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I also added ! indicators next to the names of girls with available events ...
There's one last remaining step to reach perfection - hint for each girl where to look for next event. I don't know how difficult it would be, but I can dream. Never again wandering around and looking for something happen.
 

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FINALLY finished all the updates. someone has probably already beat me to this one, know I thought this one up with no shred of evidence for it a while back, that is till playing through these last 4 updates all in one sitting today.
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True, no game is completed without that factor, there's a feeling of grief and regret somehow, like trying your best to make somebody like you.



You seem to express a lot of feelings and opinions whenever you reply to someone. And that's wholesome :sneaky:
There's a lot to express when it comes to this game.

I think you are being overly harsh to her. She is probably a lot sweeter when talking to someone who didn't suddenly vanish and crash her life and then annoyed her every time they met afterwards. Also, her and Sensei's attitudes play off each other perfectly, which makes everything better.
Her intro event screamed stereotypical celebrity type. I'm not talking about her interactions with player Sensei, he kind of earned those with his antics.

Are you for real? Did you read what I wrote or are you just trying to reply to as many posts as you can?

I'm talking about the noon and evening selection screens on the weekend. If that's the colour of snow then you must be buried 20 meters deep in it.
They don't need to change, either, and it was my mistake. I was referring to the evening weekday screens, which are automatically outside the school where the snow is plainly visible. I forget when I replied time wise, but it was probably early morning, I tend to only get time on here around then with some excpetions, and I am in no way a morning person. It was probably a case of my brain not being fully awake and not interpreting what I read correctly.

Perhaps Alex was the mystery buried under our feet.
You never know :devilish:

Well, I didn't expect it to end happily, I just hoped that the ending wasn't the same, Because after I finished doki doki literature club, I cried because I couldn't help but feel my heartbreak after realizing what Monika was feeling. And if the game also has "Monika" I'm afraid I can't help but cry too

Well I think this game also has "Monika" in it, I just don't want her to have the same fate as in the literature club game doki doki.

Even so, whatever the ending, I will always support this game :)
I don't really see any of the characters as a "Monika" type, not even the ones that seem to have some sort of connection to the resets. Monika is somewhat possessive and is actively trying to get the other girls out of the way, neither Noriko or Maya are doing that. Maya is only taking a passive role by warning player Sensei and Noriko is just going after him at every opportunity without doing anything about the other girls. There is no character actively trying to get rid of the competition, though if my theory about Noriko being behind the jump at the beginning is correct, she may very well be a "Monika" hiding in plain sight.

Ok, that's hilarious.
But yeah, probably just misread or something, he cares for the game, too. So no need to get upset.

And you're right, what's up with all the black screens ?
It was indeed, probably time related. I probably read that and thought it was referring to the one at the school, which does have snow, as a result of exhaustion mixed with insomnia so bad that nothing is helping. Stranger things have happened.

Let's hope so, I can not stand anymore if I have to face an ending like DDLC, it's sad for me

Well, I don't want to be given hints or anything like that, the more I don't know the ending is getting better (even if at the end we'll have a tragic ending)

After all, it's useless for us to think what the ending will be like, in the previous version (before Selebus added date of birth feature) I tried to guess what the ending of the Lessons in Love game story would be, but it seemed useless because I only understand a little of the whole story.

By the way let's stop the discussion to predict the ending of the game's story, I'm afraid this will be considered annoying for some people
I don't see how and if it is annoying, they should speak up. We can't know it is annoying unless they do. This place has been used as a place for theorizing from day one and there has been no complaints about the theories. I'd say they are fine as they are, including ending theories, as long as people make sure it is worded to distinguish it from discussion about actual events. Otherwise people might get confused and take a theory as something that happened in game. Example, I usually mention that I have a theory before actually stating what it is. This has no effect on the actual game, there are no spoilers in the theories because none of it has happened and it is unlikely any of them actually will. It would honestly take a miracle to guess what Selebus has in store correctly, he is very unpredictable in his writing, which is actually not a bad thing.

I've updated vehemental's table version of my mod to 0.15.0p2:

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I moved some of the text around to make space for Nodoka and Otoha (and in preparation for Touka and Yasu) and made it more compact. I also added ! indicators next to the names of girls with available events and stats for main and happy events on the side. I don't know how useful this will be, but I also added a tracker visible during Chapter 1 showing how many of the 278 events required for beginning Chapter 2 you've seen (or missed).

This mod will cause releases earlier than 0.15.0p2 to crash.
It looks good, though it is a bit hard to see Yuki's stats. A product of her name color and the background, of course.

I love the game and the girls but the MC he has no feeling he doesn't give two shits he's boring and kinda cold all he freaking cares about is how to get in the girls pants he doesn't give two shits about what they like or don't like he says that many times we just have an MC that doesn't care for any of that why do we have to go through with it why can't we get an option to just fuck them like the MC wants he's not looking for a wife or gf he just wants to get his dick wet and move on to the next girl till hes fuck them all and then he's done
like i said like the game the bit of story the girls just MC is not my fav
okay MC does have his moments but hes still a bit of a prick
That's the way he's supposed to be, a cold, unfeeling, asshole. You're not supposed to feel for him, you're not supposed to put yourself in his shoes, you're supposed to hate his guts, feel disgusted with his thought process, his reasoning. There is no option to just fuck because this isn't that kind of game, but for a more story related reason, he is more likely to shoot himself in the foot by trying to fuck them on sight than he is to actually get to fuck them. Each girl has their own personality with their own willingness to engage in sexual conduct. Some are more willing than others, Kirin, while the rest are either not into him (Rin), aren't ready for that step (pretty much every girl I haven't named that hasn't gotten fucked), or hate his guts (Yumi). He's cold and unfeeling toward the girls, not stupid. He knows when not to make a move in order to get closer for the killing blow. This is a girl's school right now, girl's schools tend to be hotbeds of gossip and bad rumors spread like wildfire in a dry forest in California. Bad rumors would end his sexual activity instantly either by alerting another teacher, like Wakana, which would be immediate termination of employment, or by making every other student in the school wary of him. They would all be scared of him and wouldn't let him anywhere near them. Both of these are game over scenarios.

tbh i almost gave up on playing because MC wanted to RAPE one of his students Yumi and i dont like that stuff even iif its just a thought
I'm not sure I remember a desire to rape, he's not that stupid, she'd kick his ass and tell everyone else what happened, ending everything in one fell swoop. I DO, however, remember the forced kiss that he himself was also forced into by some unseen force.

That is literally the point lmao.
He’s his own character. You don’t get those options because they wouldn’t make any sense at all.
Exactly, the only way they would make sense is as a game over. He tries to force a girl, she either resists violently, tells everyone else after the fact, or both, and his life and career are effectively over. Not even the older side characters would let him touch them after that. Hell, I already don't want him anywhere near me and I would be ready to launch a crusade on his ass if he so much as laid a finger on one of the girls to force them into something by his own will.

getting to know the girls dont make sense either if the MC just wants to fuck and Rape fuck and rape
It's so they drop their guard, let him in, fall for him, so they are more pliable and willing. A willing sex partner is much easier to deal with AND be able to move on to the next girl than a rape victim.

well fuck... now I feel like I'm going to have to go deeper into a porn game than I ever really wanted to:ROFLMAO: to justify why the MC is such a well thought out protag or just a perfect one that selebus lucked into making.

aside from horror elements there are black comedy elements to this game and the MC's outlook is one of them to me, as he comes off as the personification of the annoying ass people in the forums that whine about not enough sex scenes and not giving two shits about the story elements of the game and is only going through the "game" to get to the end result of the sex scene. He is a bit more developed than that (reciting poetry about sidewalks and other shit, misquoting famous authors, and a vapid moral nihilist).

part of the comedy to me is that the MC is a moral nihilist stuck in a world that has proven itself to be the representation of metaphysical nihilism made manifest through the God and complete interconnected system that was described in one of the happy events where everyone is just being controlled by a singular entity. Not many would dig deeper to find the comedy in that but the idea that a moral relativist with the outlook of none of his actions even mattering stuck in a system god where each of his actions are predetermined is hilarious in a horrifying way... almost makes me think of the movie The Truman Show despite not being the same thing at all
Well, now that you mention it, I do see the connection with the 'black comedy' part about the people in the forums. Intended or not, that's actually pretty funny.

Sel won't release it until the 14th or 15th (14th if he decides to drop it early again). However, certain unscrupulous individuals have been known to leak versions early, so that might happen...

(Just as a side note: please, if you're in a position to leak the game, don't. Sel needs money and he gets way more patreon subscribers/release if the game doesn't get leaked apparently. Saying that, if someone does I'm totally gonna play it cos I'm a weak-willed hypocrite.)
As an admitted pirate, I second this sentiment. He needs the money and this game is worth more than the minimum he's asking for to subscribe. I won't hold it against the leakers, but I am not in favor of that outcome.

Same tho thats how I found this game when v0.10.0 part 2 was leaked here
It's how I found it on day one and how I started playing it before he earned my support, he's surpassed that at this point, I'm just trying to crunch some numbers and see what I can do to raise it, which can take some time with all the things going on with me IRL.

Tbh the MC is giving me mixed signal. Sometime he does Care, but in his own way, sometime the hinge just goes off and shit happen, then combine with his random disconnect to his own body that lead to sudden timeskip/happy event. I still cant get a grasp to how the MC actual thought process.
He's in a process of metamorphosis induced by being around the girls, but at the same time, there is another external influence trying to turn him into even more of an ass if not an outright criminal. We just don't know who or what this outside influence is.

For all I know. Mc could just be a 1 0 binary bot that's created by alien to take over the world. MYSTERY *wink*
That theory has been thrown around, though I think Kaori was the target instead last time. Who knows what is going on, honestly. I'm getting a better read on the girls than I am on him.

FINALLY finished all the updates. someone has probably already beat me to this one, know I thought this one up with no shred of evidence for it a while back, that is till playing through these last 4 updates all in one sitting today.
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I'm not so sure on her relation, I do think she had some sort of relationship prior to the story, but my best guess is they had a romantic relationship, not a familial one. Furthermore, I believe Noriko to have been the reason for the game's events in the first place. My theory is that she got in the way of old Sensei and Maya in a deadly way, or at least it was supposed to be deadly. He survived and Maya realizes that he isn't the same and acts cold to him for that reason, because it is not the same person. Noriko doesn't, however, which is why her intro plays out like it does. She only realizes that the relationship between Maya and what I now refer to as player Sensei is over. She still thinks the man she tried to kill is there, just with no memory of the relationship she tried to end by force, and as a result, she's trying to take him agressively in a sexual blitzkrieg before he can either regain his memory or reestablish a relationship with someone else on the same level he had before. That's my theory, anyway.
 

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I just started playing, are there no sound effects or voice sounds during h-scenes? All I hear is music. My sound settings aren't muted either.
 

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FINALLY finished all the updates. someone has probably already beat me to this one, know I thought this one up with no shred of evidence for it a while back, that is till playing through these last 4 updates all in one sitting today.
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Maybe you missed the event baby finches

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Tbh the MC is giving me mixed signal. Sometime he does Care, but in his own way, sometime the hinge just goes off and shit happen, then combine with his random disconnect to his own body that lead to sudden timeskip/happy event. I still cant get a grasp to how the MC actual thought process.
I think hes just learning. Growing, if you want. Like a tree maybe ツ
 
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Her intro event screamed stereotypical celebrity type. I'm not talking about her interactions with player Sensei, he kind of earned those with his antics.
Not really. Her intro event was almost entirely interactions with Sensei, with her being somewhat rude to the filming crew only after their sudden reunion, which understandably unbalanced her. She even interrupts her rant for a second to inquire whether Ami is alright.
 

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I don't see how and if it is annoying, they should speak up. We can't know it is annoying unless they do. This place has been used as a place for theorizing from day one and there has been no complaints about the theories. I'd say they are fine as they are, including ending theories, as long as people make sure it is worded to distinguish it from discussion about actual events. Otherwise people might get confused and take a theory as something that happened in game. Example, I usually mention that I have a theory before actually stating what it is. This has no effect on the actual game, there are no spoilers in the theories because none of it has happened and it is unlikely any of them actually will. It would honestly take a miracle to guess what Selebus has in store correctly, he is very unpredictable in his writing, which is actually not a bad thing.
Well, if we write A LOT of theories then by the law of probability one of it must be true
 

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Although DDLC is the most mainstream (and thus, widely known) denpa game, there are quite a few others in the genre. When asked about influences, recommendations for other denpa games, and the like, Selebus has never even mentioned DDLC. I highly doubt it will have the same ending.

Of course, only Selebus can say for sure, and I highly doubt he's gonna give any hints about the ending here.
I am really curious now, what are the influences / recommendations for other denpa games ? Cause the only ones I know are DDLC, totono, higurashi and subahibi, and I would like more in this genre.
 

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I am really curious now, what are the influences / recommendations for other denpa games ? Cause the only ones I know are DDLC, totono, higurashi and subahibi, and I would like more in this genre.
I personally don't play a lot of denpa games, but here are some posts by Selebus about it:
Cross Channel is one of my favorite games and Taichi was definitely a big influence on how I approached Sensei!
I've only played like three Western VNs so all of my recommendations will be for Japanese ones (But don't worry, they're all translated).
Some of my favorites in this same genre are:

(Game literally changed my life and gave me the motivation I needed to start writing again)
(More character drama/time-loop stuff with another protagonist who is also a horrible person)
(NTR Warning for this one. GREAT game in terms of fourth wall breaks with a sub-focus on religion)
There are more, but they're buried in long responses to other users. I recommend using the search feature in this thread to look for "recommend" and "influence" as two separate searches.
 

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It looks good, though it is a bit hard to see Yuki's stats. A product of her name color and the background, of course.
Yeah, Io's not great either. And Yasu seems to have been assigned white as her text color (based on her introductory appearance) so obviously something will have to be done to accommodate that.

ETA:
I tried adding outlines to Io, Touka, Yasu, and Yuki's names to improve readability, but I'm not entirely sold on the result:
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Would you say "boobies" if I asked you why ?
If I were being overly reductive and was too lazy to explain further, yes, but its more than that. I really adore her for the 'come out of a self-isolation for the sake of love" trope. This is why it will constantly be towing the line between Futaba and Sana for me.
 

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I'm not so sure on her relation, I do think she had some sort of relationship prior to the story, but my best guess is they had a romantic relationship, not a familial one. Furthermore, I believe Noriko to have been the reason for the game's events in the first place. My theory is that she got in the way of old Sensei and Maya in a deadly way, or at least it was supposed to be deadly. He survived and Maya realizes that he isn't the same and acts cold to him for that reason, because it is not the same person. Noriko doesn't, however, which is why her intro plays out like it does. She only realizes that the relationship between Maya and what I now refer to as player Sensei is over. She still thinks the man she tried to kill is there, just with no memory of the relationship she tried to end by force, and as a result, she's trying to take him agressively in a sexual blitzkrieg before he can either regain his memory or reestablish a relationship with someone else on the same level he had before. That's my theory, anyway.
a couple of things that just seem off with your theory,
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Maybe you missed the event baby finches

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I think hes just learning. Growing, if you want. Like a tree maybe ツ
I did not miss baby finches, I am heavily implying they had an incestuous relationship(which is what resulted in the world breaking), and the relationship mentioned by noriko is never fully clarified as what KIND of relationship she was jealous of considering maya was 6 and sensei was like 15-17 when he walked out of noriko's life... current sensei seems to have the moral compass to hit that regardless but older versions of him have been portrayed as much more... thoughtful and far less skevy than that. The biggest fault in my theory to me is needing an explanation for Maya's last name.
 
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I'm not so sure on her relation, I do think she had some sort of relationship prior to the story, but my best guess is they had a romantic relationship, not a familial one. Furthermore, I believe Noriko to have been the reason for the game's events in the first place. My theory is that she got in the way of old Sensei and Maya in a deadly way, or at least it was supposed to be deadly. He survived and Maya realizes that he isn't the same and acts cold to him for that reason, because it is not the same person. Noriko doesn't, however, which is why her intro plays out like it does. She only realizes that the relationship between Maya and what I now refer to as player Sensei is over. She still thinks the man she tried to kill is there, just with no memory of the relationship she tried to end by force, and as a result, she's trying to take him agressively in a sexual blitzkrieg before he can either regain his memory or reestablish a relationship with someone else on the same level he had before. That's my theory, anyway.
a couple of things that just seem off with your theory,
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I did not miss baby finches, I am heavily implying they had an incestuous relationship(which is what resulted in the world breaking), and the relationship mentioned by noriko is never fully clarified as what KIND of relationship she was jealous of considering maya was 6 and sensei was like 15-17 when he walked out of noriko's life... current sensei seems to have the moral compass to hit that regardless but older versions of him have been portrayed as much more... thoughtful and far less skevy than that. The biggest fault in my theory to me is needing an explanation for Maya's last name.
Hm ok. Sorry but i dont see them being related. At least not by blood.
I dont know either how Noriko might know about Sensei and Maya.
Maybe it was one of the only information she was able to gather about him. Given her personality she could be the archetype of a stalker.
 
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If im correct that Maya wants her old mentaly ill Sensei back because they were like soulmates its difficult to understand why she tries to prevent Sensei from knowing too much (the past).
I think that has something to do with Sensei getting broken every time he dives too deep into his past. That's why she tries subtle approach and goes mad when Noriko just dups lore on Sensei without any consequences.
She insinuates that new Sensei might in fact be old Sensei (with missing or messed up memories).
This much is pretty much confirmed.
And if he finds out about himself the world would end or at least Sensei gets erased out of that world or becomes a mental neutrum.
I think it's Sensei's own doing, a failsafe. He wanted to be free from whatever heavy shit was in his life and just fuck around with girls in infinite loops. His memories always lurks just beyond the surface, enough to remember tastes and have general statements like "I've always...", but dive too deep and he goes bananas.
Hm ok. Sorry but i dont see them being related. At least not by blood.
I used to think that Maya was Sensei's daughter, now I think she's a sister of a woman, that Sensei was really in love with and that eventually married a man Sensei felt deeply inferior to, his own brother. That kinda explains her attitude towards Noriko. They were in similar situations, a competitors, rivals.
 
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