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I have been a Patreon for about half a year and I am starting to have some gripes about the game. I see some others have expressed the same concerns but I'll share them in my own words.

I recently replayed the entire game from start to finish and feel the game has become too complex to unlock scenes. You just grind and grind and maybe never find out how to progress. Wiki is almost required now or you end up frustrated and hours wasted. I get secret scenes are "part of the game" but then maybe don't make them so hard to find? There are also events where you need to visit X person's room on X day with X requirements (Ayane scene). It requires too many clicks to grind out the menus looking for progression paths. It's become a giant spiderweb of locks and requirements that aren't easily presented to the player. There is also nothing to tell you "hey, don't view this totally unrelated secret scene because it'll progress the game and you don't have enough lust with X character yet!".

Then there was the terminal in the newest update. I spent 4 hours on it figuring out the stuff, googling, searching discord, and finally I figured it out. I didn't feel rewarded. I felt relieved. This experience honestly might make me stop supporting the game for a bit - not because of the puzzle - but because you insist on not sharing the answers to people who ask for them. It seems they get deleted off discord and this forum when posted. Not everyone has good memory or wants to spend hours figuring out a puzzle. You wrote the game, obviously the answers seem obvious to you but there's no reason for REQUIRED secret events and answers to be so hush hush. It's a hentai VN game.

The game itself is amazing outside of this, so I am torn. I really hope the game does not keep going this direction. I think something that would be a HUGE help is greying out events you can't access yet due to missing requirements. That way you can easily see what events you should be working towards.
 

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I have been a Patreon for about half a year and I am starting to have some gripes about the game. I see some others have expressed the same concerns but I'll share them in my own words.

I recently replayed the entire game from start to finish and feel the game has become too complex to unlock scenes. You just grind and grind and maybe never find out how to progress. Wiki is almost required now or you end up frustrated and hours wasted. I get secret scenes are "part of the game" but then maybe don't make them so hard to find? There are also events where you need to visit X person's room on X day with X requirements (Ayane scene). It requires too many clicks to grind out the menus looking for progression paths. It's become a giant spiderweb of locks and requirements that aren't easily presented to the player. There is also nothing to tell you "hey, don't view this totally unrelated secret scene because it'll progress the game and you don't have enough lust with X character yet!".

Then there was the terminal in the newest update. I spent 4 hours on it figuring out the stuff, googling, searching discord, and finally I figured it out. I didn't feel rewarded. I felt relieved. This experience honestly might make me stop supporting the game for a bit - not because of the puzzle - but because you insist on not sharing the answers to people who ask for them. It seems they get deleted off discord and this forum when posted. Not everyone has good memory or wants to spend hours figuring out a puzzle. You wrote the game, obviously the answers seem obvious to you but there's no reason for REQUIRED secret events and answers to be so hush hush. It's a hentai VN game.

The game itself is amazing outside of this, so I am torn. I really hope the game does not keep going this direction. I think something that would be a HUGE help is greying out events you can't access yet due to missing requirements. That way you can easily see what events you should be working towards.
It will definitely keep going in that direction as that is the kind of game I want to make.
It's difficult by design and I understand why some players won't like that. I, by no means, expect everyone to agree with my vision.

But there is a reason I continuously implement things that I know are going to make people mad or make people quit. I've said it on several other occasions in this thread (I tried finding the really lengthy example through searching but wasn't able to uncover it), but the deeper you get into this game, the more it doesn't want you to be there. If you don't want to uncover the mysteries of this world or pay attention to it, why play?

I don't view this this as just a hentai VN. It's so much more than that to me and many others. And I owe it to all of those people to stick to my vision and not water down anything to appease those who think it's arduous to move outside of the box. Or inside the box, in some ways. The answers to the segment you were stuck in for four hours were all given to you. The game literally tells you to write two of them down and one of the others is given through audio in the same scene.

So thank you so much for any support you've given me but do not feel obligated to continue supporting the game if you are no longer having fun! I'm personally happier with it now than I've ever been, and I'm going to keep doing things my way- even if some people do not agree with it.
 

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It will definitely keep going in that direction as that is the kind of game I want to make.
It's difficult by design and I understand why some players won't like that. I, by no means, expect everyone to agree with my vision.

But there is a reason I continuously implement things that I know are going to make people mad or make people quit. I've said it on several other occasions in this thread (I tried finding the really lengthy example through searching but wasn't able to uncover it), but the deeper you get into this game, the more it doesn't want you to be there. If you don't want to uncover the mysteries of this world or pay attention to it, why play?

I don't view this this as just a hentai VN. It's so much more than that to me and many others. And I owe it to all of those people to stick to my vision and not water down anything to appease those who think it's arduous to move outside of the box. Or inside the box, in some ways. The answers to the segment you were stuck in for four hours were all given to you. The game literally tells you to write two of them down and one of the others is given through audio in the same scene.

So thank you so much for any support you've given me but do not feel obligated to continue supporting the game if you are no longer having fun! I'm personally happier with it now than I've ever been, and I'm going to keep doing things my way- even if some people do not agree with it.
Noice a dev that ain't getting swayed by wannabe-critics!!!
 

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Noice a dev that ain't getting swayed by wannabe-critics!!!
I wouldn't call him a wannabe. It's definitely a real critique and I get where he's coming from. But that's a standpoint I knew would exist the second I placed the first secret behind a door that wasn't even open yet.

And then again when I hid another mandatory event in an option no one would have any reason to ever click.

And then tested those same people to make sure they were listening or doing as they were told.

Things like this, things that some people hate, are exactly what other people love about the game.
 

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I wouldn't call him a wannabe. It's definitely a real critique and I get where he's coming from. But that's a standpoint I knew would exist the second I placed the first secret behind a door that wasn't even open yet.

And then again when I hid another mandatory event in an option no one would have any reason to ever click.

And then tested those same people to make sure they were listening or doing as they were told.

Things like this, things that some people hate, are exactly what other people love about the game.
Oh I'm always meme-ing, most of my comments aren't really the serious kind
 
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- Winter outfits now appear in the dorm room once the Christmas events are finished
I think the christmas check does not work because the winter outfits are visible from the very start of the game ( I started another new game in 12p1 ).


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Then there was the terminal in the newest update. I spent 4 hours on it figuring out the stuff, googling, searching discord, and finally I figured it out.
You know, I myself forgot the terminal number during that update, but it took me about five minutes to find the answer in the thread. I wonder why it's so difficult for some?
Need help, I can't trigger Kirin's Full Blossom event
Kirin Lust Above 5, then go visit her at the football field during weekend moring.

Selebus, replaying Full Blossom plays Makoto's lust event, by the way.
 

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I think the issue is more the placement of characters;
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Source: am minister, but not a good one i guess cause i'm getting all Joseph Campbell on an eroge...
As I mentioned before: When you throw in that your man John was the only one to die a natural death, it takes on another level of meaning.
 

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2nd Update is nearly there, now I have to use every fiber of my being to bring myself to play that latest update...

I WILL PLAY THIS GAME AFTER THIS 2ND UPDATE GETS RELEASED, THIS I SWEAR!!!
 

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I have been a Patreon for about half a year and I am starting to have some gripes about the game. I see some others have expressed the same concerns but I'll share them in my own words.

I recently replayed the entire game from start to finish and feel the game has become too complex to unlock scenes. You just grind and grind and maybe never find out how to progress. Wiki is almost required now or you end up frustrated and hours wasted. I get secret scenes are "part of the game" but then maybe don't make them so hard to find? There are also events where you need to visit X person's room on X day with X requirements (Ayane scene). It requires too many clicks to grind out the menus looking for progression paths. It's become a giant spiderweb of locks and requirements that aren't easily presented to the player. There is also nothing to tell you "hey, don't view this totally unrelated secret scene because it'll progress the game and you don't have enough lust with X character yet!".

Then there was the terminal in the newest update. I spent 4 hours on it figuring out the stuff, googling, searching discord, and finally I figured it out. I didn't feel rewarded. I felt relieved. This experience honestly might make me stop supporting the game for a bit - not because of the puzzle - but because you insist on not sharing the answers to people who ask for them. It seems they get deleted off discord and this forum when posted. Not everyone has good memory or wants to spend hours figuring out a puzzle. You wrote the game, obviously the answers seem obvious to you but there's no reason for REQUIRED secret events and answers to be so hush hush. It's a hentai VN game.

The game itself is amazing outside of this, so I am torn. I really hope the game does not keep going this direction. I think something that would be a HUGE help is greying out events you can't access yet due to missing requirements. That way you can easily see what events you should be working towards.
Selebus is correct in that this is more a game with porn than a porn game like the majority of games on this site. I mean, of course he is, it is his game, but it had to be said.

As for greying out events, that would only make the entire list grey until the requirements for an event are met, which would then snowball into several others having been met. It would be a waste of time to implement that.

I actually like this game not only for its amazing writing, but BECAUSE it makes me beat my head against a wall for hours trying to figure things out. I absolutely love challenge, the harder it is, the better. Giving up isn't even something I'm capable of anymore, I just keep going until either the game gives or my machine does, which has never happened. I'm just that stubborn.

I wouldn't call him a wannabe. It's definitely a real critique and I get where he's coming from. But that's a standpoint I knew would exist the second I placed the first secret behind a door that wasn't even open yet.

And then again when I hid another mandatory event in an option no one would have any reason to ever click.

And then tested those same people to make sure they were listening or doing as they were told.

Things like this, things that some people hate, are exactly what other people love about the game.
Indeed, there will always be people who don't like your work, you can't please everybody.

2nd Update is nearly there, now I have to use every fiber of my being to bring myself to play that latest update...

I WILL PLAY THIS GAME AFTER THIS 2ND UPDATE GETS RELEASED, THIS I SWEAR!!!
I'm going to stop myself from playing using Oblivion's save this time. I am going to take my punishment like the bad homie I am and restart in a timeline where I still have a shot. I WILL NOT do as my homie asks me not to and I WILL write everything that seems important down, with old fashioned pen and paper if I must, though I don't have to because Notepad exists.

Lucky me, I just got my latest Windows update last night, so Microsoft won't be interrupting my experience.

I will be doing as much as I can in one sitting with breaks as necessary and I will run a stopwatch to see how long a proper run from start to finish takes down to the hundredth of a second. I'll report back with my time when it is done.

Praise Be! to you all and good luck to all of you in the coming update. I look forward to seeing What Selebus has in store for us. I'm restless with anticipation right now, I can't wait. If you don't hear from me for a while, which isn't exdactly uncommon, I'm in the middle of my reset.

(christmasyay.mp3, that's the really upbeat Christmas music with bells on the percussion part through most of the song, has been playing in my head while typing this declaration, so it sounds way more epic to me than it normally would without)
 

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(christmasyay.mp3, that's the really upbeat Christmas music with bells on the percussion part through most of the song, has been playing in my head while typing this declaration, so it sounds way more epic to me than it normally would without)
I never play with sounds on any VN I've played...
 

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You should.
Lemme guess, the "happy scenes" will have peaceful BGMs playing like distorted sounds or something to make it even more peaceful?

I will try to, but I must wait for the 2nd update...
I WILL BRING MYSELF TO PLAY IT, THIS I SWEAR!!!
 

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I think the christmas check does not work because the winter outfits are visible from the very start of the game ( I started another new game in 12p1 ).


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Yeah, I've posted about it a few times but that's something I'm not really intending to change. The dorm boards are updated every single update and creating second versions of all of them would with different clothes would just take way too long when that time could be better used on other things for the game. The names on the boards are already non-canonical so I don't think it's a huge deal.
 

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Hail dev, I've been wonderin' about what if we use the same name on all of 'em to trigger some unique reactions like
"only -name- will know this name of mine" kind of reaction
 

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I believe the wiki has a page dedicated fully to the different names and the reactions they trigger
Oh well, I guess the nickname Hope is out of the list!!!
Oh well, I guess the nickname Hope is out of the list!!!
Oh well, I guess the nickname Hope is out of the list!!!

Oh well, I guess the nickname Hope is out of the list!!!
Oh well, I guess the nickname Hope is out of the list!!!

Oh well, I gues-
 
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