei was broken up until then he wasn't taking anything seriously and felt untouchable even tho Maya kept warning him that there can be consequences for his actions now that the shoe has dropped hes realized things can get worse and that anything he does can be erased . its way hes trying to become better but also slowly giving into hes even darker side .

 

[Squalicorax]

Does anyone know if the bug that made the game uncompleteable without URM or whatever is still around? I've been itching for a new full playthrough but I don't want to deal with any of that.

 

[Xiondingens]

Maya was the only one he saw as a human being the entire time, as opposed to all the other girls,including Ami unfortunately, who he saw as toys.

This is actually a good point. Maybe toys is not the right therm, but i think you are right. I mean she was probably the only person who is 100% aware of what he is doing and thinking. And while she did "judge" him, and in the end nothing he did or didnt do, did actually change anything in their relationship.

No matter how often she called him disgusting. Nothing did ever change for the worse. She was the only stable constant in this world for him. No matter what he would do, she wouldnt leave him and she wouldnt actually judge him for him. She knew who he was.

I think a problem for people who dont feel the same way about this is, that if you werent able to get it before, now all they get is tell, because there now nothing more to show. At least not directly and i am actually a bit disapointed he really did spend the night with eraser maya.

 

[Xiondingens]

Does anyone know if the bug that made the game uncompleteable without URM or whatever is still around? I've been itching for a new full playthrough but I don't want to deal with any of that.

What are you even talking about? I have never needed URM to complete a chapter.

Edit: Also the game is not complete, so you cant complete it right now either way.

 

[Squalicorax]

What are you even talking about? I have never needed URM to complete a chapter.

Edit: Also the game is not complete, so you cant complete it right now either way.

I remember seeing a couple of posts about how some old main event got bugged around update .37 or .38

 

[hcguy]

I think a problem for people who dont feel the same way about this is, that if you werent able to get it before

I have accepted that I will never get the Sensei-Maya connection. I have never understood what it is about her that is so amazing - she might be the perfect match for Sensei for whatever reason, but she's pretty far down on the list for me, and I don't expect that to change. There have been moments (e.g., their day at the street festival) where their story affected me emotionally. But I don't think I will ever get why she is somehow the one he cares about the most. I used to think it was because we had only seen her after all the resets had broken her, but if the Maya we are seeing now is the pre-reset Maya, then she (along with her "flashback to tutoring days" self) is kind of a bitch.

I don't actively hate her like I do Nodoka, but she's always been "meh" to me.

 

[Qrash]

I think a problem for people who dont feel the same way about this is, that if you werent able to get it before, now all they get is tell, because there now nothing more to show. At least not directly and i am actually a bit disapointed he really did spend the night with eraser maya.

It was one of those things that had to happen. And I'm glad it did because it kind of showed us Maya's perspective on how she viewed Sensei up until he started to get memories back and show signs that the person that she loved

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was still in there somewhere. I highly doubt he's ever going to touch her again, or at least I hope he doesn't unless she starts to show similar signs.

 

[Xiondingens]

I don't actively hate her like I do Nodoka, but she's always been "meh" to me.

Well, fair enough.

 

[Slub]

This is actually a good point. Maybe toys is not the right therm, but i think you are right. I mean she was probably the only person who is 100% aware of what he is doing and thinking. And while she did "judge" him, and in the end nothing he did or didnt do, did actually change anything in their relationship.

No matter how often she called him disgusting. Nothing did ever change for the worse. She was the only stable constant in this world for him. No matter what he would do, she wouldnt leave him and she wouldnt actually judge him for him. She knew who he was.

I think a problem for people who dont feel the same way about this is, that if you werent able to get it before, now all they get is tell, because there now nothing more to show. At least not directly and i am actually a bit disapointed he really did spend the night with eraser maya.

Hah, made almost the exact same statement a few pages ago.
Without Maya, it just seems pointless from the point of view of Sensei, similarly to how Makoto has been thinking of life ever since getting to know about the reset. The mental breakdown seemed like a good reflection of it.

It really made me lose interest in the game, though. The other students are nice side characters that provide some distraction, but none of them really matter to Sensei and the story seems even more random and up to the whims of the gods now. Might as well get rid of the protagonist completely at this point since he's been reduced to just another side character.

 

[Duskreyn]

I have been very busy, but I was finally able to play the update, I enjoyed it a lot and I will leave some thoughts

Spoiler: thoughts 0.40.

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[throwawaysponge]

"Sorry I'm late, everybody, I was getting double-teamed by my boss and my teacher"
"Geez, Molly, you're trying to hard to convince us you're not a virgin."

Her attempt at the tentacle vs Makoto already sold her as a virgin to Nodoka, which means it was sold to everyone with an occasional autograph.

for what it's worth it may be the difference between WoW and FF14 players at this point.

 

[Qrash]

Hah, made almost the exact same statement a few pages ago.
Without Maya, it just seems pointless from the point of view of Sensei, similarly to how Makoto has been thinking of life ever since getting to know about the reset. The mental breakdown seemed like a good reflection of it.

It really made me lose interest in the game, though. The other students are nice side characters that provide some distraction, but none of them really matter to Sensei and the story seems even more random and up to the whims of the gods now. Might as well get rid of the protagonist completely at this point since he's been reduced to just another side character.

That's why I personally wish, and this may be an unpopular statement, that this game didn't really go for the whole "supernatural/meta-existential" angle to begin with. I feel like it doesn't need it. These are good characters, and there's enough going on with them in their mundane, human lives that I feel like the other elements kind of get in the way of that. Especially since that with the whole "supernatural" side of the narrative, the characters have no agency whatsoever. There is nothing they can do about any of the things that are happening to them or around them.

The most excited I was for the more fantastical elements of the plot were around when Yumi and Tsuneyo were breaking out of the matrix and it seemed like they, along with Sensei, Maya, and Ayane were actually could do something to resist the world.

 

[Xiondingens]

Hah, made almost the exact same statement a few pages ago.

Must have missed that post then.

It really made me lose interest in the game, though. The other students are nice side characters that provide some distraction, but none of them really matter to Sensei and the story seems even more random and up to the whims of the gods now. Might as well get rid of the protagonist completely at this point since he's been reduced to just another side character.

Hm, i mean i think maya is an important part. But wouldnt agree with you here. Because he is the hero, and now he has to overcome this. Lets be honest, there werent that many time where he actually had to overcome something, instead of just getting what he wants on a silver plate at the end.

Could actually help him to finally become a character, i mean one who doesnt just either fucking or whining around. I mean, if maya was all that kept you interested in the game. Well, that sucks for you.

That's why I personally wish, and this may be an unpopular statement, that this game didn't really go for the whole "supernatural/meta-existential" angle to begin with. I feel like it doesn't need it. These are good characters, and there's enough going on with them in their mundane, human lives that I feel like the other elements kind of get in the way of that. Especially since that with the whole "supernatural" side of the narrative, the characters have no agency whatsoever. There is nothing they can do about any of the things that are happening to them or around them.

The most excited I was for the more fantastical elements of the plot were around when Yumi and Tsuneyo were breaking out of the matrix and it seemed like they, along with Sensei, Maya, and Ayane were actually could do something to resist the world.

Well, i think we basically have two stories going on. One on the ground level with the girls, that are not affected by all the supernatural stuff. Or at least most of the time are not affected. And then we have on another level the supernatural stuff, that is most of the time just barely affected by anything of the groundlevel.

And i would think that one is actually been able to enjoy the groundlevel stories, while ignoring/skipping most of the supernatural stuff is quite possible.

 

[DeSkel15]

Continuing with the box discussion from the other day, this is the last maya event from chapter 2.

After their date watching the fireworks, Maya tells Akira she has a present for him. She then corrects herself, saying it's not a present, but that by honoring the tradition it would help her deal with their changing relationship, so she needs his help carrying it. Akira asks if he can look at what's inside this time, and she says that if he can open it, he can take a look at it. But she says she doesn't have it with her, and that they'll have to go get it in the dorms... BUT as she says this, Maya's gone and the box is already there with him.

Spoiler: It's not with me

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Scene change, he's with the box talking to Ami

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Another scene change, he's with the box talking to Sekai

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Through the entire thing, he's talking to Maya and making his way to her bedroom to get the box.

Spoiler: And who is that?

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No idea who that is. Scene change, he's with Ayane and Maya and the box.

Spoiler: Banana

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Scene change he's taking the photo of the girls before everything and with the box.

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Scene change, he's at the dorms and holding the box.

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Spoiler: In conclusion

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I'd like to hear some thoughts on this, and I'm also missing a few details. First, what is the ritual exactly? Maya keeps the box in her bedroom at the dorms and then as the reset is about to happen she takes the box where exactly?

Second, what is the purpose of this? It doesn't seem to have any effect on the reset, so maybe what's inside the box is kept intact through resets? Cause if that's the case, it would make sense for it to be something that is modified by her during the resets, otherwise you wouldn't have to save it, it would remain regardless as something that existed before the resets I think. But then it would contradict it being Akira's memories, since it would fit more being her notes on the resets or something.

And third, maybe the box is what's buried underneath his feet? Are his notebooks of poems inside? Yeah that's my limit for now I think...

There's actually multiple boxes:

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And Maya usually seemed to barricade certain hallways with them:

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Sensei does tend to help Maya carry at least one box between every reset, but the rest she might do on her own.

Why Maya did this isn't clear, but in theory:

These boxes may be there to protect, and guide whoever to the roof. The one reset she was unprepared for:

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(Pareidolia probably messed with her head like it's probably been doing to everyone since Sensei connected to it) This thing showed up on the roof during that reset:

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So, since Maya was caught off guard, she may have not moved all of the boxes to where they needed to be, leaving the roof vulnerable to supernatural stuff that normally wouldn't get past the boxes. (Possibly even why Sensei blacked out and killed her when he's usually came to his senses on the roof)

Considering that New Maya probably has no idea what the boxes or resets even are, the next time they go to the roof, they may have no protection at all.

As for what's in the boxes, whatever is in control of things doesn't seem to want anyone to know (besides maybe Maya, if she actually knew what was in them). Ayane saw what was in them but at some point it was casually erased from her mind that they even exist:

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[Riolol]

There's actually multiple boxes:

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And Maya usually seemed to barricade certain hallways with them:

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Sensei does tend to help Maya carry at least one box between every reset, but the rest she might do on her own.

Why Maya did this isn't clear, but in theory:

These boxes may be there to protect, and guide whoever to the roof. The one reset she was unprepared for:

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(Pareidolia probably messed with her head like it's probably been doing to everyone since Sensei connected to it) This thing showed up on the roof during that reset:

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So, since Maya was caught off guard, she may have not moved all of the boxes to where they needed to be, leaving the roof vulnerable to supernatural stuff that normally wouldn't get past the boxes. (Possibly even why Sensei blacked out and killed her when he's usually came to his senses on the roof)

Considering that New Maya probably has no idea what the boxes or resets even are, the next time they go to the roof, they may have no protection at all.

As for what's in the boxes, the world itself doesn't seem to want anyone to know (besides maybe Maya, if she actually knew what was in them). Ayane saw what was in them but at some point it was casually erased from her mind that they even exist:

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This is the best take on the boxes I have seen.

 

[hernestojavier621]

I remember seeing a couple of posts about how some old main event got bugged around update .37 or .38

It was an early Kirin event right? If so I can confirm it works now

 

[jexyheir]

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Yeah, you see all, I have no problem with Maya being head over heels for him and living through tons of shit for him. That is shown, good and all, etc.
Problem is that from he's side there's nothing really. While we see that he is trying so hard to return/restore/remake parts of what Sekai was for him, he does shit all about/with Maya. The most is his words about how he loved her, which are useless, as dude lies to himself more than breathes on top of not remembering shit. And then he's breaking into coma cause subconscious reasons in the past, imagine them yourself for now. Yeah, not buying it.


The most I could probably buy is that he broke down cause Maya was his project of now lost Sekais' teaching about how to break wizards into eternal love and the result got lost so he will get an F.

 

[Xiondingens]

While we see that he is trying so hard to return/restore/remake parts of what Sekai was for him,

We do? When? I have read this by now multiple times, about that he wants Sekai back and all that. Just nothing in the game itself that would even hind at it.

 

[Draven X 23]

Howdy. New to the game. Honestly just downloaded it. But I have no idea how to get the DRM Patch. I click on it and it just takes me to a new screen full of random stuff I do not understand. So I am guessing its coding.


I am asking, what do I do? Thanks.